Merged: Line Maintenance Issues
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Merged: Line Maintenance Issues
the latest rumour from the mill is....QF engineering to drop all the handling of other operator exotic types. starting with SIT. it seems the big M can see a saving not having to pay tail payments to QF engineers by palming them off to "another" ground handling company under the banner of QF.
this green fields company will use engineers with little training and these engineers "AME'S" will be given approvals for their certification, followed by A380 training.
it has already started with the last lot of 4th years getting line jobs all round australia.
it could be worth it to jump back onto the ground floor.
this green fields company will use engineers with little training and these engineers "AME'S" will be given approvals for their certification, followed by A380 training.
it has already started with the last lot of 4th years getting line jobs all round australia.
it could be worth it to jump back onto the ground floor.
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"greenfields"
Don't QF executives just love to use that wankword ?????
I am sure they think it makes them sound all big and important - just makes em sound like idiots to me..........
Don't QF executives just love to use that wankword ?????
I am sure they think it makes them sound all big and important - just makes em sound like idiots to me..........
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It's almost like GD and co. have been given a personal mandate from the Howard government to push the new IR laws as far as they dare!!!!!!!
Things are going to get alot worse before they get any better.........
Things are going to get alot worse before they get any better.........
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Funny you ask, alot of people are asking that question sounding out where the silent majority thoudhts. the word is unless its done we will not see the a380 leading to job losses ect. standby for a union stance after the unoffical poll
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Accepting the certification responsibility of a completely new type for $0 does not constitute a win for any LAME. If the ones on the outer outnumber the ones on the inner, then the ones on the inner wont get to make the choice. If Qantas Engineering don't handle the A380, it will not mean job losses.
It's time to grow a spine.
It's time to grow a spine.
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I too am perturbed by the rumour that we wont get paid any extra for the A380 licence if we get it.
However the LAME pay structure allows for an advancement in grade(equivelant to an extra rating-almost) after each 4 yrs has passed to recognise experience in the industry.
Under the "old" scale pre 1996 we would have lost a payment for the P&W JT9eng and presumably 747-200/300 A/F and ENG (shortly). This would leave those with QF international licences no better off than if they lost payment for those redundant licences and gained a payment for the A380.
For those guys who wouls argue that they don't have the 747 Cassic licence or the JT9- you guys have had at least one and probably two regrades despite no training that you wouldn't have had otherwise.
You can't have your cake and it it too!! much as I would like!!
However the LAME pay structure allows for an advancement in grade(equivelant to an extra rating-almost) after each 4 yrs has passed to recognise experience in the industry.
Under the "old" scale pre 1996 we would have lost a payment for the P&W JT9eng and presumably 747-200/300 A/F and ENG (shortly). This would leave those with QF international licences no better off than if they lost payment for those redundant licences and gained a payment for the A380.
For those guys who wouls argue that they don't have the 747 Cassic licence or the JT9- you guys have had at least one and probably two regrades despite no training that you wouldn't have had otherwise.
You can't have your cake and it it too!! much as I would like!!
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787 payment
Regarding a/c type payments I hope the jetstar engineers will not accept the 787 type training for no extra renumeration. The ALAEA should be starting to negotiate now on our behalf not when the aircraft flies over the fence like they did with the A320
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Originally Posted by numbskull
I too am perturbed by the rumour that we wont get paid any extra for the A380 licence if we get it.
However the LAME pay structure allows for an advancement in grade(equivelant to an extra rating-almost) after each 4 yrs has passed to recognise experience in the industry.
Under the "old" scale pre 1996 we would have lost a payment for the P&W JT9eng and presumably 747-200/300 A/F and ENG (shortly). This would leave those with QF international licences no better off than if they lost payment for those redundant licences and gained a payment for the A380.
For those guys who wouls argue that they don't have the 747 Cassic licence or the JT9- you guys have had at least one and probably two regrades despite no training that you wouldn't have had otherwise. u can't have your cake and it it too!! much as I would like!!
However the LAME pay structure allows for an advancement in grade(equivelant to an extra rating-almost) after each 4 yrs has passed to recognise experience in the industry.
Under the "old" scale pre 1996 we would have lost a payment for the P&W JT9eng and presumably 747-200/300 A/F and ENG (shortly). This would leave those with QF international licences no better off than if they lost payment for those redundant licences and gained a payment for the A380.
For those guys who wouls argue that they don't have the 747 Cassic licence or the JT9- you guys have had at least one and probably two regrades despite no training that you wouldn't have had otherwise. u can't have your cake and it it too!! much as I would like!!
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but may i say who wanted the lame pay structure so badly ,the company
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I agree with what you say Numbskull, although you could argue that where some have done very well thankyou (particularly transitioning from old to new) some have done not as well. It's swings and round a bouts. I wonder if this might not be a precedent we would be setting here. Perhaps the company don't want any more initial licenced people, in which case it's up to us to decide if we want to go down that "swap a redundant rating for a new one" road, however what of the young ame who scores a 380 course, no payment? Is this going to become the new standard?
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Redstone its nice to see a rational debate!!
I too have seen others with the same licences as me now getting paid more than I, however I am still better off now than I would have been under the old scale.
As far as the 380 licence is concerned- its very concerning and I don't know what the answer is. With these new IR laws and the unions quickly becoming irrevelant, the ground is moving quickly beneath our feet.
If its going to be every man for himself then things will not be pleasant.
I guess if the employers make it so that there is insufficient reward for our labours then they will struggle to find the workers and the laws of supply and demand will kick in. Either that or the government will continue to import workers from overseas to do our jobs for less as they are already doing in other industries.
It will be an interesting year to say the least!!!!!!!!!!
I too have seen others with the same licences as me now getting paid more than I, however I am still better off now than I would have been under the old scale.
As far as the 380 licence is concerned- its very concerning and I don't know what the answer is. With these new IR laws and the unions quickly becoming irrevelant, the ground is moving quickly beneath our feet.
If its going to be every man for himself then things will not be pleasant.
I guess if the employers make it so that there is insufficient reward for our labours then they will struggle to find the workers and the laws of supply and demand will kick in. Either that or the government will continue to import workers from overseas to do our jobs for less as they are already doing in other industries.
It will be an interesting year to say the least!!!!!!!!!!
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too true
i agree swings and round abouts some lost out when it came to the 767 rating and some gained with the classic and then some lost with the classic one point debacle also some also gained like heavy who were stuck with no additional training. the problem is if the precedent is set for new gen aircraft for no payment than there is no going back we have a wage agreement lets stick to it .lets also protect the up and coming lames and not sell them out !
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Heard a rumour
The Big QF has said if us over paid pre madonna LAMEs don't accept the kind offer of no money for the A380 they will take their aeroplane and hire LAMEs at 50-60K including shift and they will work at times when the aircraft is on the ground
Is there anyone in the industry earning that money (including shift)
I say good luck to them,
Last time Q had a recruitment drive they couldnt get kiwis due to the cost of living in Sydney and that has only got worse in recent times with Sydney and the rest of Aust being rated as the most unaffordable housing world wide.
And the Sth Africans are now being paid good coin to stay at home after SAA lost half their LAME to Aust and the Gulf states.
The only way I can see LAMEs becoming available for employment is if QANTAS creates them but that is another battle...
I say its time to call their bluff. If we lose we dont get to work on the 380 white elephant,
If we win we secure our future for being paid for our skills !!
The Big QF has said if us over paid pre madonna LAMEs don't accept the kind offer of no money for the A380 they will take their aeroplane and hire LAMEs at 50-60K including shift and they will work at times when the aircraft is on the ground
Is there anyone in the industry earning that money (including shift)
I say good luck to them,
Last time Q had a recruitment drive they couldnt get kiwis due to the cost of living in Sydney and that has only got worse in recent times with Sydney and the rest of Aust being rated as the most unaffordable housing world wide.
And the Sth Africans are now being paid good coin to stay at home after SAA lost half their LAME to Aust and the Gulf states.
The only way I can see LAMEs becoming available for employment is if QANTAS creates them but that is another battle...
I say its time to call their bluff. If we lose we dont get to work on the 380 white elephant,
If we win we secure our future for being paid for our skills !!
Originally Posted by qfcainer
heavy maintenance dumping is just the beginning, its going to happen all over the place, if they cant make it cheaper they'll just dump it, start a new company up, much like express ground handling (EGH) and operate it the way they want to.
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I'm with you Bolty. If they can find LAME's to work for 50-60K then good luck to them.
It will only take a few maintenance mishaps for them to realise the cost of a maint stuff up. With a bit of luck it will only be delays and a few hundred thousand dollars each time and not a serious problem that will cause an inflight problem for our pilot brothers to solve/deal with.
Unfortunately some people have to learn the hard way.
It will only take a few maintenance mishaps for them to realise the cost of a maint stuff up. With a bit of luck it will only be delays and a few hundred thousand dollars each time and not a serious problem that will cause an inflight problem for our pilot brothers to solve/deal with.
Unfortunately some people have to learn the hard way.
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Originally Posted by Bolty McBolt
Heard a rumour
The Big QF has said if us over paid pre madonna LAMEs don't accept the kind offer of no money for the A380 they will take their aeroplane and hire LAMEs at 50-60K including shift and they will work at times when the aircraft is on the ground
Is there anyone in the industry earning that money (including shift)
!!
The Big QF has said if us over paid pre madonna LAMEs don't accept the kind offer of no money for the A380 they will take their aeroplane and hire LAMEs at 50-60K including shift and they will work at times when the aircraft is on the ground
Is there anyone in the industry earning that money (including shift)
!!
That would be the same as a new LAME with a single A380 rating.