Air Nelson to get additional 4 aircraft
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2001
Location: NZ
Posts: 656
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Air Nelson to get additional 4 aircraft
Heard a rumour about the above, Q300 fleet to 21? to start new south island destinations.
Anyone else to add/confirm??
S2K
Anyone else to add/confirm??
S2K
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NZ
Posts: 835
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I don't think it's a rumour, it was apparently in the business section of the Herald the other day, I didn't see it though.
This doesn't really come as a suprise, it's been in the pipelines for some time. Now will they get the other 16
This doesn't really come as a suprise, it's been in the pipelines for some time. Now will they get the other 16
???
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: .
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Four more Dash 8 Q300's have been confirmed to take the fleet to 21. The five year plan was to have an additional five aircraft, two of the extra four planes were to take up the slack that Origin left behind. So only two of these planes fit into the five year plan, the other two were just gimme's from Origin's demise. At this stage they will operate 21 aircraft but want to operate 24 by the time the Dash 8 introduction is complete.
Yes, One oil company pulls out of NZMC, and takes all the equipment with them, leaving nothing but mini tankers...
Pioneer have scored a contract with a UK based tour company to fly pax from NZMC to NZCH (or elsewhere), with tours coming through the area usually every second or third day. So the big tanks maybe just for a Convair??
Plus with NZUK not an option (due to minimum runway widths not being enough to carry a DHC-8) if NZMC gets those good strong Westerlies the MacKenzie country gets (87kts recorded on the ground around that area about 2 to 3 weeks ago). Its certainly not like the good old Mt Cook days with 748s flying in and out of there...
If anyone was going to look into something like that, you might want to fly something a tad smaller first, then move into the DHC8-300s...
Pioneer have scored a contract with a UK based tour company to fly pax from NZMC to NZCH (or elsewhere), with tours coming through the area usually every second or third day. So the big tanks maybe just for a Convair??
Plus with NZUK not an option (due to minimum runway widths not being enough to carry a DHC-8) if NZMC gets those good strong Westerlies the MacKenzie country gets (87kts recorded on the ground around that area about 2 to 3 weeks ago). Its certainly not like the good old Mt Cook days with 748s flying in and out of there...
If anyone was going to look into something like that, you might want to fly something a tad smaller first, then move into the DHC8-300s...
Heard through the grape vine that the company is Allways Pacific, they used to come from Dunedin or Queenstown up through to Mt Cook for the night, then drive back to Christchurch, but now they drive into Mt Cook and do a Scenic Flight in a Pionair Convair!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2001
Location: NZ
Posts: 656
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well the news from the Eagle Tauranga base meeting, last night, suggests that an additional Q300 will go to Tauranga at the expense of the B1900 and the crew base. Extra Q due in TG Jan/Feb 08.
Eagle crew to be redeployed to HN, aircraft unsure where that's going yet.
S2K
Eagle crew to be redeployed to HN, aircraft unsure where that's going yet.
S2K
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NZ
Posts: 835
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh dear, that doesn't sound good.
How long has it been since Eagle made compulsory postings? I would imagine the aircraft would also go to Hamilton, and take over the HN-NS and HN-PM runs that Vincent are doing. There was talk of the 18th Beach (if that ever happens) going to Hamilton.
How long has it been since Eagle made compulsory postings? I would imagine the aircraft would also go to Hamilton, and take over the HN-NS and HN-PM runs that Vincent are doing. There was talk of the 18th Beach (if that ever happens) going to Hamilton.
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: back to the land of small pay and big bills
Age: 50
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have a couple of questions.
How is it that AirNSN made such a healthy profit last year when Eagle just scraped a couple of mill together.
Why is it that Eagle crews are rushing around like blue arsed flies all day looking stressed at NZAA whereas NSN guys seem happy and relaxed? Eagle have way more takeoffs and landings and some poor guy/girl is constantly going out to do a check ride with a very serious looking training captain. (when will they admit that a sim will save them big money?)
How can the managment justify a 4 day interview process. Who can afford to transport themselves to HN for 4 days off work to prove that they are gods gift to aviation? Why do those new hires for NSN always include a couple of Eagle drivers?
Is the grass really that much greener? (those q300s are really nice up front too)
How is it that AirNSN made such a healthy profit last year when Eagle just scraped a couple of mill together.
Why is it that Eagle crews are rushing around like blue arsed flies all day looking stressed at NZAA whereas NSN guys seem happy and relaxed? Eagle have way more takeoffs and landings and some poor guy/girl is constantly going out to do a check ride with a very serious looking training captain. (when will they admit that a sim will save them big money?)
How can the managment justify a 4 day interview process. Who can afford to transport themselves to HN for 4 days off work to prove that they are gods gift to aviation? Why do those new hires for NSN always include a couple of Eagle drivers?
Is the grass really that much greener? (those q300s are really nice up front too)
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2001
Location: NZ
Posts: 656
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Matty J,
I think you'll find that Eagle has always made a $2-3M profit and that is pretty much standard with the exception of the last 3 or so years when the budget was cleared of fleet replacement costs and prior to major engine overhauls and heavy maint schedules kicking in. I think the last 2 or 3 years the profit was around $9-11M, but the forcast with fuel increases and overhauls and heavy maint has dropped that to just $2M or thereabouts.
Who knows about the 4 day process?? maybe we're just keeping 1 day ahead of Air Nelson and Mt. Cook who are themselves moving to 2 and 3 day interviews.
Eagle has traditionally been, for the most part, a stepping stone company with employees looking to move on to bigger machines and locations with required lifestyle so there's nothing new there either.
As for the sim question, eagle only does 2 checks a day, monday to friday and the odd check on the weekends at bases where a C&T Capt is based and an aircraft is available ( WR Sat afternoons and Sunday mornings, WB Sunday mornings etc) Getting a sim for 3 hours a day utilisation is not a business case to be won, but there are plans in progress, just don't expect there to be a full motion cat D simulator in another port-a-com annex at the HLZ headquarters soon.
S2K
I think you'll find that Eagle has always made a $2-3M profit and that is pretty much standard with the exception of the last 3 or so years when the budget was cleared of fleet replacement costs and prior to major engine overhauls and heavy maint schedules kicking in. I think the last 2 or 3 years the profit was around $9-11M, but the forcast with fuel increases and overhauls and heavy maint has dropped that to just $2M or thereabouts.
Who knows about the 4 day process?? maybe we're just keeping 1 day ahead of Air Nelson and Mt. Cook who are themselves moving to 2 and 3 day interviews.
Eagle has traditionally been, for the most part, a stepping stone company with employees looking to move on to bigger machines and locations with required lifestyle so there's nothing new there either.
As for the sim question, eagle only does 2 checks a day, monday to friday and the odd check on the weekends at bases where a C&T Capt is based and an aircraft is available ( WR Sat afternoons and Sunday mornings, WB Sunday mornings etc) Getting a sim for 3 hours a day utilisation is not a business case to be won, but there are plans in progress, just don't expect there to be a full motion cat D simulator in another port-a-com annex at the HLZ headquarters soon.
S2K
Join Date: May 2002
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 347
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I guess re: TG there may not be the need for an 18th Beech now, who knows? And Yeap, the consensusis that the HN guys will take over what vincent do already with NS, PM etc. Only 2008 will tell.
Further to S2K's comments, I think you will find its big brother that wants the loss making sectors to go ahead to get the punters on a more profitable connection. Dont know for certain but think youll find its 50/50 as to which sectors are the ones making vs loosing the $$$. As soon as they become a gold mine the Beech will pull out and a Dash or Saab will take over and the Beech will look for a new run, Wanganui - Wellies to be next im told.
Further to S2K's comments, I think you will find its big brother that wants the loss making sectors to go ahead to get the punters on a more profitable connection. Dont know for certain but think youll find its 50/50 as to which sectors are the ones making vs loosing the $$$. As soon as they become a gold mine the Beech will pull out and a Dash or Saab will take over and the Beech will look for a new run, Wanganui - Wellies to be next im told.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NZ
Posts: 835
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
mattyj
It is difficult to make large profits with a fleet of 19 seat aircraft, what you have to look at (and the reason for Eagle's existence) is the impact on the group as a whole. As flyby_kiwi pointed out, 50% of Eagle's sectors run at a loss, but it is Air New Zealand who decides where we fly. It's all about providing a feeder service.
When routes are running close to capacity and making a good profit (like AA-TG) they get taken off us and given to a bigger aircraft (makes sense) so it is a constant struggle to turn a profit. I'm not saying any of this is wrong, it is the way things have to work.
With respect to your statement on the demeanour of Eagle crews operating out of AKL, I think most of us (while very busy) are still pretty happy. Of course being last in line for service on the ramp (not from fuelies of course) can quickly put you in a bad mood. There are plenty of us who are not dead set on moving any time soon.
That's my view anyway. Cheers.
It is difficult to make large profits with a fleet of 19 seat aircraft, what you have to look at (and the reason for Eagle's existence) is the impact on the group as a whole. As flyby_kiwi pointed out, 50% of Eagle's sectors run at a loss, but it is Air New Zealand who decides where we fly. It's all about providing a feeder service.
When routes are running close to capacity and making a good profit (like AA-TG) they get taken off us and given to a bigger aircraft (makes sense) so it is a constant struggle to turn a profit. I'm not saying any of this is wrong, it is the way things have to work.
With respect to your statement on the demeanour of Eagle crews operating out of AKL, I think most of us (while very busy) are still pretty happy. Of course being last in line for service on the ramp (not from fuelies of course) can quickly put you in a bad mood. There are plenty of us who are not dead set on moving any time soon.
That's my view anyway. Cheers.
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Dog Box
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Eagle have a 4 day interveiw process because they want the best of the best of the best... with honours... sir...
Lets not forget it is the most sophisticated turboprop in the country...
Nsn seem to find a little half hour chat is enough get the good chaps (and chapesses).
Lets not forget it is the most sophisticated turboprop in the country...
Nsn seem to find a little half hour chat is enough get the good chaps (and chapesses).
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: back to the land of small pay and big bills
Age: 50
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you can show you have 3 or more re-entries (preferably hand flown) the candidate may go straight through to the simulator course in Toronto. Of course a Moon landing will ensure a Direct entry command shot!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Where the beer is cold and the weather is colder.
Posts: 268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Eagle sim check does'nt sound like its anyting too drastic. a few holds, then a -4g inverted dive with a Mig-28 close enough for you to get a polariod. Although i hear its an instant fail if you dont catch the #3 wire on landing.
I heard that Origin accounted for about 8% of the regional market. Im sure AirNSN could have easily swallowed this capacity, not that im complaining. Heres hoping they get another 4!
I heard that Origin accounted for about 8% of the regional market. Im sure AirNSN could have easily swallowed this capacity, not that im complaining. Heres hoping they get another 4!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Just visiting
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ah good to see little bro (eagle) is always getting the shafting from big bro and fellow pilots (mainly air NSN ).
Good luck to the TG based guys, they are all good buggers and I sincererly hope they don't close that base down.
The only thing I do agree with here is that a 4 day interview is way overboard. Management need to have a serious look at what its achieving. GA guys and girls can't afford much in life let alone take a week off work fork out for accomodation and travel ect. I know management in Hamilton are a sensible bunch but this decission is a poor one. Time for a rethink
).Good luck to the TG based guys, they are all good buggers and I sincererly hope they don't close that base down.
The only thing I do agree with here is that a 4 day interview is way overboard. Management need to have a serious look at what its achieving. GA guys and girls can't afford much in life let alone take a week off work fork out for accomodation and travel ect. I know management in Hamilton are a sensible bunch but this decission is a poor one. Time for a rethink
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NZ
Posts: 835
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What a load of ****e. There's no sim even used these days. The only reason it's over four days is that they couldn't fit the various exercises for 10 people into less time.
Everyone's quick to judge when a bunch of new F/Os don't make it through line training, but heaven forbid the company should try to do something proactive and work on the preselection.
All the guys I've talked to off the last round said they had a blast going up for a blat in the plane, and I think if most of us think back to that stage in our careers, we would have loved it too.
What about the poor Aussie pilots who not only have to fork out a few bucks to be at an interview, but pay for certain assessments, and of course $10K for a type rating.
Everyone's quick to judge when a bunch of new F/Os don't make it through line training, but heaven forbid the company should try to do something proactive and work on the preselection.
All the guys I've talked to off the last round said they had a blast going up for a blat in the plane, and I think if most of us think back to that stage in our careers, we would have loved it too.
What about the poor Aussie pilots who not only have to fork out a few bucks to be at an interview, but pay for certain assessments, and of course $10K for a type rating.