Merged: Embraer Jets for Virgin Blue?
Having flown both the CRJ and the Q300 on the SYD-CBR route, I can say without doubt that the prop will 'eat the jet alive' on this route. As for 'initial' passenger appeal, I think we can say that most would go for the jet.
I hope that DJ do well with the regional jet and will be applying when the time comes but I hope they don't think that this route is a winner for them without some careful marketing. They should do well on the 300+nm sectors against the prop.
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I hope that DJ do well with the regional jet and will be applying when the time comes but I hope they don't think that this route is a winner for them without some careful marketing. They should do well on the 300+nm sectors against the prop.
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Dont ever forget that the Ansett goons managed to turn a profit making SAAB operation on CBR to SYD into a loss making debacle with the CRJ.
50 seats full each way could not break even when AN clowns ran it, they would have needed another 25 seats on the useless thing to make a profit.
Ahab
50 seats full each way could not break even when AN clowns ran it, they would have needed another 25 seats on the useless thing to make a profit.
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Regards jet vs props on the SY-CB runs, there are two important things to remember.
Firstly, the Q400's speed is almost that of a jet, so the speed thing really isn't an issue - it's just what type the punters like that will be the deciding factor.
And, because the Q400 (and the 100, 200 and 300) is a prop, it gets the almost direct track from SY-CB, not the big arc via WOL that the jets have to do. If CB is runway 30/35 for arrivals, the Q400 flight time would be just as good, if not better, than the jet as they can take RWY30. The jets have to take a long final for RWY35 for either noise abatement (daytime), or to enable a realistic descent rate using the ILS at night.
Just some things to think about regarding E-Jets on this route.
Cheers,
NFR.
Firstly, the Q400's speed is almost that of a jet, so the speed thing really isn't an issue - it's just what type the punters like that will be the deciding factor.
And, because the Q400 (and the 100, 200 and 300) is a prop, it gets the almost direct track from SY-CB, not the big arc via WOL that the jets have to do. If CB is runway 30/35 for arrivals, the Q400 flight time would be just as good, if not better, than the jet as they can take RWY30. The jets have to take a long final for RWY35 for either noise abatement (daytime), or to enable a realistic descent rate using the ILS at night.
Just some things to think about regarding E-Jets on this route.
Cheers,
NFR.
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NFR - from what I understand, runway strength limitations will preclude the use of Rwy30 at YSCB for the Q400s. No problems for the -300s and -100s.
Agreed re the additional track miles via WOL however.
Agreed re the additional track miles via WOL however.
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Originally Posted by Pete Conrad
not so with Ansett/KD as that was something to do with the ridiculous lease rates the AN executives signed.
Interesting of course, the person in charge of the AN Network at the time was a gnome who subsequently left and took all his work to his new employer. Irish ethics! Is J* his reward?
Originally Posted by Eagleman
The rate was driven by the KD management of the day, albeit they were fully AN owned. DK was quite formitable and was his own man.
Interesting of course, the person in charge of the AN Network at the time was a gnome who subsequently left and took all his work to his new employer. Irish ethics! Is J* his reward?
Interesting of course, the person in charge of the AN Network at the time was a gnome who subsequently left and took all his work to his new employer. Irish ethics! Is J* his reward?
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Originally Posted by hoss
As for 'initial' passenger appeal, I think we can say that most would go for the jet.
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Pete,
DK was very close to signing a deal with Embraer when AN stepped in. In fact, the aircraft was demonstrated at Wagga. I would be surprised if the Saab 2000 was under consideration. As for TJ, he actually resigned from the KD board because he didn't believe they could justify the purchase of the jets. He was replaced on the Board by the subsequent CEO, Ron R.
Bill Jauncey and Keith Heardman were seconded to KD to assist DK and Geoff with the introduction of the aircraft. CASA got very cold feet as to the capability of KD management. Ron R was put in as CEO and Bruce Byron was engaged as EGM Operations.
Sadly the business case for the jet was deficient as it failed to address a number of issues including the reaction of the tasmanian Govenment and the Canberra PS issue, viz, they required (wanted) J class on the jet!
DK was very close to signing a deal with Embraer when AN stepped in. In fact, the aircraft was demonstrated at Wagga. I would be surprised if the Saab 2000 was under consideration. As for TJ, he actually resigned from the KD board because he didn't believe they could justify the purchase of the jets. He was replaced on the Board by the subsequent CEO, Ron R.
Bill Jauncey and Keith Heardman were seconded to KD to assist DK and Geoff with the introduction of the aircraft. CASA got very cold feet as to the capability of KD management. Ron R was put in as CEO and Bruce Byron was engaged as EGM Operations.
Sadly the business case for the jet was deficient as it failed to address a number of issues including the reaction of the tasmanian Govenment and the Canberra PS issue, viz, they required (wanted) J class on the jet!
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Yeah I remember the uproar when the CRJ was actually replaced on the BNE runs out of CBR by the 146 in the final months of AN as a result of the government whining. The Saab 2000 was also demonstrataed here, I was told this was the aircraft DK was keen on but TJ thumped the table. Just goes to show how many sides of the story there are?
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Baggage capacity for the EMB 190 is no problem.. If you know what you;re doing can squeeze in 80 odd bags on a Fokker 100 and still get 600-800kg of freight in compartments 1 & 2. All be it fairly dense freight.
Have bee in the EMB 170 Holds, and should be no probs at all + a half metro load of freight.
Have bee in the EMB 170 Holds, and should be no probs at all + a half metro load of freight.
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Originally Posted by Capt Basil Brush
Word is the announcement has been delayed for 1 month.
Reasons unknown.
Reasons unknown.
Just a thought!
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ERJ-190 for virgin??
Can anyone shed any light on the rumor V.B are getting ERJ-190's.
If this is true when will they arrive and how many?
What routes will they fly?
Are they excepting applications yet?
What sort of money will they offer experienced crews?
Cheers.
If this is true when will they arrive and how many?
What routes will they fly?
Are they excepting applications yet?
What sort of money will they offer experienced crews?
Cheers.
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According to informed sources ( BBQ mates? ) a meeting was held last week and the "Jungle Jets" are a goer. When, where and how often nobody knows at this stage but one things for certain, QantasLink and Rex are in for interesting times.