Virgin Blue Order 9 Boeings
Leasing ex MAS B744s - What the?
If DJ was to look at QF's experience with ex MAS B744s, they wouldn't go down that path. The costs involved with keeping them servicable to normal airline standards would be prohibitive. Look at other options.
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Yep, I'll put a "side of Crownies" on that too, Con 
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I think you're right as the 777 looks hard to come by, while EK - who are parking surplus frames, are holding onto the newies they can't crew.
Happy landings
. I think you're right as the 777 looks hard to come by, while EK - who are parking surplus frames, are holding onto the newies they can't crew.
Happy landings
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So what if EK were a large minority shareholder in VB's new International/Widebody Airline ? What would stop the uncrewed B777's suddenly flying for the new airline with OZ based crews ?
The options are endless, the group conducting the study are due to report shortly (publicly at least).
The options are endless, the group conducting the study are due to report shortly (publicly at least).
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Qatar just dumped a few more 777s on the market by cancelling their order. (price arguments)
I believe a "low cost" operation would find the start up cost of the 777 prohibitive. (If the Shieks are checking their very deep pockets.....)
Two cartons on the A330-200.
(QF will start off loading some cheap 330s as the 787s roll in...hint, hint)
I believe a "low cost" operation would find the start up cost of the 777 prohibitive. (If the Shieks are checking their very deep pockets.....)
Two cartons on the A330-200.
(QF will start off loading some cheap 330s as the 787s roll in...hint, hint)
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NG?
I was going to ask the same question as Danny Crane above. Does anyone know where this "NG" term came from? Boeing's term I guess?
I initially was lead to believe it meant "New Generation". Based on the avionics upgrade I could perhaps accept "New Generation". "New" for a B737, but really late-1980s like (similar to B747-400). "Next Generation" though is a little far fetched for an aircraft with an overhead panel which is fundamentally unchanged since the B737s inception. Something to do with Southwest Airlines I believe. Oh yeah, no EICAS either, and that lovely stab trim wheel.
About the only "new" toy is the Heads Up Guidance System (HGS), which I believe isn't even standard (except on the Boeing Business Jet).
Yes... truly "Next Generation"
I initially was lead to believe it meant "New Generation". Based on the avionics upgrade I could perhaps accept "New Generation". "New" for a B737, but really late-1980s like (similar to B747-400). "Next Generation" though is a little far fetched for an aircraft with an overhead panel which is fundamentally unchanged since the B737s inception. Something to do with Southwest Airlines I believe. Oh yeah, no EICAS either, and that lovely stab trim wheel.
About the only "new" toy is the Heads Up Guidance System (HGS), which I believe isn't even standard (except on the Boeing Business Jet).
Yes... truly "Next Generation"
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I believe that the NG moniker is more for the new wing and engines than anything else. Oh also those little TV screens up the front but then the rest of the machine is fairly similar although Eicas would have been nice.
short flights long nights
and a new overhead panel would have helped as well!!!
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Although a lot more changes to the original maggot would have been nice, i think it was about 25% that was allowed by the FAA or the type would have had to be totally re-certified. (Obviously adding to the cost/time)
The cockpit also had to maintain its original layout for crew interchangability purposes so things have to appear to operate exactly the same on both aircraft (a major selling point that Boeing was lacking in compared to the french design philosophy).
This is why the o'head panel is the same with some switches (e.g elec power) that do the same things but the way they do it is different.
Hope this helps
The cockpit also had to maintain its original layout for crew interchangability purposes so things have to appear to operate exactly the same on both aircraft (a major selling point that Boeing was lacking in compared to the french design philosophy).
This is why the o'head panel is the same with some switches (e.g elec power) that do the same things but the way they do it is different.
Hope this helps
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I was going to ask the same question as Danny Crane above. Does anyone know where this "NG" term came from? Boeing's term I guess?
I initially was lead to believe it meant "New Generation". Based on the avionics upgrade I could perhaps accept "New Generation". "New" for a B737, but really late-1980s like (similar to B747-400). "Next Generation" though is a little far fetched for an aircraft with an overhead panel which is fundamentally unchanged since the B737s inception. Something to do with Southwest Airlines I believe. Oh yeah, no EICAS either, and that lovely stab trim wheel.
About the only "new" toy is the Heads Up Guidance System (HGS), which I believe isn't even standard (except on the Boeing Business Jet). :
but but what about the new wing -with those pointy things on the end- and and those toilets that sux but not flush.-and and that bigger landing gear-and those video screens in the FD -and the wtres+ smyd1 -smyd2 --
Yes... truly "Next Generation"
I was going to ask the same question as Danny Crane above. Does anyone know where this "NG" term came from? Boeing's term I guess?
I initially was lead to believe it meant "New Generation". Based on the avionics upgrade I could perhaps accept "New Generation". "New" for a B737, but really late-1980s like (similar to B747-400). "Next Generation" though is a little far fetched for an aircraft with an overhead panel which is fundamentally unchanged since the B737s inception. Something to do with Southwest Airlines I believe. Oh yeah, no EICAS either, and that lovely stab trim wheel.
About the only "new" toy is the Heads Up Guidance System (HGS), which I believe isn't even standard (except on the Boeing Business Jet). :
but but what about the new wing -with those pointy things on the end- and and those toilets that sux but not flush.-and and that bigger landing gear-and those video screens in the FD -and the wtres+ smyd1 -smyd2 --
Yes... truly "Next Generation"
