Merged: Embraer Jets for Virgin Blue?
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Merged: Embraer Jets for Virgin Blue?
Just picked up a little whisper here on the sleepy isle that DJ are seriously looking at 100 seat Embraer regional jets no doubt to go head to head with Ratconnect on Australian regional routes. Most likely of the E190/195 family.
The source is nearly as reliable as the Townsville refueller.
If this has been floated around earlier, just ignore it - we only just got the 'lectric on and this new fangled stuff is hard to keep up with.
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The source is nearly as reliable as the Townsville refueller.
If this has been floated around earlier, just ignore it - we only just got the 'lectric on and this new fangled stuff is hard to keep up with.
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I heard
from my contact Earnest J Sources that the VB board has signed off on 9 of the E-Jet series, first brace of which will arrive in the first quarter of the new year.
They look like a nice bit of kit, and with only 9, you wouldn't build a sim... bi-annual trips to Brazil, lads?
Not if I have to sign an AWA though. My bum still hurts from the last one of those.
They look like a nice bit of kit, and with only 9, you wouldn't build a sim... bi-annual trips to Brazil, lads?
Not if I have to sign an AWA though. My bum still hurts from the last one of those.
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One would think that it was tantamount to commercial suicide to enter even the better regional markets at this time, even with a stateofthuyart regional jet. However, when you look at the fuel surcharges lobbed on top of the fare that QF link enjoy, we have a happy hunting ground.
As eluded to in previous posts by eminent participants, current surcharges in many cases on a 75% load factor are MORE than paying for the total block fuel. Ratconnect is turning into an MMA/AWA - a jewel in the crown with the total removal of the fuel from DOC and in many cases a nett profit going towards the overall cost of the operation. Add the airfares from regional areas and you have a solid little earner.
A fairly happy hunting ground for a LCC too. No wonder DJ are keen, and then there is the added bonus of the feed onto mainline. Win win!!
I had not paid much notice to the jungle jet family, but on being spiked into action have found them aesthetically quite a pretty bird.
Looks like this rumour actually is of a quality that would be approved by the TSV bangwater reseller!!!
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One would think that it was tantamount to commercial suicide to enter even the better regional markets at this time, even with a stateofthuyart regional jet. However, when you look at the fuel surcharges lobbed on top of the fare that QF link enjoy, we have a happy hunting ground.
As eluded to in previous posts by eminent participants, current surcharges in many cases on a 75% load factor are MORE than paying for the total block fuel. Ratconnect is turning into an MMA/AWA - a jewel in the crown with the total removal of the fuel from DOC and in many cases a nett profit going towards the overall cost of the operation. Add the airfares from regional areas and you have a solid little earner.
A fairly happy hunting ground for a LCC too. No wonder DJ are keen, and then there is the added bonus of the feed onto mainline. Win win!!
I had not paid much notice to the jungle jet family, but on being spiked into action have found them aesthetically quite a pretty bird.
Looks like this rumour actually is of a quality that would be approved by the TSV bangwater reseller!!!
Best all
EWL
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One would expect that most of the services for Dj done by the jungle jet would be on existing ports but with a higher frequency. i.e Maroochy, Ballina, Coffs etc. Obviously Syd.Cbr must be done for the chance at Government contracts but are they going to do the Business class thing or stay LCC? Now that will be interesting......................
Coffs is doing quite well with 2 737-800s in a day... The direct melbourne is doing ok too i hear.
More frequencies on a smaller plane with higher loads, freeing up the bigger ones for longer / more profitable routes makes sense.
More frequencies on a smaller plane with higher loads, freeing up the bigger ones for longer / more profitable routes makes sense.
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What scares me is that the town fathers of DPO and BWT who will no doubt hear of this when it hits mainstream media will be crawling all over the local papers and annoying the living suitcase out of the airline to include them in their planned route network.
A 100 seater in the Tassie regional market has worked, but in a galaxy far far away and in a time long past.
It will not stop the do gooders from making life hell with "pick me - pick me".
I can see a few regionals that will deserve and thrive on the full Brazillian though. Tasmania is not one unless the frequency is increased and the aeroplane size is reduced on LST and HBA - there is a good deal of logic in that.
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A 100 seater in the Tassie regional market has worked, but in a galaxy far far away and in a time long past.
It will not stop the do gooders from making life hell with "pick me - pick me".
I can see a few regionals that will deserve and thrive on the full Brazillian though. Tasmania is not one unless the frequency is increased and the aeroplane size is reduced on LST and HBA - there is a good deal of logic in that.
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.. as I understand it (stand to be corrected though), VB (and others) loads outa YMLT are very nice (particualrly during summer) .... many locals enjoy (and therefore support) the 737/A320 services to ML, SY and BN!
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.. what is the comparative envelope for the E series?
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.. as I understand it (stand to be corrected though), VB (and others) loads outa YMLT are very nice (particualrly during summer) .... many locals enjoy (and therefore support) the 737/A320 services to ML, SY and BN!
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.. what is the comparative envelope for the E series?
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Arrrrr Scurvy
The services indeed do entice the edges of the gene pool who would normally stay home and whittle to fly, along with those who would have anyway or those that must for business. Neither LCC ex LST has a perfect mix of flight times with the current schedule, however they are not ridiculous.
Smaller more frequent aeroplannes would restore absolute prime inbound and outbound times and would also better feed the oncarriage market.Assuming the DOCs of the jungle bunnies is same or lower than the 737 fleet, this can only assist in releasing the larger aeroplanes over peak times onto higher demand and yield markets.
Problem with the local market ex HBA and LST is that originating traffic is traditionally low yield or stay home.
Loads can be high, but the fare has to be placed in the right area to be sold. As such it is sometimes hardly worth the effort to operate the aeroplane.
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The services indeed do entice the edges of the gene pool who would normally stay home and whittle to fly, along with those who would have anyway or those that must for business. Neither LCC ex LST has a perfect mix of flight times with the current schedule, however they are not ridiculous.
Smaller more frequent aeroplannes would restore absolute prime inbound and outbound times and would also better feed the oncarriage market.Assuming the DOCs of the jungle bunnies is same or lower than the 737 fleet, this can only assist in releasing the larger aeroplanes over peak times onto higher demand and yield markets.
Problem with the local market ex HBA and LST is that originating traffic is traditionally low yield or stay home.
Loads can be high, but the fare has to be placed in the right area to be sold. As such it is sometimes hardly worth the effort to operate the aeroplane.
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That is true East West hopefully the Jungle jets can actually carry some freight as this is where the airlines would make their cash. Just like the freight carrying capacity of the wonderous Crj , Whoops what do you mean politically incorrect ? But it was the right aircraft just ask Rod...............
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I had a quick look at a Jungle Jet when it transited through DRW about 2 years ago. From what little I saw I didn't think it was particularly well endowed, baggage/freight space wise.
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Coaldemon, from memory when NJS looked at them they would'nt carry much of anything ( freight or luggage ).
Related to WA ops though, and as Bloggs will tell you, nothing can replace the Gas Chamber
Related to WA ops though, and as Bloggs will tell you, nothing can replace the Gas Chamber
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Do Qantaslink/Dash 8 regional operations charge a small fortune for flights - yes.
Would VB like a piece of that pie - yes.
Would the public prefer to fly on a jet - yes.
Has the VB Board signed off on the regional jet - no.
Will VB pilots fly the new jets - maybe.
Look on this site in 4 weeks when you can expect answers to all the above.
Would VB like a piece of that pie - yes.
Would the public prefer to fly on a jet - yes.
Has the VB Board signed off on the regional jet - no.
Will VB pilots fly the new jets - maybe.
Look on this site in 4 weeks when you can expect answers to all the above.
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I'll add one...
Will people have to sell their souls to fly one of these babies? - YES!!
Will people have to sell their souls to fly one of these babies? - YES!!