Glass is half full...
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What a pity 
... I go for a week and you can't keep the dream alive...
I understand we all have our own battles and wolves knocking at the front door but this is such a simple attitude shift which is NO COST to change !!!
FLARE THE NOSTRELS...BREATH IN DEAP... AND MAKE THAT ATTITUDE CHANGE !
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... I go for a week and you can't keep the dream alive...
I understand we all have our own battles and wolves knocking at the front door but this is such a simple attitude shift which is NO COST to change !!!
FLARE THE NOSTRELS...BREATH IN DEAP... AND MAKE THAT ATTITUDE CHANGE !
(If you don't understand my last comments, please go strait back to the first post in this thread
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I hadn't seen this but about time this was mentioned.
Top call Chocks
We all feel this problem worldwide, what he's said, just no one said it!
Seriously tell me I'm wrong, because the problem is worldwide.
Top call Chocks
We all feel this problem worldwide, what he's said, just no one said it!
Seriously tell me I'm wrong, because the problem is worldwide.
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I think ACMS might be pretty close to the mark with his comments four posts above to explain what went wrong.
But enough of those negative thoughts... anyone out there old enough to remember the halycon days of the two airline 'duopoly', when the TN and the AN F27s would provide the ONLY daily service Tennant Creek and Katherine had to Darwin or the Alice (the infamous 'Track Trip') - with both aircraft scheduled two minutes apart? (For those who think I'm joking, it was so they'd connect with the B727 services to and from the south.)
It certainly didn't happen every day, but it wasn't unheard of for the TN and AN crews to swap their junior FA for the Tennant Creek-Katherine sector, (but you made damn sure the other bloke had both his engines running before departing). The pax loved it - never heard of a single complaint - and I'm sure there must be hundreds of (thankfully not digital) photographs out there of one white uniformed trolly dolly and the other in the bright orange bumble bee outfit serving up the drinks to the Ocker's in their Fokker.
Imagine someone trying somethng like that today? Some stiched up P.C. clown would have a lawsuit slapped on the company's head office desk before the two Darts stopped whining.
But enough of those negative thoughts... anyone out there old enough to remember the halycon days of the two airline 'duopoly', when the TN and the AN F27s would provide the ONLY daily service Tennant Creek and Katherine had to Darwin or the Alice (the infamous 'Track Trip') - with both aircraft scheduled two minutes apart? (For those who think I'm joking, it was so they'd connect with the B727 services to and from the south.)
It certainly didn't happen every day, but it wasn't unheard of for the TN and AN crews to swap their junior FA for the Tennant Creek-Katherine sector, (but you made damn sure the other bloke had both his engines running before departing). The pax loved it - never heard of a single complaint - and I'm sure there must be hundreds of (thankfully not digital) photographs out there of one white uniformed trolly dolly and the other in the bright orange bumble bee outfit serving up the drinks to the Ocker's in their Fokker.
Imagine someone trying somethng like that today? Some stiched up P.C. clown would have a lawsuit slapped on the company's head office desk before the two Darts stopped whining.
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Thanks Capt_CheeseDick.
Bushy, thanks bloke: beer (keg) with me any time.
We can"t just talk about traditions and days gone bye like they're some sort of valued momentoes held in prize... we have to keep them ALIVE because they are honourable benchmarcks for many people at least... not with standing us professional pilots or this proud industry!!!
Maintain the rage fellas because some fat bastards are getting rich while we're all doing the hard yards.
Bushy, thanks bloke: beer (keg) with me any time.
We can"t just talk about traditions and days gone bye like they're some sort of valued momentoes held in prize... we have to keep them ALIVE because they are honourable benchmarcks for many people at least... not with standing us professional pilots or this proud industry!!!
Maintain the rage fellas because some fat bastards are getting rich while we're all doing the hard yards.
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My "first solo" as a skipper was on the F27 on the track trip and after we took off from TC the opposition F27 formated on me! I tried to shake him off but he followed me, all the way.........all I could think of was the DCA man in cabin! But fortunately there wasnt one. Even though I didnt think so at the time; What Fun!
Today you cant even joke about stuff like that! In fact the thought police are probably on to me already...........
I'm with you Chocks, all the way.........
Today you cant even joke about stuff like that! In fact the thought police are probably on to me already...........
I'm with you Chocks, all the way.........
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And yet the pendulum may still swing. Dare I hope and pray that one day in the hopefully not too distant future that these previously mentioned traditions of the past may yet return.
All that is needed for this to occur is, I should think, that we realise that we as a group must all start to 'hang together,' for if we do not then rest assured we shall all hang seperately!!
I'm still an optimist, the glass is definitely half full, and one day all pilots will unite and support each other..........
'You may say I'm a dreamer,
But I'm not the only one.
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one.'
J Lennon
All that is needed for this to occur is, I should think, that we realise that we as a group must all start to 'hang together,' for if we do not then rest assured we shall all hang seperately!!
I'm still an optimist, the glass is definitely half full, and one day all pilots will unite and support each other..........
'You may say I'm a dreamer,
But I'm not the only one.
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one.'
J Lennon
Hey ACMS,
Wrong buddy, life in Hong Kong is still a bit like my old days in the Territory. (Just in bigger and faster machines). Expat life here is SENSATIONAL and there are plenty of nights over the bbq smoke with a VB in hand telling old days warries. And not a mention of Dixon and his "shaft Ausies" attitude at all.
Love life, love my job, LOVE 16%tax, love the thought of retiring to Bermagui in late 40s, love not seeing Howard's ferret face on tele every night telling me how much he love Dubya, love HK bbqs wth the lads spinning warries about low level beat ups over Anurugu, love talking of the old days of chuckin' green cans around the cage bar, love standing over the dunny whilst thinking back to Miss CrockaFat at the Berrimah, and most of all - love my wife ( you never know what websites she might be trolling) - but I must say, I DON'T like the Chinese.
Seriously - HK really IS a place where all the Aussie aviation tragedies are left behind and the bbqs and social gatherings are still regular, enjoyable and fun filled.
Rodney
Wrong buddy, life in Hong Kong is still a bit like my old days in the Territory. (Just in bigger and faster machines). Expat life here is SENSATIONAL and there are plenty of nights over the bbq smoke with a VB in hand telling old days warries. And not a mention of Dixon and his "shaft Ausies" attitude at all.
Love life, love my job, LOVE 16%tax, love the thought of retiring to Bermagui in late 40s, love not seeing Howard's ferret face on tele every night telling me how much he love Dubya, love HK bbqs wth the lads spinning warries about low level beat ups over Anurugu, love talking of the old days of chuckin' green cans around the cage bar, love standing over the dunny whilst thinking back to Miss CrockaFat at the Berrimah, and most of all - love my wife ( you never know what websites she might be trolling) - but I must say, I DON'T like the Chinese.
Seriously - HK really IS a place where all the Aussie aviation tragedies are left behind and the bbqs and social gatherings are still regular, enjoyable and fun filled.
Rodney
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Do any of those hard done by, Australian pilots, who have chosen to break an IFALPA recruitment ban, get invited to those barbeques?
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So many good posts, such interesting thoughts, especially Wonghai Wed and the brown drinks........
Ah, yes, when aviation and aviators were real, good to see the tradition has migrated intact to HK.
For what it is worth, I think JD has much to answer for in this, not that he employs everyone in aviation, but there is a spreading effect from what is going on in the Q head shed.
Like someone said, in the bush, where difficult things get done, the further you are from the big smoke, the better it is, well, long live true aviators and the love of flying .............................
Ah, yes, when aviation and aviators were real, good to see the tradition has migrated intact to HK.
For what it is worth, I think JD has much to answer for in this, not that he employs everyone in aviation, but there is a spreading effect from what is going on in the Q head shed.
Like someone said, in the bush, where difficult things get done, the further you are from the big smoke, the better it is, well, long live true aviators and the love of flying .............................
Thanks bushy that's the first time I've heard a pilot give any thanks to us poor old aerodrome inspectors. Spent a heap of time in the Central Aus district, but thindgs are oh-so-different now
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well it died in 89 as a lot have said before...
but that was then and this is now!
happy to have left the mess behind and gone overseas... for me it's all worked out well.
Now the qf guys will see that they should have supported us all those years ago.
The big wheel turns slowly sometimes, but it does turn!
but that was then and this is now!
happy to have left the mess behind and gone overseas... for me it's all worked out well.
Now the qf guys will see that they should have supported us all those years ago.
The big wheel turns slowly sometimes, but it does turn!
Hey AND THEN
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1 - well done for hijacking a feel good positive thread with your negativity
2 - no ban breakers will not be invited. And I'll tell you why - because Aussie aviation is down the crapper because of @rsehole employers, and dumbarse selfish pilots who aid and abett these nazis to get their way. What is happening at KA is an attack on the conditions we have. An attack which is illegal, immoral and one which shows no respect for the guys who work damned hard to make the company profitable.
Now, if you think it is okay that guys are coming in and undermining the conditions we have here by alllowing the company to screw us then you are obviously @rsehole management in the making.
You are probably as vocal as every other other guy at the sad state of Oz flying. So why criticise guys who are trying to stop the slide. We are being shafted and we are fighting to save ourselves. Now which side are you on - fight to maintain some good that is still around, or just let our jobs go down the toilet with all the rest and turn HK into another OZ?? You can't have it both ways mate. Make up your mind.
Ban breakers assist the slide. They turn aviation into a basket case. Someone has to put up a fight and I am bloody proud that it is us.
Fight to protect - the ban exists for a very honest and ethical reason. If you were in our shoes you too would be upset by the attack by the company and you too would be fighting.
Now go away.
2 points
1 - well done for hijacking a feel good positive thread with your negativity
2 - no ban breakers will not be invited. And I'll tell you why - because Aussie aviation is down the crapper because of @rsehole employers, and dumbarse selfish pilots who aid and abett these nazis to get their way. What is happening at KA is an attack on the conditions we have. An attack which is illegal, immoral and one which shows no respect for the guys who work damned hard to make the company profitable.
Now, if you think it is okay that guys are coming in and undermining the conditions we have here by alllowing the company to screw us then you are obviously @rsehole management in the making.
You are probably as vocal as every other other guy at the sad state of Oz flying. So why criticise guys who are trying to stop the slide. We are being shafted and we are fighting to save ourselves. Now which side are you on - fight to maintain some good that is still around, or just let our jobs go down the toilet with all the rest and turn HK into another OZ?? You can't have it both ways mate. Make up your mind.
Ban breakers assist the slide. They turn aviation into a basket case. Someone has to put up a fight and I am bloody proud that it is us.
Fight to protect - the ban exists for a very honest and ethical reason. If you were in our shoes you too would be upset by the attack by the company and you too would be fighting.
Now go away.
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It certainly didn't happen every day, but it wasn't unheard of for the TN and AN crews to swap their junior FA for the Tennant Creek-Katherine sector, (but you made damn sure the other bloke had both his engines running before departing). The pax loved it - never heard of a single complaint - and I'm sure there must be hundreds of (thankfully not digital) photographs out there of one white uniformed trolly dolly and the other in the bright orange bumble bee outfit serving up the drinks to the Ocker's in their Fokker.
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Wiley,
I know (personally) of an occasion when we swapped F/Os for the return sector of a Gove - ISA - Gove flight. Imagine that today! Plus 1 hostie and 1 hairy legged one on each aircraft for the same sector.
Yep, they were good days.
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Wiley,
I know (personally) of an occasion when we swapped F/Os for the return sector of a Gove - ISA - Gove flight. Imagine that today! Plus 1 hostie and 1 hairy legged one on each aircraft for the same sector.
Yep, they were good days.
Rodney may have jumped the gun on And Then's post and gone in a bit hard. If I misread the true intent of his post -I sincerely apologise.
But the points remain for those critical of the KA ban and supportive of the ban breakers.
Rod
But the points remain for those critical of the KA ban and supportive of the ban breakers.
Rod
