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Where are Jetstar recruiting their Pilots from?
I have heard rumours that they are recruiting from GA and I am interested to know what the ground school size is and how often?
Are they getting the interest from returning expatriates?
In the QF regionals we dont hear too much about this and have only seen a handful 'get in'.
I have heard rumours that they are recruiting from GA and I am interested to know what the ground school size is and how often?
Are they getting the interest from returning expatriates?
In the QF regionals we dont hear too much about this and have only seen a handful 'get in'.
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I was told that they won't know how many experienced 320/330 crew are required until they find out how many ( if any) of the current 320 crews want to go over to the 330.
I was also told that not many of the 320 pilots are interested in going to J* Int.
I was also told that not many of the 320 pilots are interested in going to J* Int.
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I do know of a retired Airforce guy with no jet time, about 3000hrs total, 45yrs old and hasn't flown for about 5yrs.
Started two weeks ago, no B.S.
The ex-AN management guys have a list of their former peers (mates) who they will not allow into J*, (for whatever small-minded reason.)
QF human resources must really be sharp to not even interview seriously experienced Airbus pilots, just because some "little" guy holds a grudge, or is jealous, or feels threathened by his former peers who are flying A340/330 internationally!
Best man for the job, equal opportunity employer??
Remember it costs the Airline nothing to interview these guys, or would that just show how asinine the management behaviour is?
Started two weeks ago, no B.S.
The ex-AN management guys have a list of their former peers (mates) who they will not allow into J*, (for whatever small-minded reason.)
QF human resources must really be sharp to not even interview seriously experienced Airbus pilots, just because some "little" guy holds a grudge, or is jealous, or feels threathened by his former peers who are flying A340/330 internationally!
Best man for the job, equal opportunity employer??
Remember it costs the Airline nothing to interview these guys, or would that just show how asinine the management behaviour is?
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Has anyone had any experience from the time of application, to interview?
I guess if they have a "boys club" policy, it could be indefinate until that source is depleted.
Not What you know!! But that's no different in any industry I guess.
Maybe things will start heating up when all the 787's start arriving in a couple of years.
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I guess if they have a "boys club" policy, it could be indefinate until that source is depleted.
Not What you know!! But that's no different in any industry I guess.
Maybe things will start heating up when all the 787's start arriving in a couple of years.
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Originally Posted by evyjet
Has anyone had any experience from the time of application, to interview?
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I am aware that many ex_AN drivers have applications in at J* . Many have much A320/330/340 time. None would have less than 10,000 hrs total time. I dont think that any will leave good jobs to go to this gig, there would have to be a substancial carrot involved.
A lot of guys here in VN just forked out big $$$$$ for B777 type ratings and are'nt keen to do it again so soon. I guess if J* want people with experience and proven ability, they will have to reconsider their stance on pay-for-rating.
A lot of guys here in VN just forked out big $$$$$ for B777 type ratings and are'nt keen to do it again so soon. I guess if J* want people with experience and proven ability, they will have to reconsider their stance on pay-for-rating.
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Heard of a few Eastern Pilot's, Pelair and Jet Connect guys have got jobs recently and by all accounts acquitted themselves very well though check to line process.
I think you will find the old Ansett "Pats" simulator system that ranked all pilots according to sim scores and line checks maybe haunting a few ex An types.
I think you will find the old Ansett "Pats" simulator system that ranked all pilots according to sim scores and line checks maybe haunting a few ex An types.
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Understand that. However, how do you know a lot of them don't have plans for other things than flying widebody jetstar all their life? Yes, a lot of them probably did take the conditions so they could get the hours up on the right type to get a better paying job.
People in GA do that every day? Take crap pay to build hours for the job you wanted? People go to Uni to build an education up whilst mates are out earning $$$.
People in GA do that every day? Take crap pay to build hours for the job you wanted? People go to Uni to build an education up whilst mates are out earning $$$.
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Hoss, check PM's mateyyy
UNOME wrote:
Incorrect. Although the "user pays", it costs a couple of grand per candidate in resources from accepting application till completion. That is in addition to what the applicant forks out.
If you are talking about JQ recruiting, QF HR has nothing to do with it.... In fact, during the D.E.C. intake there was a good "mix" of experience.
Oops, sorry. This is a rumour network. I shouldn't have posted facts
PPFaNE doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well
Gidday!
UNOME wrote:
Remember it costs the Airline nothing to interview these guys.......
Incorrect. Although the "user pays", it costs a couple of grand per candidate in resources from accepting application till completion. That is in addition to what the applicant forks out.
QF human resources must really be sharp to not even interview seriously experienced Airbus pilots, just because some "little" guy holds a grudge, or is jealous, or feels threathened by his former peers who are flying A340/330 internationally!
Oops, sorry. This is a rumour network. I shouldn't have posted facts
PPFaNE doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well Gidday!
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had a interview 2 weeks ago but didn't get passed stage 1 obviously i don't fit into there envelope even though im flying similar a/c. obviously they don't want pilot's they want people who can fit into Q 's psyc profile. good luck to all who wish to join them. i still have good job.
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Righto. Listen up
Look you lot: Hoss asked a couple of simple questions, and you can't resist but get into a slanging match! You offendersknow who you are, because your posts have been deleted. Stay on topic, or else 
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Hi all,
Has anybody done the '90 minute planning exercise' that happens on the same day as the panel interview? PM me if you prefer...
'...plan to get a bank loan, ha ha ha...' I get it, I get it!
Has anybody done the '90 minute planning exercise' that happens on the same day as the panel interview? PM me if you prefer...
'...plan to get a bank loan, ha ha ha...' I get it, I get it!
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Getting back to your initial question hoss....
These are just my experiences plus a few wise words from senior JQ pilots and others involved in JQ pilot selection.
Self applied via StaffCV in November 04. Got call from Juliette (recruitment consultant for JQ) mid April 05.
Have heard others waited longer, and some others waited less.
I had nothing in the "who do you know at Jetstar" box.
Other things to keep in mind with JQ recruitment process.
When you ask "how many people in groundschools and how often" I wonder if you are thinking that JQ recruitment and induction is run along QF lines. Short answer is no it is not.
It was set up by JQ and is managed by consultants hired by JQ. It has very little to do with QF recruitment people.
It is completely driven by the StaffCV database. Every recruitment effort starts with a search of the database.
If you go back and take a look at the generic questions and the JQ specific questions in the StaffCV application, you will note that there are no questions about age, marital status etc.
Not all searches of the database are done to the same criteria. Sometimes they are looking for experience on type (suitable to progress to left hand seat in a short time), other times they are simply looking for FO.
You do have to jump through the QF psychometric hoops, but unlike QF, it is not a 'gate' that you have to pass through before further consideration. It is considered alongside flying experience, sim check, and interview.
They have taken GA, ex Mil, ex AN, ex PNG, QF regional, other regional, all sorts.
There are no "bans" or "gentlemans agreements" to stop JQ from depleting the ranks of QF regionals or associated operations.
Neither do the NJS boys and girls that trained on 717 with Jetstar enjoy any special advantage.
Of those that pass through all the recruitment hoops, not all make it to the line. The most oft given reason for what looked like a good applicant, failing to qualify, is usually poor flight management in the sim.
There is some disappointment with the recommend-a-pilot system. Existing JQ pilots were invited to put their names against one pilot applicant as a recommendation if they thought that pilot would be a good choice for JQ. Unfortunately it seems the recommendations have been more to benefit 'mates' than assist the company to find good candidates, so such recommendations don't carry much weight in the recruitment process anymore.
Just the bits I have been told, from people whose job it is to know these things.
These are just my experiences plus a few wise words from senior JQ pilots and others involved in JQ pilot selection.
Self applied via StaffCV in November 04. Got call from Juliette (recruitment consultant for JQ) mid April 05.
Have heard others waited longer, and some others waited less.
I had nothing in the "who do you know at Jetstar" box.
Other things to keep in mind with JQ recruitment process.
When you ask "how many people in groundschools and how often" I wonder if you are thinking that JQ recruitment and induction is run along QF lines. Short answer is no it is not.
It was set up by JQ and is managed by consultants hired by JQ. It has very little to do with QF recruitment people.
It is completely driven by the StaffCV database. Every recruitment effort starts with a search of the database.
If you go back and take a look at the generic questions and the JQ specific questions in the StaffCV application, you will note that there are no questions about age, marital status etc.
Not all searches of the database are done to the same criteria. Sometimes they are looking for experience on type (suitable to progress to left hand seat in a short time), other times they are simply looking for FO.
You do have to jump through the QF psychometric hoops, but unlike QF, it is not a 'gate' that you have to pass through before further consideration. It is considered alongside flying experience, sim check, and interview.
They have taken GA, ex Mil, ex AN, ex PNG, QF regional, other regional, all sorts.
There are no "bans" or "gentlemans agreements" to stop JQ from depleting the ranks of QF regionals or associated operations.
Neither do the NJS boys and girls that trained on 717 with Jetstar enjoy any special advantage.
Of those that pass through all the recruitment hoops, not all make it to the line. The most oft given reason for what looked like a good applicant, failing to qualify, is usually poor flight management in the sim.
There is some disappointment with the recommend-a-pilot system. Existing JQ pilots were invited to put their names against one pilot applicant as a recommendation if they thought that pilot would be a good choice for JQ. Unfortunately it seems the recommendations have been more to benefit 'mates' than assist the company to find good candidates, so such recommendations don't carry much weight in the recruitment process anymore.
Just the bits I have been told, from people whose job it is to know these things.
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Recommendations????
So exactly who, other than your mates, do Geoff-star expect you to recommend
ALL companies appreciate recommendations, its a way of assisting your mates to have them short-listed. They generally carry no weight, as the individual has to perform in the respective process.
ALL companies appreciate recommendations, its a way of assisting your mates to have them short-listed. They generally carry no weight, as the individual has to perform in the respective process.
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In keeping with the original question on this post... does anyone here know if Jetstar will take me on as a F/O?
Got 500+ hours on the A319, 320 & 321 as F/O and more than 4600 hours total time...
...but haven't got the "1000 hours Pilot in Command (excluding ICUS)" they ask for. How important is that and will they waive it for anyone with experience and rated on type?
Have got some 4200+ EFIS hours in Regional and Airline operations overseas, and the rest of their requirements in place.
Have applied to them long ago (and updated) on the staffcv website, but haven't heard from them apart from their usual 'auto-reply'... and don't know who to email there as the only contact address given is the Mascot address.
Got 500+ hours on the A319, 320 & 321 as F/O and more than 4600 hours total time...
...but haven't got the "1000 hours Pilot in Command (excluding ICUS)" they ask for. How important is that and will they waive it for anyone with experience and rated on type?
Have got some 4200+ EFIS hours in Regional and Airline operations overseas, and the rest of their requirements in place.
Have applied to them long ago (and updated) on the staffcv website, but haven't heard from them apart from their usual 'auto-reply'... and don't know who to email there as the only contact address given is the Mascot address.