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Old 27th Jul 2006, 01:40
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Well...when you can advertise fares without taxes, why not flights without approval?
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 03:21
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What about staff travel?

Just wondering:
I have been told by some current staff that if travelling on JetStar and you do not get on. You lose your dollars. Is that correct.
I know management don’t but surely this is against the law in Australia?
Surely the airline just can’t take your money? Certainly you are entitled to a refund?
With the new international flights how are you staff who do decide to fly them (I think I have answered my own question here – no QF staff will travel on them )
But what if some do, can you make your meal choice etc at time of booking? And get a refund when you miss out on a seat?
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 04:22
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An Email I received recently.
I like the bit about $300 worth of taxs/fee

Jetstar are about to announce their International destinations today at
1100. If you go onto the website right now (www.jetstar.com) there are
great deals to be had.

Eg Sydney to Denpasar 28 Mar 2007 $132 pp
Depansar to Sydney 1 Apr 2007 $12pp - yes $12pp

Be aware that there are about $300 in government taxes that get added to
the fare.

The new destinations are Bali / Phuket / Bangkok and Saigon (from
Australia - sorry for those of you in other parts of the world)


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Old 27th Jul 2006, 05:02
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Originally Posted by Ex QF
Just wondering:
I have been told by some current staff that if travelling on JetStar and you do not get on. You lose your dollars. Is that correct.
I know management don’t but surely this is against the law in Australia?
Surely the airline just can’t take your money? Certainly you are entitled to a refund?
With the new international flights how are you staff who do decide to fly them (I think I have answered my own question here – no QF staff will travel on them )
But what if some do, can you make your meal choice etc at time of booking? And get a refund when you miss out on a seat?
If you don't get on the flight, your ticket is moved to the next one.

The tickets are non refundable. However, if you do not make checkin for the flight, contact reservations and they will change the flight to a phantom date for later use.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 05:03
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Howard Hughes

"Why don't they just go $169+$25+$7+Taxes =The fare.

I am not normally one for government intervention, but I think it is high time the travelling public were given the actual cost of flying in advertising!

You assume that everyone wants food and a pillow and blanket.

What has a pillow and blanket, food you screw your nose up at or 3 month old movie got to do with the actual cost of flying? You would be surprised how many people do not watch or listen to the IFE, throw the pillows on the floor and eat their own food - even on the longer sectors. These are all extras that do not appeal to everyone. Why should those not wanting them pay for those who do?

Jetstar even recognise that hydration is somewhat a requirement and have afforded customers a bottle each. I am surprised actually.

As for the credit card surcharges there are other means of payment so again it is all down to choice. These fares are dirt cheap! I cannot fathom why people still demand all these non-essential items you just discard or turn your nose up at anyway.

exQF -
Not correct. You only lose your money of you no show.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 05:04
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Tinny and The Voice,
we have better than this rabble, we have Tiger, and they are a neat little operation. very pleasant indeed.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 07:38
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Originally Posted by tinpis
Of course here in Darwhine we wont be able to go any f in where.
Come on Tinny from Darwin you could row to Bali....

Jetstar even recognise that hydration is somewhat a requirement and have afforded customers a bottle each. I am surprised actually.
Ditzyboy, One 600ml bottle of water* is not enough to keep you even remotely hydrated on a four hour sector in a high altitude, low humidity environment. But I guess it is a start.

Just to clear things up, I am not against Airlines charging for optional extras, I agree that not all people want these 'luxuries', but it is far more cost effective to supply them to everybody and the 15-20% who don't want them, can throw their pillow on the floor or refuse the food as they do now.

As a former airline caterer I take the business of inflight catering very seriously, you would be surprised at the number of inflight emergencies that can be prevented with correct hydration/nourishment. Dehydration tends to sneak up on people without them knowing! Crews included.

Cheers, HH.

*Thats assuming they go with 600ml bottles of water, I suspect though they will opt for a smaller 300ml catering sized bottle to save on weight.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
Well...when you can advertise fares without taxes, why not flights without approval?

Good call!

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Old 27th Jul 2006, 08:39
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Hi all,

This is my first post so please be kind

Can anyone explain what the problem is with Jetstar getting approval from the US government?

Cheers
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 10:34
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Thumbs down Jetstar - Welcome to the next level - Down!

Okay - Today Jetstar announced and released network wide the new international schedules/fare structures/product.

Just cannot wait for the 31" seat pitch in economy to Bali. Yay you Jetstar. Really beats congenital defects for prolonged lack of limb mobility that one.

All very well, but in conjunction with the new services, fare structure and Frequent Flyer bonuses of DVT and John Wayne swagger, you can't get onto the bloody website to make a Launceston Melbourne or wherever to wherever booking. I have 3 passengers, their credit card number and required flights and have blown around 5 hours for the sake of $60.00 in commission.

This is the height of arrogance from that refugee Irish twit from an airline all of the clients I have booked on them hated with a passion. Let the buggers wait attitude. I have been trying to make a booking for a lady for 5 hours now as mentioned earlier. Repsonses from website unavailable to being allegedly logged out and then relogged into the public site.

One would have thought that with a major route network expansion that the Wallies would have at least done some due dilligence with the engine that provides the vast majority of their income. Sadly it aint the case.

So here I sit right now, finally onto the queue and so far down I do not even get the wanky hold message - just beeps.

Really Jetstar - are you trying to be a loss making tax dodge? If so it is definitely working.

Best all

EWL
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 11:39
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Can anyone explain what the problem is with Jetstar getting approval from the US government?
Because Homeland Security still have some questions about Magda Szubanski...
Why are they even recruting International crew if they are still waiting on approval to operate these flights?
I wouldn't be suprised if they were on contracts that could be ripped up if their application for OS Ops failed.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 12:08
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This is the NWO Loco Bloko....get used to it!

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Old 27th Jul 2006, 12:16
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I realise this nasty little reality Buster. If you or I did less than half a job, we would be history.

How do these mongrels get away with being substandard in extremis?

It must be art nouveau.

Best regards

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Old 27th Jul 2006, 12:33
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It's like anything in this country East West Loco, they do it because they can! Australians just sit back and get slugged with everything, thats the result of being such an apethetic society. Just look at politics lol! Oh well just dont use Jetstar, stuff them
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 12:34
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there getting away with it, because they have removed our options, and the poor huddled masses can now afford to fly, and have never know the better product of business class or services in the past.

the number of people boarding now wearing Ugh boots/thongs/flannos and track suit pants is unbelievable.

i persoanlly will pay the premium for a business seat, but i have no option, its either J*, VB or drive,

form my locations, its a 14 hr drive to my regular destinations, one weekend it took 10 hrs to cover the same distance with J*, in hindsight, i should have driven.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 15:19
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Originally Posted by Leane7
Why are they even recruting International crew if they are still waiting on approval to operate these flights?
I know that there's been some bad things said about the QF Group's management ability (I'm being nice now) but I don't think any organisation would go to the expense and trouble of hiring staff, buying equipment and planning for an event which may never happen. Surely with all their contacts in CBR they'd have a good idea of what's going to happen with flight approvals. Yes??? No???
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 15:27
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Originally Posted by vertigo3
Hi all,

This is my first post so please be kind

Can anyone explain what the problem is with Jetstar getting approval from the US government?

Cheers
They want to fly to Honolulu. US territory.

Then again, the Seppos pretty much reckon they run the world these days, so maybe we have to get approval from Washington to start a mail run up to Oodnadatta...
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 20:59
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EWL,

What can you expect from a mob who's boss almost doesn't get on the wagon

Even Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce had to scramble to reserve seats on the airline's inaugural flight from Melbourne to Bangkok on November 23.
"You don't think of these things until afterwards but on our inaugural flight there were only 32 seats left so I had to get them blocked off before it was too late," he said.
The Austraian/Steve Creedy
July 28, 2006

Probably too busy thinking of the gravy train perhaps.

PS; Rumour is they will not have J* A330 crews trained up on time, could be mainline crewing this flight. Perhaps he should stop screaming abuse at us like a 5 year old child or should AIPA 'black ban' mainline members assisting J* strip our P&C.
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 21:51
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Don't get hung up on the approvals. Reality is the CASA AOC and other approvals don't come through untli around 48 hours prior to the first flight.

The real issue is the capability of JQ to operate!
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Old 27th Jul 2006, 23:13
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MUTTON DRESSED UP AS LAMB


JUST DID A QUICK CHECK ONLINE. Melbounre -Bangkok march 07
J* iNT. incl. food/blanket/video 3xweek A$ 935.-
QF full service daily A$ 975.-
BA '' daily A$ 974.-
SQ '' daily A$ 1100.-

get the picture on J*
after take-off
crew check stock (headsets/video/splits/booze/meals)
try to locate 150 pax which ordered videos
try to locate 200 pax which ordered blankets
try to locate/cook/serve individually 250 pax which ordered food, the rest brought family sized frozen pizza's for the trip for the crew to heat up (charge A$ 10.-)
crew count bars/headsets/food/blankets etc closing stock.
talk about paperwork.
does remind us of the good old days when we charged for headsets.etc.
give me a full service airline anyday
lets not forget u get points on qf

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