717 needs a new donk and other shenanigans!
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717 needs a new donk and other shenanigans!
My my Nat Jet are having some dramas with the 717 lately. 1 in Cairns (NXB) needs a new donk, RR and Boeing tests to come, and the old (IMD) I think its now (NXI) is missing one engine in perth and basically is being 'rebuilt', 1 option is it should be ditched off fremantle its in that good of shape. Which F*&^%N idiot at Qantas made the decision to send Nat Jet the oldest (except for 2) 717s but yet there are 4 of the newest jets in Brisbane sitting there doing nothing? And don't even mention the spare parts issues, 8 days for an engine replacement apparently! In perth the old 146 (in national jet colours) have been forced to do qantaslink flights as flights have simply been cancelled thanks to the reliability of our new toy. 
I would like to respectfully suggest that there are a zillion possible reasons why this decision was made, not all of which would be stupid ones made by a "F*&^%N idiot". Availability of rotable spares, internal configuration and maintenance schedules come immediately to mind.
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Could that be the old JQ 717 IMD that was kept in Sydney as a spare aircraft??
I know of a few times that JQ had downgraded A320 flights to the 717 because of a 320 going U/S. Only to have IMD go U/S after a return sector.
I know of a few times that JQ had downgraded A320 flights to the 717 because of a 320 going U/S. Only to have IMD go U/S after a return sector.
I think its now (NXI) is missing one engine in perth and basically is being 'rebuilt', 1 option is it should be ditched off fremantle its in that good of shape.
there are 4 of the newest jets in Brisbane sitting there doing nothing?
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I agree with Boeingwest our B717 operation is fast becoming a debacle and giving NJS a really bad name . Even the 146 was more reliable !!!!!!! with all the BHP work coming up for grabs it could not hapen at a worse time. fingers crossed we can get this sorted quick time
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mustv been doing 1 engine ferries Bloggs 
Boeing, I reckon the %$#@# idiot is at NJs and said something like " yeh, we'll take the oldest, cheapest to lease ones, thats our specialty "
Still, the competition in the West must be rubbing their hands together
Boeing, I reckon the %$#@# idiot is at NJs and said something like " yeh, we'll take the oldest, cheapest to lease ones, thats our specialty "
Still, the competition in the West must be rubbing their hands together
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And in today's news NXB after some time being trouble shot in PER with a technical issue was ferried to CNS for further trouble shooting when alas was decided to be ferried back to PER only to land in Alice for a Tech crew change and hasn't left since. On advice from some most unhappy engineers in Alice the aircraft was moved well out of the way due to the possibility of it being there for quite some time.
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Those MD-80s in Japan didn't have such great JT8Ds as I recall. Maybe Boeing should have put V2500s on the 717s as with the MD-90 but I guess RR/BMW really wanted to sell some BR700s and offered a very good deal.
Those MD-80s in Japan didn't have such great JT8Ds as I recall. Maybe Boeing should have put V2500s on the 717s as with the MD-90 but I guess RR/BMW really wanted to sell some BR700s and offered a very good deal.
Why not RR Tays?
Makes an F100 sound a lot bigger than it is. Guess they must've gotten a good deal with RR/BMW for those 715s as you say MarkD.
Any surplus Ansett Speys kicking about? BOOOOOOOM.
Makes an F100 sound a lot bigger than it is. Guess they must've gotten a good deal with RR/BMW for those 715s as you say MarkD.
Any surplus Ansett Speys kicking about? BOOOOOOOM.
When Boeing selected the BR715 powerplant for the B717, all the industry "experts" raved about how good the BR700 series engines were:- in particular "state of the art" tecnology in the hot section, advanced fuel management and very low specific fuel consumption.
From the comments expressed in this thread, i guess that the industry "experts" didn't know what they were talking about.
From the comments expressed in this thread, i guess that the industry "experts" didn't know what they were talking about.
GB,
I wouldn't count the above as "experts" on said donk. This is a bullsh1t network, after all. And the 715 sure as hell doesn't konk out in rain like the 737 hairdryers have been known to, the both of them at the same time, on more than one occasion.
The only problem with the 715 is they didn't put an afterburner on it!
I wouldn't count the above as "experts" on said donk. This is a bullsh1t network, after all. And the 715 sure as hell doesn't konk out in rain like the 737 hairdryers have been known to, the both of them at the same time, on more than one occasion.
The only problem with the 715 is they didn't put an afterburner on it!
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Boeingwest, age of an aeroplane has nothing to do with dispatch reliability.
There are still DC-3's in service.
Maybe something more to do with the rotables etc that Sunfish talks about being in Newcastle.
Take out your atlas of Australia. Find Perth WA. Place five red dots there. Draw several dashed lines to places north such as NWN, PHE, KTA. Find Cairns QLD. Place one red dot there. Draw a line across the country to Perth going over ASP and AYE. Find Darwin NT. Place two red dots there. Draw one line down to ASP connecting it to the one ASP-PER, and add another line DRW-GOV-CNS.
Then take an orange pen and draw five squares around Newcastle, representing the $50 million in spares and rotables that Jetstar held there to support 14 seven-seventeens. Fill in one square with your blue texta, representing the $10 million in spares and rotables that Qantas has said is plenty for NatJet to support 8 seven-seventeens.
Finally sit back and look at your colourful diagram. Note the location and size of the spares inventory with relation to the NatJet seven-seventeen routes and engineering bases.
Bloody hell, not even the Lada dealer and service network looked like that!!
There are still DC-3's in service.
Maybe something more to do with the rotables etc that Sunfish talks about being in Newcastle.
Take out your atlas of Australia. Find Perth WA. Place five red dots there. Draw several dashed lines to places north such as NWN, PHE, KTA. Find Cairns QLD. Place one red dot there. Draw a line across the country to Perth going over ASP and AYE. Find Darwin NT. Place two red dots there. Draw one line down to ASP connecting it to the one ASP-PER, and add another line DRW-GOV-CNS.
Then take an orange pen and draw five squares around Newcastle, representing the $50 million in spares and rotables that Jetstar held there to support 14 seven-seventeens. Fill in one square with your blue texta, representing the $10 million in spares and rotables that Qantas has said is plenty for NatJet to support 8 seven-seventeens.
Finally sit back and look at your colourful diagram. Note the location and size of the spares inventory with relation to the NatJet seven-seventeen routes and engineering bases.
Bloody hell, not even the Lada dealer and service network looked like that!!
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The only problem with the 715 is they didn't put an afterburner on it!
Yeah Bloggs, but "Smoke On.....GO!!"
Looks spectacular, and fitted standard. Those canny Germans.
Yeah Bloggs, but "Smoke On.....GO!!"
Looks spectacular, and fitted standard. Those canny Germans.
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It's true that the 717 doesn't like sitting on the ground for days on end, they do come back from a rest being a bit cranky. Once you start putting the hours on them they go very well from an engineering viewpoint. Having a licence on the 717 and the Quadrapuff I know what I'd work on anytime. You're never bored when a 146 is on the ground and that was pretty often. I think the oldest 717 was VQB or VQC. One was a test a/c for McD. If NJS has insufficent spares to support the a/c that's their problem. I think some Newcastle people are over in ADL helping with some checks at present. That may help improve relations with NJS after they tried to stitch up a Newy LAME just after they got them.
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If NJS has insufficent spares to support the a/c that's their problem.
their aircraft their spares and their passengers being inconvenienced and their money paying for it
That may help improve relations with NJS after they tried to stitch up a Newy LAME just after they got them.
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Originally Posted by MarkD
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Those MD-80s in Japan didn't have such great JT8Ds as I recall. Maybe Boeing should have put V2500s on the 717s as with the MD-90 but I guess RR/BMW really wanted to sell some BR700s and offered a very good deal.
Those MD-80s in Japan didn't have such great JT8Ds as I recall. Maybe Boeing should have put V2500s on the 717s as with the MD-90 but I guess RR/BMW really wanted to sell some BR700s and offered a very good deal.
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717 = DC 9 with a hot cam & 20 thou off the head right 
The engine change time record for the DC 9 (JT8D- 7A) was 2 hours including run up (chock to chock).
Given enough QEC's..........where's the problem ?
The engine change time record for the DC 9 (JT8D- 7A) was 2 hours including run up (chock to chock).
Given enough QEC's..........where's the problem ?
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took me a while to find this:
20 JAN 2004 JAS grounds 12 jets with engine cracks
Japan Air System (JAS) found engine cracks on twelve out of the sixteen MD-81/87 planes checked thus far. In total, 13 Pratt & Whitney JT8D-217 engines out of 29 checked had cracks, JAS said. Three planes that were found with one faulty engine, and thus subject to grounding anyway, did not have the other engine checked in the interests of saving time. (AFP)
Japan Air System (JAS) found engine cracks on twelve out of the sixteen MD-81/87 planes checked thus far. In total, 13 Pratt & Whitney JT8D-217 engines out of 29 checked had cracks, JAS said. Three planes that were found with one faulty engine, and thus subject to grounding anyway, did not have the other engine checked in the interests of saving time. (AFP)
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Renurrp,
from what the boys tell me it would seem that QF don't give a flying F%$# about the pax or the operation for that matter, a conspiracy theorist would almost go as far as to say that QF want to see it fail
f all spares, engineers, pilots, etc.
from what the boys tell me it would seem that QF don't give a flying F%$# about the pax or the operation for that matter, a conspiracy theorist would almost go as far as to say that QF want to see it fail
f all spares, engineers, pilots, etc.