Jetstar (Oz) recruiting in Singapore
Keg,
We have already been told that J* management does not want mailine pilots anywhere near their operation as we will infect their workforce, with what I can only speculate.
Are mainline pilots being deliberately insulted by Joyce or does he & J* just want to ensure we can't remind their pilots about selfworth and what they should have been paid if RH and the J* Puppet Clowns had properly represented them.
QF would be better off sending the mainline crews to J* for the period the A330 is there rather than train their own crews
Are mainline pilots being deliberately insulted by Joyce or does he & J* just want to ensure we can't remind their pilots about selfworth and what they should have been paid if RH and the J* Puppet Clowns had properly represented them.
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Mud Skipper,
Don't laugh mate but I have heard that the "suxcessor" to GD could very well be the Irish Village Idiot.
The rumour is rampant that AJ is being groomed for the job
Don't laugh mate but I have heard that the "suxcessor" to GD could very well be the Irish Village Idiot.
The rumour is rampant that AJ is being groomed for the job
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Peter Gregg will be the next CEO of QF although John Borghetti is making a late run.
The Leprauchan is not in the running this time around.
Rumour also has it that the only JPC member to oppose the recent sell out has resigned from the council as the other 4 yes men said that he had lost their trust.
John Howell stand proud! As the only member of the JPC with any real Airline experience, and with your vast overseas experience at least you knew what you were worth. To be ganged up on by those 4 would be like being slapped about with a wet tissue.
Maybe they could fix up the "retention bonus" (which AIPA got them by the way, a fact often overlooked), or better still address dual bases before one of their own colleagues has an incident driving 28000k in 9 months to get to work. Fair bit of 'I'm alright Jack' involved by the sounds of it.
Raise a glass to John Howell, a man of integrity!
The Leprauchan is not in the running this time around.
Rumour also has it that the only JPC member to oppose the recent sell out has resigned from the council as the other 4 yes men said that he had lost their trust.
John Howell stand proud! As the only member of the JPC with any real Airline experience, and with your vast overseas experience at least you knew what you were worth. To be ganged up on by those 4 would be like being slapped about with a wet tissue.
Maybe they could fix up the "retention bonus" (which AIPA got them by the way, a fact often overlooked), or better still address dual bases before one of their own colleagues has an incident driving 28000k in 9 months to get to work. Fair bit of 'I'm alright Jack' involved by the sounds of it.
Raise a glass to John Howell, a man of integrity!
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Originally Posted by Normasars
Mud Skipper,
Don't laugh mate but I have heard that the "suxcessor" to GD could very well be the Irish Village Idiot.
The rumour is rampant that AJ is being groomed for the job
Don't laugh mate but I have heard that the "suxcessor" to GD could very well be the Irish Village Idiot.
The rumour is rampant that AJ is being groomed for the job
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With such intelligent thoughts as have been offered by Jake and Norma, it's very easy to understand why pilots as a group are held in such poor regard by those who can think a bit deeper than their own wallet or a little broader than their own (very) narrow perspective. It's time to get out into the real world to see how it really thinks and operates guys.
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I see a real world where the elite (CEO's, Politicians and the Elite) are attempting to reduce the income and lifestyles of the employees in order to lift returns to major shareholders (the Elite) at the expense of the employees.
I see a real world where CEO's who participate in this activity are so significantly rewarded with ridiculous salaries (400+ times the average wage) that the incentive for others to join the club is far too tempting to ignore.
I see a real world where Politicians are paid a pension at age 40 for the rest of their lives indexed (but not means tested) and then take positions within industries that just happened to have dealings with their previous portfolios.
I see a real world where the children of the employees are being killed by bullets paid for by the elite.
I see a real world where a government can constantly lie about children overboard, kickbacks to Saddam, weapons of mass destruction, tariffs and protectionism, draconian industrial relations laws invented by the elite - for the elite, and still the masses (the employees) behave like lemmings.
In fact B A Lert, I see a real world where unless the employees say enough you will lose everything you cherish because you will be so busy living to work that you will not be able to give the required attention to the things that really matter.
I choose not to see your real world of 'if we don't do it someone else will do it cheaper'. I choose to see my real world, where I know what I am worth, what my family is worth and what my fellow professionals are worth, and I am prepared to act in a way that sees that worth recognised.
Now, what real world are you in?
I see a real world where CEO's who participate in this activity are so significantly rewarded with ridiculous salaries (400+ times the average wage) that the incentive for others to join the club is far too tempting to ignore.
I see a real world where Politicians are paid a pension at age 40 for the rest of their lives indexed (but not means tested) and then take positions within industries that just happened to have dealings with their previous portfolios.
I see a real world where the children of the employees are being killed by bullets paid for by the elite.
I see a real world where a government can constantly lie about children overboard, kickbacks to Saddam, weapons of mass destruction, tariffs and protectionism, draconian industrial relations laws invented by the elite - for the elite, and still the masses (the employees) behave like lemmings.
In fact B A Lert, I see a real world where unless the employees say enough you will lose everything you cherish because you will be so busy living to work that you will not be able to give the required attention to the things that really matter.
I choose not to see your real world of 'if we don't do it someone else will do it cheaper'. I choose to see my real world, where I know what I am worth, what my family is worth and what my fellow professionals are worth, and I am prepared to act in a way that sees that worth recognised.
Now, what real world are you in?
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Very well said JacktheMuss!!!...you should post more often
Confucius once said:
'Three things are needed for government: Weapons, Food and Trust. If a ruler cannot hold onto all three, he should give up the weapons first and the food next. Trust should be guarded to the end: without trust we cannot stand'
Like I have said before. Trust and Integrity are essential for an environment of mutual respect. Without mutual respect there is no cohesion.... subsequently leading to poor morale and unhappiness...
What world do you live in B A Lert?
Confucius once said:
'Three things are needed for government: Weapons, Food and Trust. If a ruler cannot hold onto all three, he should give up the weapons first and the food next. Trust should be guarded to the end: without trust we cannot stand'
Like I have said before. Trust and Integrity are essential for an environment of mutual respect. Without mutual respect there is no cohesion.... subsequently leading to poor morale and unhappiness...
What world do you live in B A Lert?
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B A Jerk
Sorry to be so late to reply to your post but I have been busy
doing my bit to fulfil my contract as a employee.
Looks like I need say no more as some others have spoken for me.
Jake n Datum
Sorry to be so late to reply to your post but I have been busy
doing my bit to fulfil my contract as a employee.
Looks like I need say no more as some others have spoken for me.
Jake n Datum
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Originally Posted by jakethemuss
I see a real world where the elite (CEO's, Politicians and the Elite) are attempting to reduce the income and lifestyles of the employees in order to lift returns to major shareholders (the Elite) at the expense of the employees.
1 - No one is reducing your income
2 - You chose the lifestyle (I presume you knew what the job entailed - if you didn't it's your fault)
3 - It's the shareholders funds that give you a job. No investors, no job.
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Very simplistic approach. I'm glad you picked one paragraph.
1. The salaries of all Pilots in Australia are under attack. If I work 10% more for the same money, I lose 10% of my family time. Not hard really.
2. The profession I joined has changed considerably. I knew the terms and conditions when I joined. Things are changing and it is the fear environment falsely created by some who believe that "others" will do the job. I have yet to meet enough "others" to validate that claim.
3. Two way street. I challenge all shareholders in Qantas to withdraw their support tomorrow. Won't happen! Know why? Because people like me will see value in the business and buy the shares at the lower prices as people bail out.
You see, the sharemarket is just like the race track. As one I admire put it "Gambling in Suits".
Your belief that without the current shareholder funds we would all be rooned is quite henny penny. It is called diversification of a portfolio, and with JBWere recommending an outperform at the moment on QAN any shares sold would be snapped up. Try a market depth search. Shareholders are gamblers pure and simple.
I am a professional pilot. I will not allow my profession to be degraded to allow CEO's, the elite, and gamblers to pocket the value that I have built in my profession.
Next.
1. The salaries of all Pilots in Australia are under attack. If I work 10% more for the same money, I lose 10% of my family time. Not hard really.
2. The profession I joined has changed considerably. I knew the terms and conditions when I joined. Things are changing and it is the fear environment falsely created by some who believe that "others" will do the job. I have yet to meet enough "others" to validate that claim.
3. Two way street. I challenge all shareholders in Qantas to withdraw their support tomorrow. Won't happen! Know why? Because people like me will see value in the business and buy the shares at the lower prices as people bail out.
You see, the sharemarket is just like the race track. As one I admire put it "Gambling in Suits".
Your belief that without the current shareholder funds we would all be rooned is quite henny penny. It is called diversification of a portfolio, and with JBWere recommending an outperform at the moment on QAN any shares sold would be snapped up. Try a market depth search. Shareholders are gamblers pure and simple.
I am a professional pilot. I will not allow my profession to be degraded to allow CEO's, the elite, and gamblers to pocket the value that I have built in my profession.
Next.
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I can beat that evyjet, have a friend with over 10000 hrs jet, check and trained by Jet* and can't get a phone call ( and no he's not one of those FO " floggers " boeingwest, tho I think I know who you are referring to )
If I was a cynic I would suggest that there could be some foul play at high levels, god help them if they are found out
Led to believe only 1 NJ capt has had the call
If I was a cynic I would suggest that there could be some foul play at high levels, god help them if they are found out
Led to believe only 1 NJ capt has had the call
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jakethemuss - You are spot on
Does anyone else think that the J* 2nd officer conditions are insulting?
From what I hear $40K upfront to get paid only $48k, forget the stick hour vs credit hour fisting. The powers that be in J* appear to have sold out the group and in turn the long term future of our industry in this country.
If cost savings are so important to the QF group, how about the top brass managers capping bonuses or even taking a pay cut to lead by example. The people that actually do the hands on work, engineers, flight attendants and pilots have been at the forfront of the slaying of conditions. Not really fare is it.
Does anyone else think that the J* 2nd officer conditions are insulting?
From what I hear $40K upfront to get paid only $48k, forget the stick hour vs credit hour fisting. The powers that be in J* appear to have sold out the group and in turn the long term future of our industry in this country.
If cost savings are so important to the QF group, how about the top brass managers capping bonuses or even taking a pay cut to lead by example. The people that actually do the hands on work, engineers, flight attendants and pilots have been at the forfront of the slaying of conditions. Not really fare is it.
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If they are short of drivers they should consider the many qualified Ex Ansett A320 pilots that the Ex Ansett Jetstar club has effectively locked out of the airline. They are scattered all over the globe and wish to come as well.
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Originally Posted by B A Lert
it's very easy to understand why pilots as a group are held in such poor regard by those who can think a bit deeper than their own wallet or a little broader than their own (very) narrow perspective.
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BBC Radio conducted a survey on the respect of the community for various professions about 3 years ago...
The survey, carried out on the Today programme's website over the course of a week, attracted more than 12,000 votes. Voters were invited to list their three most and least respected professions out of a list of nearly 100 professions.
A Member of Parliament was voted as the least respected profession followed by estate agent, government minister and lawyer respectively. Journalist was the fifth least respected profession in the top ten followed by footballer.
The top ten least respected professions, listed in order, were - MP; estate agent; government minister; lawyer; journalist; footballer; advertising executive; car dealer; company director; accountant.
Though pilots weren't in the list of top ten most respected, at least they werent down near the bottom with politicians and company directors!
A US Harris Poll in 2003 showed that community opinions on the prestige for most professions has generally fallen (Thank God for FOI)...
Harris Interactive has been asking about the prestige of different professions and occupations since 1977. Over the 26 years since then there have been some quite substantial changes:
No surprises then that pilot standing may have waned a little if at all. Few professions haven't.
The survey, carried out on the Today programme's website over the course of a week, attracted more than 12,000 votes. Voters were invited to list their three most and least respected professions out of a list of nearly 100 professions.
A Member of Parliament was voted as the least respected profession followed by estate agent, government minister and lawyer respectively. Journalist was the fifth least respected profession in the top ten followed by footballer.
The top ten least respected professions, listed in order, were - MP; estate agent; government minister; lawyer; journalist; footballer; advertising executive; car dealer; company director; accountant.
Though pilots weren't in the list of top ten most respected, at least they werent down near the bottom with politicians and company directors!
A US Harris Poll in 2003 showed that community opinions on the prestige for most professions has generally fallen (Thank God for FOI)...
Harris Interactive has been asking about the prestige of different professions and occupations since 1977. Over the 26 years since then there have been some quite substantial changes:
- Those who see teachers as having “very great” prestige have risen 20 points from 29 percent to 49 percent.
- Those who think lawyers have “very great” prestige have fallen 19 points, from 36 percent to 17 percent.
- Scientists have fallen nine points from 66 percent to 57 percent.
- Doctors have also fallen nine points from 61 percent to 52 percent.
- Athletes have also fallen nine points from 26 percent to 17 percent.
No surprises then that pilot standing may have waned a little if at all. Few professions haven't.
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