AAE 737 damged?
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Ahh, so now we have a live one in cognac who works on the 737 program and can get tell us the FACTS !
Can you answer a few simple questions for us to tidy up a few loose ends and end all these nasty rumours about our beloved Qantas.
1. Was the 1st 737 aircraft so badly damaged, Boeing had to come out and supervise repairs?
2. Is VH-XMO the 1st aircraft or the second one?
3. If XMO was the first one, why isn't the second 737 flying yet?
4. If the article in the Courier Mail contained "untruths", when can we expect to see Qantas refute the story and seek a public apology?
Many thanks.
Can you answer a few simple questions for us to tidy up a few loose ends and end all these nasty rumours about our beloved Qantas.
1. Was the 1st 737 aircraft so badly damaged, Boeing had to come out and supervise repairs?
2. Is VH-XMO the 1st aircraft or the second one?
3. If XMO was the first one, why isn't the second 737 flying yet?
4. If the article in the Courier Mail contained "untruths", when can we expect to see Qantas refute the story and seek a public apology?
Many thanks.
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G'day 146. I'm sure Cognac will agree with these...
1) Nope. STC holder's responsibility.
2) 1st.
3) It's a large mod. Progressing with a few minor delays.
4) Does anyone actually read The Courier Mail?
1) Nope. STC holder's responsibility.
2) 1st.
3) It's a large mod. Progressing with a few minor delays.
4) Does anyone actually read The Courier Mail?
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Spitty, just on point #3.
3) It's a large mod. Progressing with a few minor delays.
The original maintenance schedule had the third aircraft flying in Oct 2006 & the
4th in the air by Xmas.
Minor Delays?
Any truth in the rumour that the 4th and any subsequent freighters will head offshore for conversion due to the turn time at AVV. Have heard QF are copping some hefty penalties due delivery times.
Rmm
3) It's a large mod. Progressing with a few minor delays.
The original maintenance schedule had the third aircraft flying in Oct 2006 & the
4th in the air by Xmas.
Minor Delays?
Any truth in the rumour that the 4th and any subsequent freighters will head offshore for conversion due to the turn time at AVV. Have heard QF are copping some hefty penalties due delivery times.
Rmm
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Damaged 737
Thanks Spitty!
1. The only foreigners at Avalon have been from IAI. Not a Boeing Rep. in sight.
2. There was some confusion about serial numbers but, XMO was the first one in and the first one out.
3. XMR is well on the way. Still coming to grips with the IAI paperwork. Makes QF paperwork look like state of the art stuff.
4. BAE 146, I believe your third question should be directed to David Brown from Qantas not me.
RMM, you seem to be loading the bullets! Why don't you come out and pass on the information you seem to possess.
1. The only foreigners at Avalon have been from IAI. Not a Boeing Rep. in sight.
2. There was some confusion about serial numbers but, XMO was the first one in and the first one out.
3. XMR is well on the way. Still coming to grips with the IAI paperwork. Makes QF paperwork look like state of the art stuff.
4. BAE 146, I believe your third question should be directed to David Brown from Qantas not me.
RMM, you seem to be loading the bullets! Why don't you come out and pass on the information you seem to possess.
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Cognac,
The information is freely available on the QF LAN (if you have access. If you dont any QF LAME at AVV will have.) Search the G drive for the HMPlan folder. Once there search the 2005 archives to see when the XM series entered the plan. It's all in excel format. You will see the original start & completion dates with some fat padded in on the first one for obvious reasons.
Cheers,
Rmm
The information is freely available on the QF LAN (if you have access. If you dont any QF LAME at AVV will have.) Search the G drive for the HMPlan folder. Once there search the 2005 archives to see when the XM series entered the plan. It's all in excel format. You will see the original start & completion dates with some fat padded in on the first one for obvious reasons.
Cheers,
Rmm
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Call Who?
After reading this thread and making a few calls, which by the way some of you should, I can confirm that most of you are talking sh!t. The plane is flying around servicable. No problems after departing Avalon. Work is aparently progressing well on the next two. The majority of delays I am told are resulting from the poor mod supplied by the israel.
So get your facts, yes facts, right. Rumours blah, blah, blah, remain just that.
It's easy to pick up a phone and ask. It's not such a big industry is Australia. Everyone knows someone.
I also believe the big GD is heading off to Avalon soon for a formal pat on the back for a job well done.
So get your facts, yes facts, right. Rumours blah, blah, blah, remain just that.
It's easy to pick up a phone and ask. It's not such a big industry is Australia. Everyone knows someone.
I also believe the big GD is heading off to Avalon soon for a formal pat on the back for a job well done.
HEY TORUEMAN
Pick that blower up again and strike 2. You are talking sh!t (as you would put it) Geoff Dixon wont go near avalon to congratulate the nips working ther he was quoted as saying just last week "Our freighter program is in shambles". He is apparentley very unhappy. Hence tullamarine doing the check on the next freighter before conversion. How do i know this? I made some calls.
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Well done guys
Alas we have stumbled upon some truths at Avalon.
The boys and girls who poke fingers and tell stories have alot to learn.
I know i'll cop some flak for that statement from the disgruntled, but who cares. I reakon it's great you guys are still battling on down there.
Be proud of what you're doing down there. Jobs and skills in Australia !!
If they were so proud of what they did maybe they'd be inclined to tell us ???? I bet they don't though...... Says something doesn't it.......
And one last thing....If they think cutting a massive hole in and aircraft and ripping the guts out of it is a slam bam thankyou mamm job, well they obviously don't work on planes do they? You're bound to come across some hurdles. Even hurdlers stumble and lose time. They still get up and finish the race.
Good on ya guys
The boys and girls who poke fingers and tell stories have alot to learn.
I know i'll cop some flak for that statement from the disgruntled, but who cares. I reakon it's great you guys are still battling on down there.
Be proud of what you're doing down there. Jobs and skills in Australia !!
If they were so proud of what they did maybe they'd be inclined to tell us ???? I bet they don't though...... Says something doesn't it.......
And one last thing....If they think cutting a massive hole in and aircraft and ripping the guts out of it is a slam bam thankyou mamm job, well they obviously don't work on planes do they? You're bound to come across some hurdles. Even hurdlers stumble and lose time. They still get up and finish the race.
Good on ya guys
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for those of you that dont know, avalon has introduced triplicate inspections for signing off maint due to all the f..k ups they have had...centre of excellance my ass...watch the deteriation of aircraft flying around australia when melb heavy gets shut down in 2 weeks...should compile a list of the problems that have come out of avalon....might be an interesting read for many of you...
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Geee whizz, what an operation..we have drama with the aeroplanes, then we have the only pilots in the QF group to be on AWA's getting paid ****e...A real career path here.....flying for a start up freight operation that uses clapped out 73's and on low paid AWA's, bet the guys that went there are singing the praise of the operation...oh , but hang on, you guys were promised in the interview you will be flying 747's in three years...yeah right!
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for those of you that dont know, avalon has introduced triplicate inspections for signing off maint due to all the f..k ups they have had...centre of excellance my ass...watch the deteriation of aircraft flying around australia when melb heavy gets shut down in 2 weeks...should compile a list of the problems that have come out of avalon....might be an interesting read for many of you...
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Right on Apophis that is one huge problem in some area's, heard it was explained (damaged 737) that a common term of it was dropped off jacks was taken that the machine was dropped onto ground ,but the term was actually a saying that as older people would realise that it is a term for progress that means it has been taken off jacks and is on it's own undercarriage.
A few would take the wrong view and hey presto the rumor mill is up and running. Lots of duplicates being done yep that is not a good sign that the quality side is a bit lacking but I believe that too is being controlled but as Apophis stated the Qantas system was forced upon the guy's and Gal's down that way and makes you wonder how good the imports are.
Right on Apophis that is one huge problem in some area's, heard it was explained (damaged 737) that a common term of it was dropped off jacks was taken that the machine was dropped onto ground ,but the term was actually a saying that as older people would realise that it is a term for progress that means it has been taken off jacks and is on it's own undercarriage.
A few would take the wrong view and hey presto the rumor mill is up and running. Lots of duplicates being done yep that is not a good sign that the quality side is a bit lacking but I believe that too is being controlled but as Apophis stated the Qantas system was forced upon the guy's and Gal's down that way and makes you wonder how good the imports are.
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Why would you do medical, psych test and sim at your own expense to work on one of the crappiest AWA's I've ever seen? As Pete Conrad says - old aircraft and flying around in the middle of the night and................it's ALL night flying!
Qantas - you are really scrapeing the bottom of the barrel for employer/employee relations.
You're a disgrace
Qantas - you are really scrapeing the bottom of the barrel for employer/employee relations.
You're a disgrace
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Why would you do medical, psych test and sim at your own expense to work on one of the crappiest AWA's I've ever seen?
Why would you do medical, psych test and sim at your own expense to work on one of the crappiest AWA's I've ever seen?
It's called supply and demand, and, no one is looking out for their interests, so, quite understandably they're looking out for their own.
One has to hand it to Dixon, he's got pilots by the short and curlies.
Given the sledging that people get on this BB when they accept what's on offer, rather than wait for the holy QF grail to come home to roost, it's my opinion that the days of the QF god are numbered and some of the sledgers might want to show some empathy now, because there's a good chance they'll be looking for it some time in the future.
Just ask the career AN drivers how security of employment in aviation works.
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Capt Claret I am the only one looking after my terms and conditions. If there is an abundance of pilots down in Oz then fair enough, QF will exploit them to the hilt. I was under the impression that a shortage of crew exists as it does overseas and (that being the case) couldn't understand how QF could sell such a package. I never meant to sledge you or your job.
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if they can,t supervise there people they should bring it up with the those that run the place if they just sit back and say nothing it just goes on then they end up looking after 30 people just signing stuff to keep the peace just don,t work.
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Speaking to one of my best mates the other day... he met a 21 year old who apparently is just finishing his endorsement on type and starts with EFA very soon. There was mention of him being a cadet of some sort... don't know whether or not that implies QF Cadet
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i got a email from one of my mates in aae last week and it seems there is more to this than meets the eye.......i have deleted and edited for brevity and relevance.................
looks like dicko could have stuffed this one up...........plenty of work up here with cx freight if anyone wants a job............
Buon giorno *******,
Thank you for your hospitality on our recent
On the work front, things are more chaotic now than they were just after the Ansett collapse. They still havent found a replacement for Bucks (who we have since found out, stuck it to Qantas re the 727 replacement) after they sacked him and we have been without a CEO for some time now The 737 program I was telling you about has been nothing short of a disaster and may well turn out to be one of the greatest corporate decision f**k ups in QF history
We were told that EFA (Express Freighters Australia read QF or Express F**K up Again!) would have four 737s up and running by the end of December . They only have one and that has to be helped out every second night with a couple of Metros down to Tassie because it cant carry the load. We were told they dropped the first one and wrote it off and because they are taking more care with the next three our four may not be up and running by March 07. Meanwhile, NJS are selling the 727s so we may not have them in the New Year either. I have heard that Australia Post are not happy with the situation and if they bail out, we shall all be looking for a new job.
Its a cock up of mammoth proportion but I still have our lotto numbers in every week end!........................................................ ............................................................ .......
Thank you for your hospitality on our recent
On the work front, things are more chaotic now than they were just after the Ansett collapse. They still havent found a replacement for Bucks (who we have since found out, stuck it to Qantas re the 727 replacement) after they sacked him and we have been without a CEO for some time now The 737 program I was telling you about has been nothing short of a disaster and may well turn out to be one of the greatest corporate decision f**k ups in QF history
We were told that EFA (Express Freighters Australia read QF or Express F**K up Again!) would have four 737s up and running by the end of December . They only have one and that has to be helped out every second night with a couple of Metros down to Tassie because it cant carry the load. We were told they dropped the first one and wrote it off and because they are taking more care with the next three our four may not be up and running by March 07. Meanwhile, NJS are selling the 727s so we may not have them in the New Year either. I have heard that Australia Post are not happy with the situation and if they bail out, we shall all be looking for a new job.
Its a cock up of mammoth proportion but I still have our lotto numbers in every week end!........................................................ ............................................................ .......