Merimbula-Man leaps from plane set for take off
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Merimbula-Man leaps from plane set for take off
Just saw this on the SMH web site.
Somewhat interesting i think.
A man opened the door of a plane and jumped out as it prepared for take-off at a South Coast airport this morning.
The 33-year-old man, who is believed to be American, jumped out while the Regional Express plane's engines were running at Merimbula Airport.
The plane, which was stationary, had been readying for a flight to Melbourne about 11am.
The SAAB 340's doors had been closed and locked for take-off when the man sprang from his seat and demanded to be let off, police said.
A crew member was believed to have told the man he was unable to get off, but he then opened the plane's door and jumped out, police said.
"The man jumped out of plane and onto the tarmac,'' a police spokeswoman said.
"The pilot, seeing the man on the ground, instigated emergency procedures to shut the engine down.
"The airport staff held the man until police and ambulance arrived.
"The man, believed to be an American citizen, was taken to Pambula hospital for assessment.
"No crew members or passengers were harmed and there was no damage to the plane.''
Police believe someone from the plane restrained the man after he ran onto the tarmac.
The man was in custody pending further investigations, police said.
An ambulance was called to Merimbula airport about 11am, but the man had not been injured and no treatment was required, a spokesman said.
Comment was being sought from Regional Express.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...335852028.html
Somewhat interesting i think.
A man opened the door of a plane and jumped out as it prepared for take-off at a South Coast airport this morning.
The 33-year-old man, who is believed to be American, jumped out while the Regional Express plane's engines were running at Merimbula Airport.
The plane, which was stationary, had been readying for a flight to Melbourne about 11am.
The SAAB 340's doors had been closed and locked for take-off when the man sprang from his seat and demanded to be let off, police said.
A crew member was believed to have told the man he was unable to get off, but he then opened the plane's door and jumped out, police said.
"The man jumped out of plane and onto the tarmac,'' a police spokeswoman said.
"The pilot, seeing the man on the ground, instigated emergency procedures to shut the engine down.
"The airport staff held the man until police and ambulance arrived.
"The man, believed to be an American citizen, was taken to Pambula hospital for assessment.
"No crew members or passengers were harmed and there was no damage to the plane.''
Police believe someone from the plane restrained the man after he ran onto the tarmac.
The man was in custody pending further investigations, police said.
An ambulance was called to Merimbula airport about 11am, but the man had not been injured and no treatment was required, a spokesman said.
Comment was being sought from Regional Express.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...335852028.html
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Very interesting post.
It makes me wonder what's happening in the Australian industry these days when I hear stories like this. It would be instructive to know which crew member said that the passenger was 'unable to get off'. Was it flight or cabin crew? What information and training are those in regional GA given these days? Bizarre...
The only correct response in a senario like this is that the aeroplane returns to the terminal and the passenger and his bags are let off. You simply wear the delay and get on with it. Why take a problem into the air?
Mate the possible legal consequenses that the crew and company could now face do not bear contemplation.
It makes me wonder what's happening in the Australian industry these days when I hear stories like this. It would be instructive to know which crew member said that the passenger was 'unable to get off'. Was it flight or cabin crew? What information and training are those in regional GA given these days? Bizarre...
The only correct response in a senario like this is that the aeroplane returns to the terminal and the passenger and his bags are let off. You simply wear the delay and get on with it. Why take a problem into the air?
Mate the possible legal consequenses that the crew and company could now face do not bear contemplation.
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Bong or Bong Head, whatever you call yourself!
I think you need to get the facts before throwing any stones my friend.!!!
After speaking with the crew personally after the incident, the fact was that the person involved lept from his seat after the Cpt had started the left engine, pushed the FA out of the way and opened the door himself!!!
For you to say that the training the REX pilots receive for an incident like this could have led to this situation is quite ignorant.
I know for a fact that the company would never encourage or allow the crew to T/O with a passenger who is clearly distressed.
I'm sure there is more to come!!!!!
I think you need to get the facts before throwing any stones my friend.!!!
After speaking with the crew personally after the incident, the fact was that the person involved lept from his seat after the Cpt had started the left engine, pushed the FA out of the way and opened the door himself!!!
For you to say that the training the REX pilots receive for an incident like this could have led to this situation is quite ignorant.
I know for a fact that the company would never encourage or allow the crew to T/O with a passenger who is clearly distressed.
I'm sure there is more to come!!!!!
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Geyecarloscastenenda, "The facts are??" ... What??
Funny how what you cite the crew as saying differs markedly from what was quoted in the newspaper. I note that the SMH say the Police claim that the man demended to be let off the aircraft. It is also alleged that he was told that he could not get off. That the man opened the door himself is not in question! What is in question is if he expressed a wish to be let off and if this request was denied.
Interestingly, witnesses are being sought in this incident (according to the SMH) and I would have more faith in their account than in what the crew have to say.
If a pax asks to be taken off a flight the crew is compelled to oblige. Failing to do so is a criminal offence.
Even heard of kidnapping? How about false inprisonment? Assault? These are the offences that a crew would face if a passenger is taken for a "ride" against their will.
Funny how what you cite the crew as saying differs markedly from what was quoted in the newspaper. I note that the SMH say the Police claim that the man demended to be let off the aircraft. It is also alleged that he was told that he could not get off. That the man opened the door himself is not in question! What is in question is if he expressed a wish to be let off and if this request was denied.
Interestingly, witnesses are being sought in this incident (according to the SMH) and I would have more faith in their account than in what the crew have to say.
If a pax asks to be taken off a flight the crew is compelled to oblige. Failing to do so is a criminal offence.
Even heard of kidnapping? How about false inprisonment? Assault? These are the offences that a crew would face if a passenger is taken for a "ride" against their will.
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If a pax asks to be taken off a flight the crew is compelled to oblige. Failing to do so is a criminal offence.
Even heard of kidnapping? How about false inprisonment? Assault? These are the offences that a crew would face if a passenger is taken for a "ride" against their will.
Even heard of kidnapping? How about false inprisonment? Assault? These are the offences that a crew would face if a passenger is taken for a "ride" against their will.
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It depends on your point of view - the aircraft was off stand but on the ground. To a passenger that means the flight hasn't begun yet but to the crew it pretty much has. Maybe part of the safety brief should include details of the relevant Air legislation for the operator's country specifying the legal requirement for the crew to operate the aircraft safely and for the passengers to co-operate accordingly so we don't get this "KIDNAPPING!" stuff every time some nutbar tries to "escape".
part of the safety brief should include details of the relevant Air legislation for the operator's country
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Usually its the other way round, with late pax arriving with the plane on the tarmac demanding to get on as it hasnt left yet, even with the props spinning.
Happened to Emu at KGC 12 months ago as well as Kendell in Port Lincoln.
Amazing considering that the "security fences" are all in place at these ports.
Still isn't the first nor will it be the last methinks
Happened to Emu at KGC 12 months ago as well as Kendell in Port Lincoln.
Amazing considering that the "security fences" are all in place at these ports.
Still isn't the first nor will it be the last methinks
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Duty of Care?
Left engine, right engine, who knows which engine was started first. Rex says the right, G Cantstandya says the left, SMH says both. I'd have to say it'b hard to trust the SMH to get the story 100% correct.
The crew may be compelled to oblige letting someone off the aircraft and maybe they were going to but they also have a duty of care to keep passengers safe including the guy wanting to exit. If both engines were running, which sound like they wern't, he could have been mince meat.
Sounds like the guy was in too much of a hurry to get off and interpretation could have been confused with, you can't get off right now! Only the crew knows exactly what happened? So I think duty of care over all passengers rather than kidnapping would be legally acceptable. Maybe?
The crew may be compelled to oblige letting someone off the aircraft and maybe they were going to but they also have a duty of care to keep passengers safe including the guy wanting to exit. If both engines were running, which sound like they wern't, he could have been mince meat.
Sounds like the guy was in too much of a hurry to get off and interpretation could have been confused with, you can't get off right now! Only the crew knows exactly what happened? So I think duty of care over all passengers rather than kidnapping would be legally acceptable. Maybe?
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I believe that ralph seems to be batting for another team, his misguided belief that rex is "regional GA " can only be attributed to his ignorance of who rex are and that is a capable and professional airline.I can only from expeirence testify to rex's crew level of professionalism and training.To make broad generalisations of the incident, especially being based on "the medias" account ,is foolhardy at its best.ME thinks that a mentally unstable person is far from reason, even if they are mentally stable but have a deep seated fear their actions when motivated by said fear can see their actions become irrational and or dangerous to themselves and people around them.I have also personally seen this when travelling as a passenger when someone became irrational during flight and believe me that person was far from being able to reason clearly. Again the crew's responsibility's are directly linked to the distressed passenger AND the other passengers safety who could also enter harms way due to said passengers actions.
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Originally Posted by Roger Roger
The SAAB 340's doors had been closed and locked for take-off when the man sprang from his seat and demanded to be let off, police said.
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