Glitch in the wet leasing concept?
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In $$$ terms alone, junior FO's in Cairns (ie <7years total service QF/AO) would be better off if the Cairns operation stayed on the AO award as opposed to the QF LH award.....it will be a paycut for them to go back to the LH award.
Remember the AO award for FOs was based on the 7th year mainline rate for FO's, which is why it has always been popular for junior crew.
Remember the AO award for FOs was based on the 7th year mainline rate for FO's, which is why it has always been popular for junior crew.
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Why is it a glitch in the wet leasing concept?
It's not really all that different to having a 747 with surplus pilots on board when an A330 pilot goes tits up, or vice verca, and wanting to use one of the surplus pilots on the wrong type.
On this logic an airline should only operate one type.
I wanna be there when the 74 goes into Gove!
It's not really all that different to having a 747 with surplus pilots on board when an A330 pilot goes tits up, or vice verca, and wanting to use one of the surplus pilots on the wrong type.
On this logic an airline should only operate one type.
I wanna be there when the 74 goes into Gove!
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AO Captains - we're feeling much better now
Sorry to bust your bubble cutie, but me thinks you are getting your rumours mixed up. Twas a QF Skipper sick in Cairns and they replaced the whole crew with an AO crew for the sector south. No problem, apparently the passengers only noticed because they got service 
on this flight.
It was a credible post of course...
they always ring GD when they have an issue in operations as big as a sick pilot !
on this flight.It was a credible post of course...
they always ring GD when they have an issue in operations as big as a sick pilot !
I’m sorry but am I missing something here? If AO and QF operate under two AOC’s as I suspect they do, how does a QF crew operate an AO aircraft or VV? It would be like QF asking an AN crew (if they were still around) to operate one of their B744's, B767's or B737's if they were appropriately endorsed. It just wouldn’t happen because quite simply it’s not legal. Just because QF owns the AO AOC is irrelevant to the debate. They are still two separate AOC’s.
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What the truck?
Those drivers work really hard............a glorified bus driver though, that's another story heh bob?
(No apologies for those kiddies too young to understand the reference)
Those drivers work really hard............a glorified bus driver though, that's another story heh bob?
(No apologies for those kiddies too young to understand the reference)
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QF/AO aircraft
In response to 404 Titan,
The aircraft belong to Qantas and are interchanged through the AO network as nessecary. All of the GE 338's are on the AO AOC hence AO crew can operate on them.
The aircraft belong to Qantas and are interchanged through the AO network as nessecary. All of the GE 338's are on the AO AOC hence AO crew can operate on them.
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AO pilots "cheaper"?
Pilots flying for AO are on secondment from Qantas. Does anyone in their right mind believe that AIPA signed off an agreement that saw some of its members undercutting the pay and conditions of other members who all work for the same company? Stop the dreaming and mis-information! 
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Would this scenario be similiar (in a smaller scale).
An Easterns flight crew member goes sick, and they call a sunnies flight crew member to replace him/her.
As far as I am aware the aircraft are owned by Qantas/Qantas Link (they have at least one aircraft that floats between both Easterns and Sunnies, sorry that it isn't a 400 hey guys).
They are both on different eba's (correct me if I am wrong), and they are on different AOC's (again from what I have been told).
An Easterns flight crew member goes sick, and they call a sunnies flight crew member to replace him/her.
As far as I am aware the aircraft are owned by Qantas/Qantas Link (they have at least one aircraft that floats between both Easterns and Sunnies, sorry that it isn't a 400 hey guys).
They are both on different eba's (correct me if I am wrong), and they are on different AOC's (again from what I have been told).
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Gidday D & S,
I think the Sunstate/Eastern scenario might be slightly different. I'm not current on the present situation regarding the progress of "commonalising" SOP's between the 2 companies, but they would be sufficiently different to preclude mixed crews at the moment, even on a common 1/2/300 series.
There would also be the issue of the document suite in the aircraft. Presently they are completely different animals, so I think this may preclude mixed crews as well.
Industrial arrangements (EBA's) would probably be irrelevant from an operational standpoint.
I think the Sunstate/Eastern scenario might be slightly different. I'm not current on the present situation regarding the progress of "commonalising" SOP's between the 2 companies, but they would be sufficiently different to preclude mixed crews at the moment, even on a common 1/2/300 series.
There would also be the issue of the document suite in the aircraft. Presently they are completely different animals, so I think this may preclude mixed crews as well.
Industrial arrangements (EBA's) would probably be irrelevant from an operational standpoint.
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Quote from Swift6 -
The aircraft belong to Qantas and are interchanged through the AO network as nessecary. All of the GE 338's are on the AO AOC hence AO crew can operate on them.
Do QF and AO have the same Ops manuals?
Do the QF and AO pilots all complete the same training cyclics?
Do QF and AO pilots train together and operate together in normal operations?
What is the CASA position?
The aircraft belong to Qantas and are interchanged through the AO network as nessecary. All of the GE 338's are on the AO AOC hence AO crew can operate on them.
Do QF and AO have the same Ops manuals?
Do the QF and AO pilots all complete the same training cyclics?
Do QF and AO pilots train together and operate together in normal operations?
What is the CASA position?
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No No No The Borg is wrong
I reckon I am going to enjoy this post, stand by your source do you Borg man. The source is on the sauce, s/he is just wrong. There has not been an AO Captain or FO go sick in Japan...from my source not since July 1st changeover or even in their living memory. But a good rev up all the same.
If indeed you do have a source, give us a date or is he, she just reving you up. And I've never seen aanyone do that to you before.
It didn't happen !
And on the manuals, I'd fully check your NO NO NO too. Me thinks it is a,
Basically,
Yes,
and NO.
Oh and the CASA position, that'd be "They are flying !"
If indeed you do have a source, give us a date or is he, she just reving you up. And I've never seen aanyone do that to you before.
It didn't happen !
And on the manuals, I'd fully check your NO NO NO too. Me thinks it is a,
Basically,
Yes,
and NO.
Oh and the CASA position, that'd be "They are flying !"
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this is a windup cuty! I have it on good authority that it never happened
Makes one wonder when some post cr@p in order to try outdo the F/A's on their thread, which is mostly trash from a vocal few. This is much the same trash. I guess this is a rumour network - pays not to believe all you see here.
Makes one wonder when some post cr@p in order to try outdo the F/A's on their thread, which is mostly trash from a vocal few. This is much the same trash. I guess this is a rumour network - pays not to believe all you see here.
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Senatorial. . . .
Not sure about the Flt libraries being the same because I'm regularly having to remove AO manuals and re-install QF ones preflight. I assume therefore that they are different.
As for cyclics being the same, I didn't think you guys did circling approaches? We still do!
VS.
Not sure about the Flt libraries being the same because I'm regularly having to remove AO manuals and re-install QF ones preflight. I assume therefore that they are different.
As for cyclics being the same, I didn't think you guys did circling approaches? We still do!
VS.
