EK recruiting in Oz
Grandpa Aerotart
No not in the honeymoon phase...not living in DXB merely RON...I am based about 8 hrs east of DXB.
I would not chose to live in DXB...the traffic is a nightmare...the worst I have ever seen...and summer in DXB is a nightmare....but this time of year the weather is very nice.
But I spend many nights a mth here on layovers and have more than a few mates at EK to drink beer with...and I here all the moans...EK is NOT a great gig if you already have a jet job.
As to the female of the species...there is a HELL of a lot here besides the Russian and Chinese hookers...personally I have come to believe that DXB is virtually run by the Russian Mob....but don't forget 5000 EK FAs and the FAs from the various Corporate Jet operations....there is NO shortage of 'nice' females in DXB.
I would not chose to live in DXB...the traffic is a nightmare...the worst I have ever seen...and summer in DXB is a nightmare....but this time of year the weather is very nice.
But I spend many nights a mth here on layovers and have more than a few mates at EK to drink beer with...and I here all the moans...EK is NOT a great gig if you already have a jet job.
As to the female of the species...there is a HELL of a lot here besides the Russian and Chinese hookers...personally I have come to believe that DXB is virtually run by the Russian Mob....but don't forget 5000 EK FAs and the FAs from the various Corporate Jet operations....there is NO shortage of 'nice' females in DXB.
Originally Posted by propaganda
Blimey mate...Forget the Shelia's...You should try the real thing 
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CAMELS I don't know how EK gets away with dragging pilots away from sophisticated Western societies - NZ not included- and paying them crap ( you won't clear 6000AUD a month as a new joiner F/O ). All to live in an obscene, greedy evolution of a 13th century culture where your viewed as a slave and your wife/daughters as whores.
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You will clear 6000AUD a month and that (tax free) equates to over 10,000 AUD a month + accomodation is free + schooling +cheap fuel and cars.
I don't mind doing a bit of "slaving" for that kinda money Gnads0 !
As for the women being treated like whores, I've seen a lot of that back in the Olde Dart Mate so it doesn't really come into play.
I don't mind doing a bit of "slaving" for that kinda money Gnads0 !
As for the women being treated like whores, I've seen a lot of that back in the Olde Dart Mate so it doesn't really come into play.
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Thats one way of looking at it 3 holer. Or perhaps others should be paid more? How much of a bonus is GD making by increasing unemployment in OZ (how many maintaince jobs has he cut?) and lowering pilots slaries (jet*)? But I guess thats ok.
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
... and lowering pilots slaries (jet*)? But I guess thats ok. Don
According to a poster (possibly a pilot) on another thread no pilots' salary has been reduced. Is this incorrect?
Animalclub,
You're quite correct in saying that no-one's salary has been reduced - yet!
It's all about the precedence that has been set for future negotiations. People failing to see the big picture yet again!
TL
You're quite correct in saying that no-one's salary has been reduced - yet!
It's all about the precedence that has been set for future negotiations. People failing to see the big picture yet again!
TL
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I guess it depends on how you look at it Animalclub. The salary of the pilots that will be flying the routes that were once operated by QF crews and soon to be operated by Jet* crews will be less, so I guess that is one way of cutting salaries isn't it?
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I don't mean to burst your bubble, but Qantas S/O's can clear $6K per month - yes, that's after tax. Sure, there's no housing/schooling/cheap petrol, but you do get to live pretty much wherever you like in Oz (or perhaps Singapore!)
The only slaving required is pandering to the eccentricities of some on the flight deck at times
The only slaving required is pandering to the eccentricities of some on the flight deck at times
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Spot on the money Johhny, and that s/o is, as previously discussed, a "cruise pilot". The QF s/o's plying the pacific are pulling down good coin for minimal tours, but I spose someone has to tune the radio.......
Here we go again...
MOST QF S/Os had to have the requisites for command just to get through the door (cadets and some G/A backgrounds excluded).... not gloating, just the facts about company criteria.
In augmented crew operations most airlines use up to 2 Captains and 2 F/Os. QF has used S/Os for 30+ years and saved a mozza compared to other airlines, some of which have in the last 10 years caught onto the idea, yet folks here still seem to delight in inane comparions of pay vs job description.
S/O's pay is pegged to a sub-50% fraction of the Captains on the aircraft they crew. In most other longhaul airlines they would be pulling F/O pay of around 65% of Captain's pay.
In the Qantas pilot structure S/Os make up the largest single rank-group by a substantial margin due to the nature of its large long-haul network.
So can someone explain to me again how a QF crew of 1 Captain, 1 F/O and 2 S/Os is SO expensive?
Yes, it's a crying shame that QF has some of the most highly-qualified 'radio operators' and 'flight log fillers' in the world on so little pay already. It's also a shame that such efficient and cost-effective 'experience' is apparently so easily overlooked by management when comparison stats are selected at contract renewal time.
ps Johnny, just because some 'can' (744, seniority & overtime) doesn't mean that most 'do'. Don't believe eveything you read.
pps Reddo, 'good coin' is a relative thing and compared to the F/O pay-rates at many other long-haul airlines, S/O pay just does not win. A tinge of envy there? But Johnny is right; 'pandering to the eccentricities of some on the flight deck' can be an effort at times!
In augmented crew operations most airlines use up to 2 Captains and 2 F/Os. QF has used S/Os for 30+ years and saved a mozza compared to other airlines, some of which have in the last 10 years caught onto the idea, yet folks here still seem to delight in inane comparions of pay vs job description.
S/O's pay is pegged to a sub-50% fraction of the Captains on the aircraft they crew. In most other longhaul airlines they would be pulling F/O pay of around 65% of Captain's pay.
In the Qantas pilot structure S/Os make up the largest single rank-group by a substantial margin due to the nature of its large long-haul network.
So can someone explain to me again how a QF crew of 1 Captain, 1 F/O and 2 S/Os is SO expensive?
Yes, it's a crying shame that QF has some of the most highly-qualified 'radio operators' and 'flight log fillers' in the world on so little pay already. It's also a shame that such efficient and cost-effective 'experience' is apparently so easily overlooked by management when comparison stats are selected at contract renewal time.
ps Johnny, just because some 'can' (744, seniority & overtime) doesn't mean that most 'do'. Don't believe eveything you read.
pps Reddo, 'good coin' is a relative thing and compared to the F/O pay-rates at many other long-haul airlines, S/O pay just does not win. A tinge of envy there? But Johnny is right; 'pandering to the eccentricities of some on the flight deck' can be an effort at times!
Last edited by Jetsbest; 30th Mar 2006 at 12:56.
Most of the circa 4 year S/O's that I know do mainly LA flights, due to minimal time away from home & max money for given hours (based on the overtime). $3K clear per fortnight isn't a stretch by any means. Taking a look at the senioirty of most LA flights, most S/O's with more than about 2 years senioirty should be able to pretty much build a roster consisting of predominantly LA trips no sweat. Sure, there are guys who are doing London/Europe flights who may not be on as much money (less overtime), but generally they're the guys who are happy to loudly proclaim that they can't stand doing LA's as they're boring flying/slips...
I'm not for one moment suggesting that QF S/O's are overpaid - as Jetsbest has stated, Qantas make a huge saving by employing S/O's, so there's no reason for everyone to start carrying on about how overpaid they are...
I'm not for one moment suggesting that QF S/O's are overpaid - as Jetsbest has stated, Qantas make a huge saving by employing S/O's, so there's no reason for everyone to start carrying on about how overpaid they are...
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You know Johhny U, I don't think anyone, apart from you and the rest of the QF appreciation society had even mentioned the money handed to SOs. At the moment EK do not hire SOs, so calm down will ya.
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What about the ones who didn't make it to the 744 due to the QF first day lotto? There is huge pay disparity between 744 & B767/A330/Classic.
A four year 744 SO can make about the same as an 8 year B737 FO doing 850+ stick hours.
A four year 744 SO can make about the same as an 8 year B737 FO doing 850+ stick hours.
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Sorry Pete Conrad, if you want a window seat flying 850 a year, try jetstar! I believe your money will "buy that" over there! You're in luck too! They are hiring! And will quite willingly take your money!
Please dont tell me you are seriously saying that FOs shouldn't be paid more than SO's because they are getting to stay in the seat for take off and landing?
With that logic, captains should have to pay to come to work because they get more fun than everybody! They get to sit in a window seat, take off and land, and make decisions too! No ammount of money could buy that!!! 
Not being harsh mate, but are you serious?
Please dont tell me you are seriously saying that FOs shouldn't be paid more than SO's because they are getting to stay in the seat for take off and landing?
With that logic, captains should have to pay to come to work because they get more fun than everybody! They get to sit in a window seat, take off and land, and make decisions too! No ammount of money could buy that!!! Not being harsh mate, but are you serious?