AO Wetlease to takeover this QF route..
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One would hope, as a Qantas shareholder, that if Jet* Asia are going to commence operations on this route, that it would be as an adjunct to current QF mainline services. QF have a high business class load factor on this sector, many of these pax being wealthy Europeans on their way to a vacation in FNQ and northern Australia.
Wouldn't want to force all these high-yielders to make their way down to Oz on Cathay would we?
Wouldn't want to force all these high-yielders to make their way down to Oz on Cathay would we?
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I would hope as Jaded Boiler says, that it is to supplement the QF services. I would think this service would be quite profitable for QF as J class is very full 80-90% and ecy is also very full. Also there is a large ammount of cargo carried from SIN-CNS with connex to QF flights to NRT.
I don't see how Jetstar could make more profit than QF on this service as the ammounts and type of cargo carried will not fit on an A320 and QF has a high pax load. Even if the pax component of the flight is not yielding enough (is this the Pilots, FA or Ground staffs fault? No) , the cargo component should more than make up for it.
The only way Jetstar could do this would be with an A330. This may be done, who knows what they are thinking. Soon QF will only be doing circuits of SYD as they keep losing destinations to AO and Jetstar.
I don't see how Jetstar could make more profit than QF on this service as the ammounts and type of cargo carried will not fit on an A320 and QF has a high pax load. Even if the pax component of the flight is not yielding enough (is this the Pilots, FA or Ground staffs fault? No) , the cargo component should more than make up for it.
The only way Jetstar could do this would be with an A330. This may be done, who knows what they are thinking. Soon QF will only be doing circuits of SYD as they keep losing destinations to AO and Jetstar.
Joyce was in Cairns yesterday and said to the press they would like to base a widebody in that port in the future. They will look at destinations from Cairns already flown now, and maybe new ones.
so it's anyones guess.
so it's anyones guess.
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One would hope, as a Qantas shareholder, that if Jet* Asia are going to commence operations on this route, that it would be as an adjunct to current QF mainline services. QF have a high business class load factor on this sector, many of these pax being wealthy Europeans on their way to a vacation in FNQ and northern Australia.
Wouldn't want to force all these high-yielders to make their way down to Oz on Cathay would we?
Wouldn't want to force all these high-yielders to make their way down to Oz on Cathay would we?
J/C is available via DRW on QF as it always has been (whether CNS-DRW-CNS is an international or domestic flight makes little difference on a short sector)
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Sorry Twiggs. AO also had very good load factors on this sector, so perhaps this is a sector that does well with or without J class. But it could do better with J class (higher yield pax).
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Thanks rammel, that was my point. Doesn't seem to be a problem filling the aircraft, whether all C class or J/C class, so why not continue with J class availability on the route, makes more money doesn't it?
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QF still had DRW-SIN but it was then the last sector of the QF81 from ADL.
Therefore, J/C has always been available on this route via DRW, even though it meant changing to/from a domestic flight in DRW.
So if Jet* takes this route, my guess is that they will operate direct CNS-SIN as did AO.
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Clarification
Why would anything going to SIN from CNS be a JAL codeshare?
I was talking about the Japanese market ex CNS.Specifically KIX and/or NRT.
I hope that is now clear.
I was talking about the Japanese market ex CNS.Specifically KIX and/or NRT.
I hope that is now clear.
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QF used to do this route CNS-DRW-SIN with a SP which was always pretty full. Then it went to a B767 because the SP's were retired and it was still pretty full. Then AO took the route over (I don't recall AO going SIN direct, I may be wrong) and it was still pretty full and I would assume the yeilds would have been about the same or a little better than when it was a QF 767. What this did was allow QF to increase their ADL-DRW-SIN flights. Some days now there are 2 flights ex DRW to SIN within about 1/2 of each other. One ex BNE and I think either QF81 ex ADL or the flight ex CNS.
These are just the changes that I have seen on this route over the last 6 years, no doubt there will be more. But looking at the whole picture, I still don't see how Jetstar could make more money on this route without using the A330.
Also over these years the flight is one that consistently has a high load factor 75-80% and is always full of cargo. If this flight is not making money then that is a management issue, as it always full of cargo and has a high load factor it should be making a good profit. If we are not charging enough for seats, the Pilots,FA's and Ground staff can't be blamed for that. That is a mangement problem.
These are just the changes that I have seen on this route over the last 6 years, no doubt there will be more. But looking at the whole picture, I still don't see how Jetstar could make more money on this route without using the A330.
Also over these years the flight is one that consistently has a high load factor 75-80% and is always full of cargo. If this flight is not making money then that is a management issue, as it always full of cargo and has a high load factor it should be making a good profit. If we are not charging enough for seats, the Pilots,FA's and Ground staff can't be blamed for that. That is a mangement problem.
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rammel, AO flew CNS/SIN direct 3 days per week from Nov 2002 until the final flight this June. The DRW sectors were in addition and operated once or twice a week depending on the season
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Were told recently by management that the CNS DRW SIN will soon be done by 738 a/c - just reporting on what we were told by our manager, may just be an interim measure before JQ widebody steps in perhaps.
This was an old rumour but never heard it from management before.
This was an old rumour but never heard it from management before.
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what about the other "story" that J*A have a spare a/c and will take over the SIN-DRW-CNS on a daily basis with a A320 sometime soon....?????? Wonder where the freight will go?
