Perth Fog
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Perth Fog
Just what we need - more induced fog right at one of our more isolated airports.
Will the airport owners pick up the bill for diversions caused by their greed if the proposal for a new brickworks on a 32ha site at the northern tip of Perth Airport is allowed to go ahead?
The older brickworks is known to have caused major problems in the past, it's hard to believe they can think this an appropriate use of airport land.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E23349,00.html
Will the airport owners pick up the bill for diversions caused by their greed if the proposal for a new brickworks on a 32ha site at the northern tip of Perth Airport is allowed to go ahead?
The older brickworks is known to have caused major problems in the past, it's hard to believe they can think this an appropriate use of airport land.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E23349,00.html
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Miles and miles of barren, boring, dead, sandy wasteland and where do they want to build a brickworks?
F*&k 'em, they can catch the train!
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They also forgot to check whether or not the proposed brick works would interfere with any of the TX/RX sites, VOR/DME and 21 ILS! Ah commercial cost recovery, dont you love it!
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Don't have the article to hand just now but I recall it mentioned the brick works was to have a 51m chimney.
What do the owners think they are doing? Supposedly the thing will not encroach on aircraft operations but not all aircraft stay within the expected flight boundaries.
I recall an incident many years ago when an Ansett 727 totally botched up a visual approach to 30 Hobart. He overshot the centreline substantially and then calmly announced he was going around - straight through the circuit area at Cambridge which at the time had 3 or 4 aircraft doing circuits. The tower had kittens and screamed for all aircraft in the circuit to descend. The 727 sailed majestically just above some very suprised pilots that day.
The article is well worth a read if only to see the depths some airport owners are willing to sink.
What do the owners think they are doing? Supposedly the thing will not encroach on aircraft operations but not all aircraft stay within the expected flight boundaries.
I recall an incident many years ago when an Ansett 727 totally botched up a visual approach to 30 Hobart. He overshot the centreline substantially and then calmly announced he was going around - straight through the circuit area at Cambridge which at the time had 3 or 4 aircraft doing circuits. The tower had kittens and screamed for all aircraft in the circuit to descend. The 727 sailed majestically just above some very suprised pilots that day.
The article is well worth a read if only to see the depths some airport owners are willing to sink.
I also seem to recall an incident a fews years ago when a Qantas Int. flight was preparing to ditch in the ocean due to fog at PER. Thank goodness there was another crew down the back dead heading who came up with the brilliant idea of autolanding, even though conditions were below Cat 1 minima.
Can we expect more of this in the future if the brickwork project goes ahead.....?
Can we expect more of this in the future if the brickwork project goes ahead.....?
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[QUOTE=boocs]I also seem to recall an incident a fews years ago when a Qantas Int. flight was preparing to ditch in the ocean due to fog at PER.
I have worked Perth for 8 years and have never heard of this one. There was a Qantas from the east coast that may have had to divert to Pearce if they couldn't land at Perth but I would doubt the ditching theory. Most internationals, Qantas included usually divert early if there is any fog at Perth.
I have worked Perth for 8 years and have never heard of this one. There was a Qantas from the east coast that may have had to divert to Pearce if they couldn't land at Perth but I would doubt the ditching theory. Most internationals, Qantas included usually divert early if there is any fog at Perth.
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Have heard that one bantered around many times. Urban legend. Wx related diverts usually go to Kal, not entirely sure about the bigger stuff, isn't it normally ADL, or possibly Darwin?
Heard about a 777 going into Port Hedland (or was it Broome?) due med emergency... apparently they got a concession from the airport operator for that one...
Heard about a 777 going into Port Hedland (or was it Broome?) due med emergency... apparently they got a concession from the airport operator for that one...
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A certain Capt originally from QF, then worked for AN, then jumped ship back to QF, and now I hear no longer working for QF repeated the story severals times during his tenure at AN as being more than urban legend.
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Hmmmmm!
Actually there another brickworks in Midland to the East of the centreline for 21, maybe 5 nm from the approach lights.
Whilst I do not have any affection at all for the owner of the new one, it is, like all of the modern plants gas not wood fired.
The only H20 coming off that is the water and not much of that either, out of the clay.
It was the wood fired plants with the consequent release of a huge amount of water into the atmosphere that caused the old problems.
Actually there another brickworks in Midland to the East of the centreline for 21, maybe 5 nm from the approach lights.
Whilst I do not have any affection at all for the owner of the new one, it is, like all of the modern plants gas not wood fired.
The only H20 coming off that is the water and not much of that either, out of the clay.
It was the wood fired plants with the consequent release of a huge amount of water into the atmosphere that caused the old problems.
Have seen photos of a LH 744 that pulled into YPPD in the mid 90s sometime due to onboard heart attack. The aircraft evedently had to stay on the runway due to taxiway limitations etc and gettingthe patient off was a bit of a task with no stairs for this size a/c.
whoaaa - a bit of thread drift there!
whoaaa - a bit of thread drift there!
I "think" Learmonth is the alternate for the QF jets from Asia.A couple of years ago the Tokyo flight went back up there and a new crew had to be flown up due F & D limitations to fly back to YPPH. Fairly sure this is not urban legend.
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Healy, QF flights have gone into Learmonth about once every year or two. The most recent was a HKG-PER A330 about mid last year. My understanding is that they were a two man crew and so were not able to turn the aircraft around and get it to MEL without busting FTLs and so the replacement crew was flown in.
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I also seem to recall an incident a fews years ago when a Qantas Int. flight was preparing to ditch in the ocean due to fog at PER. Thank goodness there was another crew down the back dead heading who came up with the brilliant idea of autolanding, even though conditions were below Cat 1 minima.
There is an example where a classic had diverted to YPLM due fog (actual) in PH and LM went out on approach due to unforecast low cloud. I think the story goes that they let down over water until visual and then came back in and landed. The bloke in the left seat was on his final command check at the time. To give you an example of how long ago it was, the trainee captain just finished his stint as 744 fleet manager. The training captain has long since retired (his son goes to my church).
IBThesus, I suspect that the person you are referring to was talking about this latter example and that something has been lost in translation or been otherwise embellished.
Never let the facts get in the road of a good story hey- especially when it sledges the 'sky-Gods'!
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Maybe not Perth but certainly not urban legend either , the (then TAA) DC9 DN-GV-CS in the early 80’s held at GV due unforecast CBs and then only got into GTE on his second attempt by busting minimas with literally only enough fuel left to fill a couple of Coke bottles.
The recorded comment from the FSO @ GV (remember them) to the DN Senior Operations Controller was along the lines during the second approach @ GTE "if he doesn’t make it (in) this time you better order 90 body bags"
Maybe not Perth but certainly not urban legend either , the (then TAA) DC9 DN-GV-CS in the early 80’s held at GV due unforecast CBs and then only got into GTE on his second attempt by busting minimas with literally only enough fuel left to fill a couple of Coke bottles.
The recorded comment from the FSO @ GV (remember them) to the DN Senior Operations Controller was along the lines during the second approach @ GTE "if he doesn’t make it (in) this time you better order 90 body bags"
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And then there was the F28 diverted to Fitzroy Crossing, no lights no comms, lucky as. The skipper Rowell was brought up there so local knowledge and the night nurse at the hospital just happening to be near the night switched office phone, the only link to Derby to call up the RFDS if needs be, saved the day, but I seem to recall they had to push the aircraft back up the runway to the bowser.
The nurse, a friend who trained with my wife eventually marrried an RFDS pilot.
The nurse, a friend who trained with my wife eventually marrried an RFDS pilot.