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Be careful polishing the P-76, the paint is very thin. You may end up polishing whatever shine is left, right off !
PS: Happy Mothers Day to all the "Flying Mothers" out there !
PS: Happy Mothers Day to all the "Flying Mothers" out there !
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Woomera ,I don't get the threat to cut this thread . What exactly is wrong with expressions of free speech that are neither offensive or harmful?
There aren't too many places other than the internet were it this is practised and self censorship ,as practised by all posters on this thread appears to me to be working brilliantly.
Obvious deterioration into a "bitchin' session " is viewed very seriously by the moderators but I worry about where exactly that point is going to be reached ( we are obviously close) and we are yet again uncerimoniously dumped , suitably chastised of course, to darker and more distant locations of Prrune.
Anyway keep up the good work boys 'n girls , I am enjoying your work immensely evn if others aren't .Maybe enjoy it while it lasts ?The Pprune lads are obviously easily hurt and offended by your raucous behaviour.tsk tsk
There aren't too many places other than the internet were it this is practised and self censorship ,as practised by all posters on this thread appears to me to be working brilliantly.
Obvious deterioration into a "bitchin' session " is viewed very seriously by the moderators but I worry about where exactly that point is going to be reached ( we are obviously close) and we are yet again uncerimoniously dumped , suitably chastised of course, to darker and more distant locations of Prrune.
Anyway keep up the good work boys 'n girls , I am enjoying your work immensely evn if others aren't .Maybe enjoy it while it lasts ?The Pprune lads are obviously easily hurt and offended by your raucous behaviour.tsk tsk
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Good pic and I don't even remember a station wagon version of the illustrious P-76.....
If you go to the AIRC web site and go to transcripts and search for any case involving QF ,you might be surprised as to how many cases have involved QF..is it the employees or is it the employer ...interesting ?
Good pic and I don't even remember a station wagon version of the illustrious P-76.....
If you go to the AIRC web site and go to transcripts and search for any case involving QF ,you might be surprised as to how many cases have involved QF..is it the employees or is it the employer ...interesting ?
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Ego's 'n stuff.
One of the things about being a Pilot is having a very well developed ego. The only other group of professionals I've seen that have egoistic tendencies to the same degree are Surgeons and perhaps some stage actors.
The reason is obvious. You are performing in real time and there are drastic consequences if you make a serious mistake. The difference again is that you are doing something in real time. It's different for a lawyer, businessman or engineer because you can usually sleep on your problems and have another go at a solution the next day. Not so Surgeons or Pilots. You have maybe one or two chances to get something right and you cannot postpone the decision or the action. This requires a very strong belief in one self - ie: Ego. Both professions self select people with this necessary trait.
Of course there is a downside to this as evidenced by:
(a) The endless "mines bigger than yours" contests on pprune and elsewhere.
(b) The "three wives" syndrome I know one surgeon who used to juggle two girlfriends and one wife and he was in his 50's. Great Surgeon too.
(c) The endless catiness about perks, rank, seniority and external forms of recognition. I suspect that half the banter about security screening is due to outrage at aircrew not being treated as "special" by screeners.
(d) The outrage expressed by some pilot/posters here about being impeded/ ordered/ requested/ instructed to do something by a screener/policeman/manager/cabin crew - ie a person who has not reached the exalted rank of pilot.
Is it therefore any wonder that cabin crew occasionally get miffed at being treated as second class citizens?
I would prefer to be a passenegr in an aircraft piloted by someone with an excellent high decibel ego. I just wish it was possible to turn the ego down after landing.
The reason is obvious. You are performing in real time and there are drastic consequences if you make a serious mistake. The difference again is that you are doing something in real time. It's different for a lawyer, businessman or engineer because you can usually sleep on your problems and have another go at a solution the next day. Not so Surgeons or Pilots. You have maybe one or two chances to get something right and you cannot postpone the decision or the action. This requires a very strong belief in one self - ie: Ego. Both professions self select people with this necessary trait.
Of course there is a downside to this as evidenced by:
(a) The endless "mines bigger than yours" contests on pprune and elsewhere.
(b) The "three wives" syndrome I know one surgeon who used to juggle two girlfriends and one wife and he was in his 50's. Great Surgeon too.
(c) The endless catiness about perks, rank, seniority and external forms of recognition. I suspect that half the banter about security screening is due to outrage at aircrew not being treated as "special" by screeners.
(d) The outrage expressed by some pilot/posters here about being impeded/ ordered/ requested/ instructed to do something by a screener/policeman/manager/cabin crew - ie a person who has not reached the exalted rank of pilot.
Is it therefore any wonder that cabin crew occasionally get miffed at being treated as second class citizens?
I would prefer to be a passenegr in an aircraft piloted by someone with an excellent high decibel ego. I just wish it was possible to turn the ego down after landing.
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why is it?
that since we migrated to this forum a number of pilots issues/comments turn up here?
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WOOMERA, i do agree with franks comments.we are at times showing our emotions in our comments, thats why we are good in dealing with people and people related issues. most of us are after all extraverts.
no checklist to refer to (standard and non standard).
triadic post QF CC vs AOPA..a point of order pls! freedom of speech also carries the provisor if you dont like it dont read it and move on. and please dont remind me of AOPA. as a past member it has been nothing but driven by self interest and ego's for a long time.
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WOOMERA, i do agree with franks comments.we are at times showing our emotions in our comments, thats why we are good in dealing with people and people related issues. most of us are after all extraverts.
no checklist to refer to (standard and non standard). triadic post QF CC vs AOPA..a point of order pls! freedom of speech also carries the provisor if you dont like it dont read it and move on. and please dont remind me of AOPA. as a past member it has been nothing but driven by self interest and ego's for a long time.
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I don't believe there is anything wrong with tech crew posting comments on issues about cabin crew as long as they are relevant.However,I think the point that qcc2 was trying to make is that this thread is supposed to be about cc issues not technical ones.I am not sure exactly where YesTam was going with the ego post because there are people the world over with inflated ego's but.......
If tech crew want to contribute on a topic that concerns cabin crew thats fine in fact if we want to work as a team it should happen more often.
If tech crew want to contribute on a topic that concerns cabin crew thats fine in fact if we want to work as a team it should happen more often.
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AS lowerlobe said comments on issues that affect us are welcome and I'm sure that most etch crew welcome our comments.
I think what irritates us is when there is a hot issue going on and in steps a techie with insults, and that is what happened on this thread.
If you look back you will see that the first insult was slung by a pilot or a wannabe pilot and most CC wont sit there and take it.
I'm good at hurling an insult but only if provoked!
I think what irritates us is when there is a hot issue going on and in steps a techie with insults, and that is what happened on this thread.
If you look back you will see that the first insult was slung by a pilot or a wannabe pilot and most CC wont sit there and take it.
I'm good at hurling an insult but only if provoked!
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however
it appears that qf pilots did win the allowance issue related to the lax bonaventura hotel.
this of course will have a flow on effect for cabin crew. just to be seen what the faaa does about it.
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Mrpaxing,
Can you give or do you have any more details regarding the allowances case?
Are there any QF tech crew reading this who know anything about the allowances case both unions were working on ?
Can you give or do you have any more details regarding the allowances case?
Are there any QF tech crew reading this who know anything about the allowances case both unions were working on ?
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There is nothing on the tech crew site regarding the allowance issue and this is from the faaa site today....
"On the 11th May the FAAA and AIPA attended an initial conference with Qantas at the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in an attempt to resolve our differences over the 2005 Allowance Review. These discussions are ongoing and we will keep you informed of developments as they occur."
It would appear a tad premature that a solution to this issue has been found .....pity about that.
"On the 11th May the FAAA and AIPA attended an initial conference with Qantas at the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in an attempt to resolve our differences over the 2005 Allowance Review. These discussions are ongoing and we will keep you informed of developments as they occur."
It would appear a tad premature that a solution to this issue has been found .....pity about that.
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S/haul decision
Well the decision regarding the seniority system has been finalised.
The ruling from the commission is on this link
Very interesting read.
http://www.airc.gov.au
080/isysquery/irl4985/3/doc
The ruling from the commission is on this link
Very interesting read.
http://www.airc.gov.au
080/isysquery/irl4985/3/doc
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now I think I get it - you mean the surgeons carry out the TCBP* operation
prior to pilots commencing with Qantas??
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"Real Time" my arse -a bus driver has to make the same decisions as a pilot but he doesn't strut into the depot like he's a God . With Jet* Int. Dixon is going to pay the boys a bus driver's wage .
now I think I get it - you mean the surgeons carry out the TCBP* operation
prior to pilots commencing with Qantas??
(*Total Charisma By- Pass)
"Real Time" my arse -a bus driver has to make the same decisions as a pilot but he doesn't strut into the depot like he's a God . With Jet* Int. Dixon is going to pay the boys a bus driver's wage .
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"Real Time" my arse -a bus driver has to make the same decisions as a pilot but he doesn't strut into the depot like he's a God . With Jet* Int. Dixon is going to pay the boys a bus driver's wage .
EXACTLY! In your typical summer stormy weather, when the bus driver has a catastrophic engine failure, he deals with it the same: He pulls over to the side of the road, jumps on the 2-way back to the depot and talks to maintenance watch. They send out a replacement bus within the hour and the problem's solved.
Now lurker@R5, in reference to your well thought out statement above: You're now in the middle of the Pacific in your 744. Weather's ****ty everywhere. Damn, some of your alternates are unexpectedly below the landing minima. Same scenario as above. How would you deal with it? Please enlighten us.
I'll supply paper and pencil. Please show all workings, or marks will be deducted.
Must be gee up lurker. I think you're just trying to get a free ride in the simulator. That can be arranged.
Brush up on your low level multiple engine failure procedures, some asymmetrics on take off and an engine out NDB approach. Rapid Depressurisation as well. Random faults as time permits. Brush on that QRH and Ops Manual, AIP. Jepp text and charts, CAO's etc for the quiz at briefing.Might even get a question from the AEPM but it's a minute part of the documentation with which we have to be familiar.
Happy to post the FT9 results here. Will rate you as a S/O to be fair as it is a S/O licence renewal.
Sim time is tight so it will be the middle of the night - we're expected to do most of our best work then anyway. Allow 5+ hours of your time so that you will get the maximum benefit. 4 hours in the sim plus briefing/debriefing time.
Msg me times you are available over the next month os so. I will need the names of you and your copilot to arrange clearance- single pilot through incapacitation is not in this exercise so you might need a friend - know a bus driver?
Passing means the pilot has a job until the next one in three months. Your job won't be on the line.
Look forward to hearing from you and a few ppruners may also be interested in the result.
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Brush up on your low level multiple engine failure procedures, some asymmetrics on take off and an engine out NDB approach. Rapid Depressurisation as well. Random faults as time permits. Brush on that QRH and Ops Manual, AIP. Jepp text and charts, CAO's etc for the quiz at briefing.Might even get a question from the AEPM but it's a minute part of the documentation with which we have to be familiar.
Happy to post the FT9 results here. Will rate you as a S/O to be fair as it is a S/O licence renewal.
Sim time is tight so it will be the middle of the night - we're expected to do most of our best work then anyway. Allow 5+ hours of your time so that you will get the maximum benefit. 4 hours in the sim plus briefing/debriefing time.
Msg me times you are available over the next month os so. I will need the names of you and your copilot to arrange clearance- single pilot through incapacitation is not in this exercise so you might need a friend - know a bus driver?
Passing means the pilot has a job until the next one in three months. Your job won't be on the line.
Look forward to hearing from you and a few ppruners may also be interested in the result.
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