Bags Under The Seats - Or Else
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Bags Under The Seats - Or Else
Ten to one says that this idiot thinks they are, should be, famous.
From SMH online today.
Did the Cabin Crew have to push it so far? Is it really important? Not being sarcastic but genuinly curious as to the reason for the dogmatism.
From SMH online today.
Handbag incident on plane gets passenger kicked off
July 31, 2006 - 11:23PM
A passenger was escorted off a Tokyo-bound plane in Hong Kong after she refused to put her Gucci handbag under her seat, holding up the departure of a flight for more than an hour.
The Cathay Pacific plane was ready to take off but was forced to stop on the runway because the young passenger would not comply with a flight attendant's request, the Apple Daily newspaper reported on Monday.
After 15 minutes of argument, police officers, airport security guards and airline officials were called in to resolve the situation, but she still refused to give in.
After an officer threatened to arrest her, the unnamed passenger finally agreed to leave the plane with her handbag, much to the delight of her angry fellow passengers who clapped as she was escorted off.
"It's not my fault, it was them who were too stubborn," she shouted as she left.
July 31, 2006 - 11:23PM
A passenger was escorted off a Tokyo-bound plane in Hong Kong after she refused to put her Gucci handbag under her seat, holding up the departure of a flight for more than an hour.
The Cathay Pacific plane was ready to take off but was forced to stop on the runway because the young passenger would not comply with a flight attendant's request, the Apple Daily newspaper reported on Monday.
After 15 minutes of argument, police officers, airport security guards and airline officials were called in to resolve the situation, but she still refused to give in.
After an officer threatened to arrest her, the unnamed passenger finally agreed to leave the plane with her handbag, much to the delight of her angry fellow passengers who clapped as she was escorted off.
"It's not my fault, it was them who were too stubborn," she shouted as she left.
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....not trying to be sarcastic....but have you ever worked on a daily basis with cabin crew???
...the other thing...they dont make the rules,they just follow and enforce them..
...the other thing...they dont make the rules,they just follow and enforce them..
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Did the Cabin Crew have to push it so far? Is it really important? Not being sarcastic but genuinly curious as to the reason for the dogmatism.
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I agree that the passenger is a complete wally but I am still curious as to why the rule is there.
Not pursuing the CC for enforcing the rule, just trying to understand its existence.
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Baggage etc needs to be pushed forward under the seat in front to reduce any blockages etc that could slow peoples ability to move into the aisle and therefore to the exits in an evac.
I have had similar situations more than once. A point to remember is that if someone fails to follow simple instructions such as pushing a handbag under a seat, you have to presume that they may not follow crew instructions in an emergency and could therefore represent a hinderance to the safety of pax and crew. I would guess the ultimate offloading of this passenger was not so much for the Gucci handbag, but the fact that she was failing to follow the directions of the crew (which under Australian law classifies you as a Disruptive Passenger - not sure about HKG rulings though).
I have had similar situations more than once. A point to remember is that if someone fails to follow simple instructions such as pushing a handbag under a seat, you have to presume that they may not follow crew instructions in an emergency and could therefore represent a hinderance to the safety of pax and crew. I would guess the ultimate offloading of this passenger was not so much for the Gucci handbag, but the fact that she was failing to follow the directions of the crew (which under Australian law classifies you as a Disruptive Passenger - not sure about HKG rulings though).
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A plane takes off at 200 .. 300 km/h. If something goes wrong then the plane may slow dramatically. If the bag is not secured then it will continue at the original speed.
Would you like to be hit by a handbag travelling 100km/h faster than you are ?
Would you like to be hit by a handbag travelling 100km/h faster than you are ?
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Cabin bags (not in the overhead lockers) go behind the foot rests of the seat in front. Reason is simple: the foot rests are stressed the same as the seats (24G?).
If the aircraft should suddenly come to a halt, on a hill near Canberra for example, the foot rest ensures the bag decelerates at the same rate as the fuselage and seat belted passengers.
Bags, laptop computers and camera continuing at constant velocity, whilst passengers and aircraft decerate rapidly may be dangerous to your health.
So are hills near Canberra!
My only criticism of the crew - they should have turfed the tart off the aircraft earlier!!
Happier pakeha?
Buster, I've had a camera land on my head in CAT. Probably explain why I'm now a PPRuNe Mod!
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If the aircraft should suddenly come to a halt, on a hill near Canberra for example, the foot rest ensures the bag decelerates at the same rate as the fuselage and seat belted passengers.
Bags, laptop computers and camera continuing at constant velocity, whilst passengers and aircraft decerate rapidly may be dangerous to your health.
So are hills near Canberra!
My only criticism of the crew - they should have turfed the tart off the aircraft earlier!!
Happier pakeha?
Buster, I've had a camera land on my head in CAT. Probably explain why I'm now a PPRuNe Mod!
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Not good taste
so woomera....you dont think you could have used a different example other than MT Erebus.....I could tell you a story about a family member....on my dads side...if he was here,could tell you about the stopping power of that MT
Depends how you hit the mountain. A Dash 8 in NZ collected the top of a hill and most of the passengers walked away. A secure cabin might make the difference between 3 and 4 fatalities in such a situation.
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Well, I sat behind a colleague in the AN cricket team on a trip to AKL once & watched as all his stubbies flew out of the overhead locker after a particularly nasty CO landing. It was very Homer-esque as each can landed one at a time on his scone! Classic stuff.
(Maybe he's a Mod too...)
(Maybe he's a Mod too...)
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Errr.... correct me if I'm wrong but Erebus is a loooooong way from CBR!!!! 
Skytrans Airlines up in Cairns now ask the passengers to surrender all hand luggage for this very reason. I doubt the 404 seats are indeed rated to 25Gs.
Funny enough, if a plane crashes, a bloke carrying a laptop would probably kill his fellow passenger but keep his hardrive intact as theyr'e rated 30Gs+
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I don't recall the details but I think the Titan and similar era aircraft seats are stressed to 9G. Then the FAA changed the design rules and required new designed aircraft to be stressed to 25G. An example was the "new" Cessna 206 (with the Lycoming engine) which grew around 90 kg over the original Cessna 206 (with the Continental engine) due to the seats meeting the new design rules.
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Funny enough, if a plane crashes, a bloke carrying a laptop would probably kill his fellow passenger but keep his hardrive intact as theyr'e rated 30Gs+
Dj Dave
I don't recall the details but I think the Titan and similar era aircraft seats are stressed to 9G. Then the FAA changed the design rules and required new designed aircraft to be stressed to 25G. An example was the "new" Cessna 206 (with the Lycoming engine) which grew around 90 kg over the original Cessna 206 (with the Continental engine) due to the seats meeting the new design rules.
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Congrats to the Cabin Crew.
I was once in BN boarding for CNS I think when two US vistors ahead of me in the queue were told that their hand luggage was too big to be taken on board and would need to be checked and loaded in the hold. They put on one almighty performance - what sort of ferking country is this - in the US I can take this huge bag on board. The flight attendant carefully and politely explained the rules and stood her ground. She pointed out that they would go no where near the test frame thingy.
She was abused - the airline was abused - the country was abused. The passenger refused to leave the queue - until he finally worked out that she was not going to give in. He finally agreed to check his and his wife's bags into the hold.
Everyone in the queue stood quietly until see won her case - no applauding - no abuse - just accepting that this is what she did.
Cheers
I was once in BN boarding for CNS I think when two US vistors ahead of me in the queue were told that their hand luggage was too big to be taken on board and would need to be checked and loaded in the hold. They put on one almighty performance - what sort of ferking country is this - in the US I can take this huge bag on board. The flight attendant carefully and politely explained the rules and stood her ground. She pointed out that they would go no where near the test frame thingy.
She was abused - the airline was abused - the country was abused. The passenger refused to leave the queue - until he finally worked out that she was not going to give in. He finally agreed to check his and his wife's bags into the hold.
Everyone in the queue stood quietly until see won her case - no applauding - no abuse - just accepting that this is what she did.
Cheers
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Agree that all bags should be stowed. It is only for the few minutes or so during the t/o or landing. Ms Gucci, on the other hand, would lose tremendous face, as said bag would be out of view.............SLF can be VERY irritating at times.
If you want to see 'hand baggage' like never before, go travel on a few sectors in the dark continent. The SLF have got it down to a fine art - once had some smelly liquid dripping onto me, found a couple of 'fresh' fish wrapped in newspaper in the o/h locker........almost re-started the cod wars. (cold war? whatever) I think it was almost a slap in the face with a wet fish! And it was yesterday's paper as well.
(staggers off to imbibe some reviving fluid)
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If you want to see 'hand baggage' like never before, go travel on a few sectors in the dark continent. The SLF have got it down to a fine art - once had some smelly liquid dripping onto me, found a couple of 'fresh' fish wrapped in newspaper in the o/h locker........almost re-started the cod wars. (cold war? whatever) I think it was almost a slap in the face with a wet fish! And it was yesterday's paper as well.
(staggers off to imbibe some reviving fluid)
M