Dash 8 engine failure
Dash 8 engine failure
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Originally Posted by Marauder
NCD, ..it happens, big deal
Bet the punters down the back don't have the same opinion,.... and perhaps the crew feel that it was a little bit more than a bit of a bore (your emicon).
If it had happened to me I would think it WAS a big F....n deal, especially out of CB.
Anyway, if it happened, good job by the crew, and the organization that was the support and training behind them.
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2nd hand report that it was an Eastern Dash that had the engine feather itself and then subsequently shutdown. Good work by the team to get the girl back on the ground. Apparently this little event is practised on sim regularly.
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And this from the Canberra Sunday Times (won't vouch for accuracy!):
Airport emergency
Catherine Naylor
Sunday, 23 July 2006
A MELBOURNE-bound Qantas flight with 19 people on board had to make an emergency landing at Canberra Airport yesterday when one of its engines failed.
The pilot of flight QF 2811 had to abort the plane's journey to Melbourne and return to Canberra after an indicator light warned him of a problem with one of the two engines on the Dash 8 QantasLink aircraft. It was carrying 16 passengers and three crew.
Airservices Australia said the situation had been a local emergency, requiring the airport's emergency services to prepare for a bad landing.
The flight left the terminal as scheduled at 4pm, but as the plane was lifting into the air, the pilot became aware of the engine trouble.
He immediately alerted air-traffic control in Canberra, which organised for the flight's urgent return to the airport.
Airport emergency-services crews were put on notice and trailed the plane down the runway as it landed 20 minutes later.
An off-duty pilot was watching the plane from an airport viewing area as it landed. He told the Canberra Sunday Times he could see that the propeller on one of its two engines was not working.
The passengers remained on board the aircraft for five minutes after landing. They were transferred on to the next Qantas flight to Melbourne, QF 819, which left at 5.30pm and landed an hour later. The Dash 8 was grounded so inspections on the engine could be carried out. Last night it was still sitting on the runway at Canberra Airport.
A Qantas spokeswoman confirmed the problem had "something to do with the number one engine" but could not say what exactly was wrong because inspections were continuing. "Our captains are trained to land an aircraft with one engine."
She could not say how often engines failed on flights.
A spokesman for Airservices Australia said air-traffic control had informed emergency services of the returning flight. "They were in the trucks and ready to operate. They would have been on site within two to three minutes [if the landing had not gone as planned]."
He said pilots trained every six to 12 months in landing a plane after engine failure.
QantasLink bought seven new Dash 8 Q400 planes earlier this year, at a cost of $200 million. Two of the aircraft are due to start operating on the Canberra-Sydney route in August.
The plane involved in yesterday's emergency was an older-style Dash 8.
Catherine Naylor
Sunday, 23 July 2006
A MELBOURNE-bound Qantas flight with 19 people on board had to make an emergency landing at Canberra Airport yesterday when one of its engines failed.
The pilot of flight QF 2811 had to abort the plane's journey to Melbourne and return to Canberra after an indicator light warned him of a problem with one of the two engines on the Dash 8 QantasLink aircraft. It was carrying 16 passengers and three crew.
Airservices Australia said the situation had been a local emergency, requiring the airport's emergency services to prepare for a bad landing.
The flight left the terminal as scheduled at 4pm, but as the plane was lifting into the air, the pilot became aware of the engine trouble.
He immediately alerted air-traffic control in Canberra, which organised for the flight's urgent return to the airport.
Airport emergency-services crews were put on notice and trailed the plane down the runway as it landed 20 minutes later.
An off-duty pilot was watching the plane from an airport viewing area as it landed. He told the Canberra Sunday Times he could see that the propeller on one of its two engines was not working.
The passengers remained on board the aircraft for five minutes after landing. They were transferred on to the next Qantas flight to Melbourne, QF 819, which left at 5.30pm and landed an hour later. The Dash 8 was grounded so inspections on the engine could be carried out. Last night it was still sitting on the runway at Canberra Airport.
A Qantas spokeswoman confirmed the problem had "something to do with the number one engine" but could not say what exactly was wrong because inspections were continuing. "Our captains are trained to land an aircraft with one engine."
She could not say how often engines failed on flights.
A spokesman for Airservices Australia said air-traffic control had informed emergency services of the returning flight. "They were in the trucks and ready to operate. They would have been on site within two to three minutes [if the landing had not gone as planned]."
He said pilots trained every six to 12 months in landing a plane after engine failure.
QantasLink bought seven new Dash 8 Q400 planes earlier this year, at a cost of $200 million. Two of the aircraft are due to start operating on the Canberra-Sydney route in August.
The plane involved in yesterday's emergency was an older-style Dash 8.
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A good friend of mine flies for Porter Airlines in Toronto. He said during training on the Q400 most of the other students at FlightSafety were Australians. That's a long way to send you for training.
What model was the Dash involved in the incident?
What model was the Dash involved in the incident?
Weasil,
It sure is a long way to Toronto for Sim, particularly considering we have to go via JFK instead of LAX direct. Apparently American Airlines don't acknowledge QantasLink but do Qantas for Interline Staff Fares. Conversion training was 12 days away and 6 month checks are 7 days
It sure is a long way to Toronto for Sim, particularly considering we have to go via JFK instead of LAX direct. Apparently American Airlines don't acknowledge QantasLink but do Qantas for Interline Staff Fares. Conversion training was 12 days away and 6 month checks are 7 days
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After just speaking to the crew....... Talk about bad luck......
They had an elevator/pitch jam too on the previous sector to Wagga, the commander had to come back and hand fly an RNAV, in icing conditions, with multiple Vref additives and nearly blew a tire on landing due to the high approach speed.
If that wasnt bad enough, on their CB chaser, an unscheduled feather on the #1 and the poor FO had to hand fly the bad boy OEI around a DME arc onto the VOR approach again in icing conditions !.
The 'FO' was actually quite a senior training captain who was in the RHS due to the current shortage of FO's which is very lucky as apparently he flew a near perfect profile descent on the arc - all worked out in his head, whilst hand flying in very challenging conditions !
Well done ! Sounds like a 2+ performance all 'round to me !
Good prep for cyclic 438!
They had an elevator/pitch jam too on the previous sector to Wagga, the commander had to come back and hand fly an RNAV, in icing conditions, with multiple Vref additives and nearly blew a tire on landing due to the high approach speed.
If that wasnt bad enough, on their CB chaser, an unscheduled feather on the #1 and the poor FO had to hand fly the bad boy OEI around a DME arc onto the VOR approach again in icing conditions !.
The 'FO' was actually quite a senior training captain who was in the RHS due to the current shortage of FO's which is very lucky as apparently he flew a near perfect profile descent on the arc - all worked out in his head, whilst hand flying in very challenging conditions !
Well done ! Sounds like a 2+ performance all 'round to me !
Good prep for cyclic 438!
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Sounds like those guys did a great job in difficult circumstances. Do you have a lot of ILS approaches or more RNAV? I mean I have to assume they flew the best approach available to them.
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Well I don't know about in Australia or the UK but in the USA an ILS approach is a precision approach procedure which uses VHF navigation signals. An RNAV approach is one flown using the FMS (GPS/VHF Blend) and is a non-precision approach. (Sorry for the thread drift).
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How do you "almost" blow a tyre?
Is that like "almost" getting pregnant?
Tropper H: We're all trained to do the "profile management" mentally. A lot of emphasis is placed on it in the sim
Jeez you're a tough taskmaster
I would have given them a 3+ or 4
The day's duty sounds exactly like your typical Cyclic scenario. Hopefully the guys will consequently be signed off for 438 or 439
Drshmoo, see above. We're doing Cyclics every 3 months, so this situation would have held a sense of dejavu for the crew. They certainly would have been "current". An all engines operating approach is unusual in the sim.
Tropper H: We're all trained to do the "profile management" mentally. A lot of emphasis is placed on it in the sim
Well done ! Sounds like a 2+ performance all 'round to me !
I would have given them a 3+ or 4 The day's duty sounds exactly like your typical Cyclic scenario. Hopefully the guys will consequently be signed off for 438 or 439
Drshmoo, see above. We're doing Cyclics every 3 months, so this situation would have held a sense of dejavu for the crew. They certainly would have been "current". An all engines operating approach is unusual in the sim.
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Yeah right, it happens!!! No big deal, sure!!!
Bet the punters down the back don't have the same opinion,.... and perhaps the crew feel that it was a little bit more than a bit of a bore (your emicon).
Bet the punters down the back don't have the same opinion,.... and perhaps the crew feel that it was a little bit more than a bit of a bore (your emicon).
We're doing Cyclics every 3 months, so this situation would have held a sense of dejavu for the crew
Any bets on the rego? I will get in first with VH-TQF.
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Wee,
good ol' "one way Foxtrot"
I remember shutting one down in a 300 on the way back from CB a couple of years ago. We had exactly the same response from the cabin
. The only notable exception being a former Leader of the Opposition that decided to shake my hand and thank me profusely in front of a full cabin. Still trying to work out why?
Tried to get out of my next Cyclic, but the boss at the time failed to see the humour
As long as you don't get too enthusiastic with the Condition Lever, the PAX won't even know until you tell 'em
good ol' "one way Foxtrot"
Dash 8 engine failure going into Melbourne a few months back - pax could hardly care less. Some went back to sleep!
. The only notable exception being a former Leader of the Opposition that decided to shake my hand and thank me profusely in front of a full cabin. Still trying to work out why? Tried to get out of my next Cyclic, but the boss at the time failed to see the humour
As long as you don't get too enthusiastic with the Condition Lever, the PAX won't even know until you tell 'em