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takes me back...
Aaahh, y'know, watching this thread weave it's merry meandering way through all sorts of hoo-har as brought memories flooding back. Memories of the day (this one in particular), when I sat by the pool in J'Burg and observed the QF society in action. T'was a long slip, and the 2X744 KLM crews in the hotel provided a stark and utterly depressing glimpse of what was wrong with the rat. I'm talking about the all-perveying "them and us" syndrome.
Me="techie?" hate that term. Who invented it anyway?
Them=the lovely desirables, orright some of them.
Cast my eye over to the pool and it looked like a goddamn family reunion. Damned if I could tell the "Skipper" (another silly term) from the CSM from the SO/FO/FW etc. Methinks 'What the hell? pride of Australia my ars#." they were having a ball. The FO and I immediately deserted our posts and joined 'em. One of the best layovers ever.
Don't work there anymore.
So why is that all-purveying social schism there, was it just the 744? Oh god, was it me?
Me="techie?" hate that term. Who invented it anyway?
Them=the lovely desirables, orright some of them.
Cast my eye over to the pool and it looked like a goddamn family reunion. Damned if I could tell the "Skipper" (another silly term) from the CSM from the SO/FO/FW etc. Methinks 'What the hell? pride of Australia my ars#." they were having a ball. The FO and I immediately deserted our posts and joined 'em. One of the best layovers ever.
Don't work there anymore.
So why is that all-purveying social schism there, was it just the 744? Oh god, was it me?
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As predicted the QANTAS techies have been posting their drivel even on this site.
And they wonder why the rest of the QF employee workforce have such disdain for them.
There is KARMA! just watch the jet star boys have them for breakfast, don't show them any sympathy they deserve what they get.
In our group we are sitting back and laughing, Jet star will put them where they belong........pushing lawn mowers or driving cabs.....
And they wonder why the rest of the QF employee workforce have such disdain for them.
There is KARMA! just watch the jet star boys have them for breakfast, don't show them any sympathy they deserve what they get.
In our group we are sitting back and laughing, Jet star will put them where they belong........pushing lawn mowers or driving cabs.....
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Yes you're quite right!
But there is one important factor to consider here!.
From my observation, it was the pilots that started the insults on this Cabin crew thread, At no stage were their opinions and attacks on cabin crew solicited.
I suppose the right thing to have done was to ignore it!
So maybe your post would have a bit more impact on our techie threads.
Yes you're quite right!
But there is one important factor to consider here!.
From my observation, it was the pilots that started the insults on this Cabin crew thread, At no stage were their opinions and attacks on cabin crew solicited.
I suppose the right thing to have done was to ignore it!
So maybe your post would have a bit more impact on our techie threads.
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As it appears that you aren't being asked to do anythying illegal or against your union/association rules - just do the work.
If you don't agree with the deal that your union/association has done with the company do something about it - with your union/association. Don't take it out on the company... I don't care which company.
If you are sick - take time off.
If you're not sick - go to work.
If you don't agree with the deal that your union/association has done with the company do something about it - with your union/association. Don't take it out on the company... I don't care which company.
If you are sick - take time off.
If you're not sick - go to work.
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doesn't take me back. it keeps reminding me every trip i do an f/o, s/o comes onto the bus waves a hand and sits down. no communication whatsoever. the usual personality traits.
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acars747 i can direct you to some wonderful therapists who would be of great assistance in empowering you to deal with your QF employment rejection issues. You're obviously at the second stage of the grieving process, which is anger, as you reach stage five however you will discover acceptance.
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as you reach stage five however you will discover acceptance.
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"doesn't take me back. it keeps reminding me every trip i do an f/o, s/o comes onto the bus waves a hand and sits down. no communication whatsoever. the usual personality traits"
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With an attitude like that, I will feel even more justified with not going down the back of the bus to introduce myself !
Sort of like the fact you never come up to the flight deck to introduce yourselves to us.
qcc2
With an attitude like that, I will feel even more justified with not going down the back of the bus to introduce myself !
Sort of like the fact you never come up to the flight deck to introduce yourselves to us.
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YeeHaarr...
With an attitude like that, I will feel even more justified with not going down the back of the bus to introduce myself !
Even MORE? justified, my question is; What was the original justification?
IMHO two things need to happen;
Firstly the pilot's should introduce themselves on the bus or somewhere and have the crew do a "ring-around" the room. Eg; HI!!I'm Sandy at left 5, I enjoy watersports and eating-healthy, G'Day, my name's Johnny and I look nineteen because I am (the SO.) Works well in other companies.
Secondly; the terminology needs to change. We are ALL FLightcrew, there are some pilots, and there are some flight attendants. Full stop. This "Techie" thing is absurd. Out in the world, describing yourself as a "techie" is liable to get you invited to wire-up somebody's stereo.
Whaddya all reckon? The rot has to stop sometime, and some-one has to start. O/W it's gonna be like Palestine forever.
Not that I care.
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you are wrong funbags
on most occassions i do get to meet the "techies". 
i just considered the tone of crossbleeds comments and replied with a real story. and lets face it most times you guys are late onto the bus anyway.
i just considered the tone of crossbleeds comments and replied with a real story. and lets face it most times you guys are late onto the bus anyway.
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It’s funny isn’t it when some tech crew have a shot at us for being unhappy with management and the deteriorating conditions and we all know how tech crew never complain about their job or conditions especially now with JET*.
“I will feel even more justified with not going down the back of the bus to introduce myself!”
Two points,
1: Funbags has admitted that she does not out of her way to introduce herself.
2: Funbags admits that she is a bus driver.
We both have separate jobs with completely different problems so let’s stick to the real problems at hand at that is the company and it’s relentless drive to slash conditions while at the same time increasing theirs. We already have management robots here stirring up trouble so let’s not add to that with tech and cabin crew friction and as someone else posted we are crew and like it or not we are in the same boat or aircraft if you know what I mean.
“I will feel even more justified with not going down the back of the bus to introduce myself!”
Two points,
1: Funbags has admitted that she does not out of her way to introduce herself.
2: Funbags admits that she is a bus driver.
We both have separate jobs with completely different problems so let’s stick to the real problems at hand at that is the company and it’s relentless drive to slash conditions while at the same time increasing theirs. We already have management robots here stirring up trouble so let’s not add to that with tech and cabin crew friction and as someone else posted we are crew and like it or not we are in the same boat or aircraft if you know what I mean.
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suppressing freedom of speech
yes, its a shame somebody didn't remind the pilots about solidarity during the 1981 SP dispute - those little S/Os who were pushing our bar carts up & down the aisle on the direct LAs while we were on strike for better pay & conditions -are now fully blown squincter captains......
anyway -don't you just love the way the FAAA exec -has banned their office storm troopers from posting on pprune - you'd think a 17hr 15min pattern would reqire comment from the usually verbose - but the silence is both pathetic & sickening -
when it comes to the suppression of freedom of speech & debate -Mao & Stalin had nothing on the present incumbents of the FAAA office if a member should dare to disagree with the party line.
Meanwhile -a very reliable source close to the union office confirmed with me yesterday that the OVERRIDING priority of the FAAA executives is thier own re-election so that they never have to PERONALLY fly again -
guys if you want to be seagulls - leave the industrial relations stuff to tose that care - and go and join the BNE s/H base .
anyway -don't you just love the way the FAAA exec -has banned their office storm troopers from posting on pprune - you'd think a 17hr 15min pattern would reqire comment from the usually verbose - but the silence is both pathetic & sickening -
when it comes to the suppression of freedom of speech & debate -Mao & Stalin had nothing on the present incumbents of the FAAA office if a member should dare to disagree with the party line.
Meanwhile -a very reliable source close to the union office confirmed with me yesterday that the OVERRIDING priority of the FAAA executives is thier own re-election so that they never have to PERONALLY fly again -
guys if you want to be seagulls - leave the industrial relations stuff to tose that care - and go and join the BNE s/H base .
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH NEEDS SUPPRESSION
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After all these years his memory is failing, or maybe he just wants to let reality interefere with his version of the "facts". Just to recap, the 1981 SP dispute was all about manning levels on the Tasman just after the SP was introduced. That was when some of those nice guys in the FAAA (an all male outfit in those dark days)threatened Flight Hostesses,and their property,who were then in another union and did not join the fray. The SP's did not operate LA services for another couple of years as they were flat out on Wellington services.
yes, its a shame somebody didn't remind the pilots about solidarity during the 1981 SP dispute
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mea culpa
Donny -
I stand corrected re Tasmans & SP ...a bit of dementia creeping in - however the principle remains the same -
when the hot heads running the FAAA called for their ridiculous strike action for Xmas 2005 -did we hear anything from the Pilots' Union ? -any messages of support & solidarity?? not a peep - the drivers up front would have let us burn & no doubt would have willingly thrown on the new aprons.
I stand corrected re Tasmans & SP ...a bit of dementia creeping in - however the principle remains the same -
when the hot heads running the FAAA called for their ridiculous strike action for Xmas 2005 -did we hear anything from the Pilots' Union ? -any messages of support & solidarity?? not a peep - the drivers up front would have let us burn & no doubt would have willingly thrown on the new aprons.
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Lurker & Don,
Re. The SP, not only was the dispute about manning levels.It was also about horizontal crew rest for cabin crew. The company did not want to provide any.If it was not for the stand taken then we may not have achieved that basic condition. (and dare I say a lot of other carriers CC as well)
Re. The SP, not only was the dispute about manning levels.It was also about horizontal crew rest for cabin crew. The company did not want to provide any.If it was not for the stand taken then we may not have achieved that basic condition. (and dare I say a lot of other carriers CC as well)
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Lurker @5R says
Why should anyone support the AFAA? When the FA's struck over the use of staff labour in the 1980's, they successfully gained the support of all of Qantas's blue collar unions as well as the TWU refuellers throughout the country. The company would have been crippled but for the support of pilots and its salaried staff, LAME's and Professional Engineers. A couple of days after you were threatened with being tosssed on to the streets all over the world for not working in accordance with your terms and conditions, your legs went to jelly and you demonstrated your strenth, determination and solidarity by resuming work without conditions. The poor buggers you encouraged to lend their support remained on strike for several weeks after your return. With a gutless record like that, why would you expect any union support, even if it is 20 years down the road? Unlike you, the bruvvers have very long memories. Don't ever forget that!
did we hear anything from the Pilots' Union ? -any messages of support & solidarity??