Merged: Embraer Jets for Virgin Blue?
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EWL.. Tasmanians and North Islanders alike should have access to good transport between the islands... historically in TAS and particularly LT, the punters will fly dependant on availability, affordability and relative time enroute …. I do!
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… if the E Jet is comparable with 737/A320 in these areas …. what’s not to like … particularly if frequencies increase!
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... so how do they compare?
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.. cheers
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… if the E Jet is comparable with 737/A320 in these areas …. what’s not to like … particularly if frequencies increase!
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... so how do they compare?
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.. cheers
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I got a look at the demo a few years back and agree with Capt Claret, there is not a lot of room for baggage or freight. If you have anything more than 85% load factor, you won't get any freight on.
The aircraft also suffers at high temps and short runways. It's really only suited for legs between 400-500 miles and runways greater than 1700m.
However it is a very nice aircraft up front and in the cabin.
The aircraft also suffers at high temps and short runways. It's really only suited for legs between 400-500 miles and runways greater than 1700m.
However it is a very nice aircraft up front and in the cabin.
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Will be operating SY-CB before years end. Crewed by DJ pilots
KD made the same mistake with a very demanding introduction schedule. Hopefully Mr Godfrey et al read the autopsy.
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Yep Scurvy
The punters will like the frequency, but other posts elude to more logic than I could muster.
It has been stated that the initial route could be SYD CBR. Makes sense - frequency even if the Q400 is very nearly as fast. High concentration of larry the laptop only flyers on that run.
It appears to be a fairly narrow gutted afair with only .94 metre locker height and 3 decent bags across max. Not suitable for freight such as live crayfish or the like. Much better than the CRJ with its bizjet sized main deck locker but even with the double bubble fuselage I reckon a decent load of bags would pretty well blow it out.
Can't beat the A320/737 underbellies for a decent uplift capability when put up against a 2 2 config aeroplane. The Tas market is currently well served with these and the 3 holer poodling back and forward most nights.
The E Jets seem to have more than decent range, so a whole bucketload of possibilities open up.
Best all
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The punters will like the frequency, but other posts elude to more logic than I could muster.
It has been stated that the initial route could be SYD CBR. Makes sense - frequency even if the Q400 is very nearly as fast. High concentration of larry the laptop only flyers on that run.
It appears to be a fairly narrow gutted afair with only .94 metre locker height and 3 decent bags across max. Not suitable for freight such as live crayfish or the like. Much better than the CRJ with its bizjet sized main deck locker but even with the double bubble fuselage I reckon a decent load of bags would pretty well blow it out.
Can't beat the A320/737 underbellies for a decent uplift capability when put up against a 2 2 config aeroplane. The Tas market is currently well served with these and the 3 holer poodling back and forward most nights.
The E Jets seem to have more than decent range, so a whole bucketload of possibilities open up.
Best all
EWL
Hey tinny, when/where was the pic taken?
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Quite likely Apacau
What I heard was Embraer 100 seater, and from a source loosely connected to but no longer in the industry. It appears, however to have wings.
The 70ish seater opens a whole different group of wax balls.
It not only lines up against the Q400, but also opens a lot of the Eeenie Weenie ports to a possible incursion.
(Reminds self to line up for the ground handling contract)
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What I heard was Embraer 100 seater, and from a source loosely connected to but no longer in the industry. It appears, however to have wings.
The 70ish seater opens a whole different group of wax balls.
It not only lines up against the Q400, but also opens a lot of the Eeenie Weenie ports to a possible incursion.
(Reminds self to line up for the ground handling contract)
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Well, this was posted on the WA spotters groups. So just maybe the E170 AND E190 are bound downunder... More food for the rumour mill, anyway!
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Subject: [SpottingWA] Virgin Blue Fleet additions
Hi,
New aircraft coming into the stables 2007-2009.
Embraer 170 Regional Jets (4x ), & Embraer 190 Regional Jets (21x) for
Regional services throught Australia.
International services:
B777-200 LR has been given the nod for International services to USA.
An announcement from Virgin Blue is expected mid September.
Embraer company demonstrator Emb-190 aircraft PP-XMB c/n 1900002 will
arrive in Darwin for an Australia wide tour in November.
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Subject: [SpottingWA] Virgin Blue Fleet additions
Hi,
New aircraft coming into the stables 2007-2009.
Embraer 170 Regional Jets (4x ), & Embraer 190 Regional Jets (21x) for
Regional services throught Australia.
International services:
B777-200 LR has been given the nod for International services to USA.
An announcement from Virgin Blue is expected mid September.
Embraer company demonstrator Emb-190 aircraft PP-XMB c/n 1900002 will
arrive in Darwin for an Australia wide tour in November.
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Originally Posted by tinpis
Now a good Queenair would do Tassy regionals nicely
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Now your showing your age if you can remember the TAA flights.
Damn...it makes me as old as well.
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So with 40ish and 80ish seaters already operating on these routes and VB coming in with 100 seaters, are they going to ;
a) double the number of pax on those routes so everyone makes a profit
or
b) Just put another 100 seats on those routes ( that are'nt currently supporting 100 seaters ) and nobody makes money
If the answer is A, where do all these extra punters come from ?
a) double the number of pax on those routes so everyone makes a profit
or
b) Just put another 100 seats on those routes ( that are'nt currently supporting 100 seaters ) and nobody makes money
If the answer is A, where do all these extra punters come from ?
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Originally Posted by Big Hairy Potatos
I heard Aviation Australia have a SIM or cabin trainer for these babies in Vegas, is this true?
There is reference to EMB120 Mechanical training, although that does not really help with the jungle jets theory does it
Interesting times?
I was under the impression that the Virgin model was to only pursue routes that are profitable on a stand alone basis, and a large part of their cost control was the adoption of a single type fleet.
It appears that this philosophy that has served them so well is about to be challenged. Could be a very expensive exercise?
Also, what are they proposing to pay their drivers? I'd say it would be a given that very few current DJ pilots have any experience on the Jungle Jet. This would mean contract pilots, (at least initially), how many of them would be willing to relocate to OZ, and at what price.
Then what would be the offer to existing 737 pilots to come across? Ecomomies of scale would suggest smaller A/C less dough!
As I said Interesting times.
I was under the impression that the Virgin model was to only pursue routes that are profitable on a stand alone basis, and a large part of their cost control was the adoption of a single type fleet.
It appears that this philosophy that has served them so well is about to be challenged. Could be a very expensive exercise?
Also, what are they proposing to pay their drivers? I'd say it would be a given that very few current DJ pilots have any experience on the Jungle Jet. This would mean contract pilots, (at least initially), how many of them would be willing to relocate to OZ, and at what price.
Then what would be the offer to existing 737 pilots to come across? Ecomomies of scale would suggest smaller A/C less dough!
As I said Interesting times.
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Originally Posted by coaldemon
Just like the freight carrying capacity of the wonderous Crj
West Air Europe to acquire CRJ200 freighter
Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
Interesting times?
I was under the impression that the Virgin model was to only pursue routes that are profitable on a stand alone basis, and a large part of their cost control was the adoption of a single type fleet.
It appears that this philosophy that has served them so well is about to be challenged. Could be a very expensive exercise?
Also, what are they proposing to pay their drivers? I'd say it would be a given that very few current DJ pilots have any experience on the Jungle Jet. This would mean contract pilots, (at least initially), how many of them would be willing to relocate to OZ, and at what price.
Then what would be the offer to existing 737 pilots to come across? Ecomomies of scale would suggest smaller A/C less dough!
As I said Interesting times.
I was under the impression that the Virgin model was to only pursue routes that are profitable on a stand alone basis, and a large part of their cost control was the adoption of a single type fleet.
It appears that this philosophy that has served them so well is about to be challenged. Could be a very expensive exercise?
Also, what are they proposing to pay their drivers? I'd say it would be a given that very few current DJ pilots have any experience on the Jungle Jet. This would mean contract pilots, (at least initially), how many of them would be willing to relocate to OZ, and at what price.
Then what would be the offer to existing 737 pilots to come across? Ecomomies of scale would suggest smaller A/C less dough!
As I said Interesting times.
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I flew on American Eagle from JFK to Boston (dont know code) on ERJ-135/145 and with a full complement of pax (in good weather too) about a quarter of the pax bags didnt make it on the flight. Not sure whether it was a payload thing or ****e house organisation. I understand the 170s are different all together but could anyone with EMB experience share with us their EMB experience reference pax no.s vs bags/freight etc
Also will the applications go through virgin or will it be link QF and QFlink with regard to recruitment and also moving between the two
Also will the applications go through virgin or will it be link QF and QFlink with regard to recruitment and also moving between the two
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The E190 is a great airplane for it's market. Very comfortable for passengers. More expensive to operate than the CRJ product with similar number of seats by about 30% according to our CEO. I fly on the Canadair side of United and they tell us that they have been very happy with both airplanes but that the CRJ is cheaper to run right now, which is why Delta put out a RFP yesterday to replace a bunch of their E170s with CRJ's. At least that's the way it looks like they are going to go, who knows.
One thing I can say about the 190, it's a big freakin airplane for a regional jet, I taxiied by one in Washington-Dulles the other day and was struck by how it was almost as big as the A319 parked at the next gate.
One thing I can say about the 190, it's a big freakin airplane for a regional jet, I taxiied by one in Washington-Dulles the other day and was struck by how it was almost as big as the A319 parked at the next gate.
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CRJ was OK on SYD-CBR
rescue 1, When KD operated the CRJ between SYD and CBR there was actually a notable swing by pax towards the CRJ over the Saab services. Infact, towards the end of AN, the CRJ loads were quite full between SYD-CBR. They were only introduced on the run in the last months of AN, so to say they were a failure on the route would be premature. The CRJ infact, after talking with some of the Canadian pilots who came out and flew it said they were money makers in the USA, not so with Ansett/KD as that was something to do with the ridiculous lease rates the AN executives signed.