Congratulations Jetstar and the JPC
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Congratulations Jetstar and the JPC
I woujld like to thank the JPC and Jetstar management for their continuing success in making JQ pilots the laughing stock of the industry.
JQ pilots now have to buy their OPS manuals.
CASA where are you?
I think the wrong Mr Turner has the nickname "schroo" in this country!
JQ pilots now have to buy their OPS manuals.
CASA where are you?
I think the wrong Mr Turner has the nickname "schroo" in this country!
short flights long nights
Is this for real????
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Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story......
Eagleman,
All Jetstar OPS manuals are issued in hard copy format free of charge. This has not changed.
JQ pilots have now been offered the chance to buy all 4 A320 FCOMs and the QRH for a very small amount indeed. No one HAS to buy them. It is a choice and either way all of these documents will continue to be issued to us (and updated) in electronic format by the company.
Perhaps do a little research before you start typing next time? Or you could apply to be an aviation journalist with a major network. Your credentials would suit that job perfectly.
All Jetstar OPS manuals are issued in hard copy format free of charge. This has not changed.
JQ pilots have now been offered the chance to buy all 4 A320 FCOMs and the QRH for a very small amount indeed. No one HAS to buy them. It is a choice and either way all of these documents will continue to be issued to us (and updated) in electronic format by the company.
Perhaps do a little research before you start typing next time? Or you could apply to be an aviation journalist with a major network. Your credentials would suit that job perfectly.
Thats the problem isn't it, you guys see nothing wrong with having to pay a "SMALL" amount for manuals. An absolute joke. 
Do you have to pay a small amount for your uniforms,
Do you pay for your own ASIC, instrument renewal, surely the company shouldn't have to pay for an extra pilot to do line checks etc, EP's are there to save your lives so why shouldn't you subsidise them as well and how about DG's, surely thats a pilots responsibility.
I reckon it would be fair if you spent a little bit of time on your days off washing the jets, or working in the hangar.
Do you have to pay a small amount for your uniforms,
Do you pay for your own ASIC, instrument renewal, surely the company shouldn't have to pay for an extra pilot to do line checks etc, EP's are there to save your lives so why shouldn't you subsidise them as well and how about DG's, surely thats a pilots responsibility.
I reckon it would be fair if you spent a little bit of time on your days off washing the jets, or working in the hangar.
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Are you guys for real?
If you want Company-provided operational information in hard-copy format you have to pay for it? The only free alternative is a CD?
I worry greatly about this ever-increasing push to have operational info provided electronically. Many people do not study as effectively when reading a screen as opposed to reading paper. The 4:3 format of the average screen conflicts with the normal page size/shape to start with, causing learning issues. You no longer have the manual "sitting on your desk" for you to work through and learn - now it's hidden as electronic stuff in your computer somewhere. It can be too difficult to just quickly look something up - you have to sit down and start up the computer rather than just grab the book off the shelf and flick through it.
Bugger all thought is given to the communication/learning issues - just to how much money can be saved. I really wonder if it's going to end in tears somewhere, one day....
And you have to pay for a hard copy alternative? Disgraceful, guys. For crying out loud - just say "no"!
If you want Company-provided operational information in hard-copy format you have to pay for it? The only free alternative is a CD?
I worry greatly about this ever-increasing push to have operational info provided electronically. Many people do not study as effectively when reading a screen as opposed to reading paper. The 4:3 format of the average screen conflicts with the normal page size/shape to start with, causing learning issues. You no longer have the manual "sitting on your desk" for you to work through and learn - now it's hidden as electronic stuff in your computer somewhere. It can be too difficult to just quickly look something up - you have to sit down and start up the computer rather than just grab the book off the shelf and flick through it.
Bugger all thought is given to the communication/learning issues - just to how much money can be saved. I really wonder if it's going to end in tears somewhere, one day....
And you have to pay for a hard copy alternative? Disgraceful, guys. For crying out loud - just say "no"!
flyingins you have me curious, how much is this 'very small amount'?
(a) $5 to $20
(b) $20 to $50
(c) $50 to $150
(d) $150 to $300
bummer, I cant do an 'all of the above' answer.
(a) $5 to $20
(b) $20 to $50
(c) $50 to $150
(d) $150 to $300
bummer, I cant do an 'all of the above' answer.
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At least they get an option.
KA only issue CD Rom versions of FCOM (or on intranet) but a hard copy is short term loan only during training in a crappy plastic folder falling to bits.
Bravo to Jetstar for getting with the times. Hard copies are from a bygone era, electronic reading material is here to stay and saves the business a lot of money.
Its always the case, the employees at the encumbant cannot stand to see the LCC doing things differently. Learn from abroad fellah's, its the new boys on the block driving the innovation these days, not the flag carriers.
CATCH UP.
KA only issue CD Rom versions of FCOM (or on intranet) but a hard copy is short term loan only during training in a crappy plastic folder falling to bits.
Bravo to Jetstar for getting with the times. Hard copies are from a bygone era, electronic reading material is here to stay and saves the business a lot of money.
Its always the case, the employees at the encumbant cannot stand to see the LCC doing things differently. Learn from abroad fellah's, its the new boys on the block driving the innovation these days, not the flag carriers.
CATCH UP.
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Interesting discussion. Company-provided operational information is provided free in hard copy. Aircraft manuals are provided on disk as a reference. These aircraft specific manuals ( Airbus ), in hard copy, will cost if wanted by the pilot and will not be controlled. A little like getting a hard copy of a generic flight manual for Eastern. These manuals, however also provide operational details for the aircraft they are in including Airbus recommended calls, emergency procedures, normal procedures etc.
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I heard it was a figure around the $180.00 mark, happy to stand corrected.
The JPC are renowned for successful negotiations, just look at the narrow body and wide body agreement they signed off. Basically there is no more negotiation on their behalf as to a new aircraft type, so the deal they signed off is binding forever or until they all sign AWA's. JPC can be saluted for that one can't they?
WAnQrKa, enlighten me, where is the innovation? in LCC's, that would be why BA got rid of GO for canibilising the flag carrier. Or why Jetstar Asia has had over a hundred million dollars pumped into it and it is still a failure. Or why Jetstar has lost 3.5 million dollars across the Tasman to Christchurch since December last year, great innovation there.
The JPC are renowned for successful negotiations, just look at the narrow body and wide body agreement they signed off. Basically there is no more negotiation on their behalf as to a new aircraft type, so the deal they signed off is binding forever or until they all sign AWA's. JPC can be saluted for that one can't they?
WAnQrKa, enlighten me, where is the innovation? in LCC's, that would be why BA got rid of GO for canibilising the flag carrier. Or why Jetstar Asia has had over a hundred million dollars pumped into it and it is still a failure. Or why Jetstar has lost 3.5 million dollars across the Tasman to Christchurch since December last year, great innovation there.
There is no innovation. Most companies have electronic copies available they just don't charge for the rest.
Its about as innovative as charging for endoresements an d earning crap money and working 24/7.
Some one needs to get out more often.
Its about as innovative as charging for endoresements an d earning crap money and working 24/7.
its the new boys on the block driving the innovation these days, not the flag carriers.
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flyingins, thank you for your advice. I'll file it where the sun doesn't shine.
If, and if doesn't apply to JQ, the organisation was set up for electronic manuals, and if the disc was user friendly, it would be appropriate to have electronic manuals as the only reference source.
Until that time, manual amendents are required to be supplied by the company.
If, and if doesn't apply to JQ, the organisation was set up for electronic manuals, and if the disc was user friendly, it would be appropriate to have electronic manuals as the only reference source.
Until that time, manual amendents are required to be supplied by the company.
AnQrKa,
I will never agree that electronic manuals are better than paper. Get with the way of the world? I'm not sure I want to do that given your outfit's safety record. I wonder how much that could be put down to electronic manuals. They may be cheap, but they're nasty.
I will never agree that electronic manuals are better than paper. Get with the way of the world? I'm not sure I want to do that given your outfit's safety record. I wonder how much that could be put down to electronic manuals. They may be cheap, but they're nasty.