AO Wetlease to takeover this QF route..
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AO Wetlease to takeover this QF route..
just got back from a trip and am surprised no one has mentioned this. Rumor has it at the staff forum up in Cairns last Friday Mr Kumar at No. 42 announced AO to commence Syd - Mnl as soon as AO stop DPS. Also he stated he was expecting strong opposition from AIPA...
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AO wetlease?
WTF. Since when did AO own aircraft? My understanding is that their leased aircraft are now back with the owner. As a result, AO is just another labor supply organisation. Doesn't matter how it's dressed up, it's now no different from Adecco or Forstaff.
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my sources tell me none other than Capt Manning is travelling to FNQ this Friday to be "special guest" at a beers with the boss type forum for AO Wetlease techies... this is a first for him.... will someone attending fill us all in??
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Keg .."only 5 aircraft".. this AIPA type attitude is the reason J* has been so successful in bypassing this joke of an organisation. QF will grow AWOL as best they can and as its an AIPA agreement they will get away with it easily and then when its big enough , pull the rug out from under it and rebadge it J* and send the QF pilots back to mainline or insist on J* T&c's. WATCH it happen.
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Qantas Link will be expanded and could float
As you said Walter, AWOL will grow, and grow with an existing agreement and arrangement in place today with AIPA??
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Qantas Link will be expanded and could float
AO is under the Qantas Link umbrella - so it will expand.
As you said Walter, AWOL will grow, and grow with an existing agreement and arrangement in place today with AIPA??
AO is under the Qantas Link umbrella - so it will expand.
As you said Walter, AWOL will grow, and grow with an existing agreement and arrangement in place today with AIPA??
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So let's get this straight: Cairns-based 767 pilots will now be operating SYD-MNL and MNL-SYD, which will necessitate slipping in SYD. Meanwhile SYD-based 767 pilots are excluded from this flying. It's explicitly stated, apparently, that "mainline" 767 pilots (SYD are not to operate "AO" (CNS) flights....
How insane and inflexible will that be, and all for ideological reasons?
How insane and inflexible will that be, and all for ideological reasons?
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R&EJ, don't forget that we now have QF mainline crew slipping in CNS to operate former AO flights out of there (CNS-SIN via Darwin?). Welcome to Carmen....resistance is futile!
Flitegirl, my pleasure. At the end of the day, AO have five aircraft's worth of crew and QF can (and will) fly them where ever they want them to. AIPAs (and my) interest will pique significantly when they seek to have 26 aircraft and to base them other than in Cairns.
(I've got mates in AO and wish them all the best. I've got nothing against AO and everything against 'management' that utilise trojan horses to lower pay and conditions).
Flitegirl, my pleasure. At the end of the day, AO have five aircraft's worth of crew and QF can (and will) fly them where ever they want them to. AIPAs (and my) interest will pique significantly when they seek to have 26 aircraft and to base them other than in Cairns.
(I've got mates in AO and wish them all the best. I've got nothing against AO and everything against 'management' that utilise trojan horses to lower pay and conditions).
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In what way are the AIPA members at AO lowering the pay and conditions of Mainline pilots. If the AO agreement has lowered pay etc., then you should be pointing the finger at the AIPA reps who agreed the AO deal. Wasn't one of the AIPA negotiators the present Qantas CP? After all, aren't the AO pilots Qantas pilots on secondment/leave of absence from the Mainline?
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Don, AO was set up to be a 'low cost full service international carrier'. Different aircraft, uniforms, AOC, routes, etc. I agreed with the process to secure this flying for QF drivers.
However the premise that AO was set up on no longer exists and AO is now flying mainline aircraft (all the GE 767s are on the AOC), in mainline colours, mainline uniforms, mainline routes, mainline service, etc. That is what makes it a trojan horse and this is what I object to. I'd like to see the crew come back under the same terms and conditions that the rest of QF 767 drivers are getting.
I'll be equally cranky when in a few years time J* International gets re-badged as QF. Yet another example of a trojan horse.
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However the premise that AO was set up on no longer exists and AO is now flying mainline aircraft (all the GE 767s are on the AOC), in mainline colours, mainline uniforms, mainline routes, mainline service, etc. That is what makes it a trojan horse and this is what I object to. I'd like to see the crew come back under the same terms and conditions that the rest of QF 767 drivers are getting.
I'll be equally cranky when in a few years time J* International gets re-badged as QF. Yet another example of a trojan horse.
Clear yet?
No, CNS-DRW-SIN is now operated by mainline. According to the schedule it is going daily later in the year too! I also believe CNS/CTS will be operated by mainline too come December. Can anyone confirm that?
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I doubt it will go to J* Asia, as the flight always has relatively high load factors. Also the flight is always full of cargo on the way back, most of which connects in CNS with the NRT flights. This cargo will not fit on an A320.