OzJet extending services to Perth
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OzJet extending services to Perth
As most threads on this forum regarding OzJet has been given a negative slant by certain frequent posters on this forum, it is nice to at least be able to kick off a new OzJet-thread on a positive note. They will commence Perth services at the back of the clock in the middle of March, meaning more aircrew jobs as further planes are arriving on our shores. The loadfactors on the MLB-SYD run are now very healthy, with peak services having a wait-list. The rat is bleeding high-yield Y-class pax at a very high rate on this sector at the moment, as happy customers are coming back for more of the courtesy and respect being extended to them by the OzJet cabin crew. Sadly, the low morale of QF-staff (resulting from the mis-management by a megalomaniac and his lackeys) has been evident for a long time and it is little surprise that customers are preferring the friendly service, good food and comfort of a leather recliner onboard an OzJet over the cardboard box chucked at them in their cramped seat 24F on QF. I have little doubt that this thread will be shot down in flames, but there are some humble-pie that needs to be dished out to those who have been hell-bent on this new venture failing before it even got up and running. Paul Stoddart is a self-made millionaire in aviation, operating in an environment in Europe including literally dozens of competitors. Here in Australia he only has 2, and neither of them seems to have taken any notice yet. Whatever you think of the man - don't underestimate him. You gotta have ice in your pockets to succeed in this business, and it appears that he's got what it takes.
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So the 732 is non-stop capable - I can't even remember if TN and AN flew them on this route - I seem to recall they used the 72 and stopped in AD if using a 73 ? Memory is getting weary however.
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Guppydriver - you're reading of the truth is about as fanciful as your claims that Stoddart is an astute businessman.
The facts speak for themselves. The loads have only picked up because half the seats are being given away free. The fare itself is not profitable by his own statements. So not only is he selling an unprofitable fare, he is also giving away half the load. Even so, the flights aren't full. So, he trashes the fares, gives away seats, and he still cant fill the planes. Funny interpretation of success.
He didn't make his money in Europe because he took on all the other airlines and came out trumps. He made his money on a deal with the Australian government and ended up with a shipload of spare parts that he could sell in Europe. Its worth noting that the spare parts were what made him his millions and in his original bid for the aircraft he didnt even know the spares were included (again, from his own mouth).
Further, once again check your facts. Check the other forums for god's sake. He is an extremely unpopular bloke in Europe. European has been a basket case for over 8 years and there are a lot of very burnt employees who could tell you the reality of this trumped up Arfur Steptoe.
Now he thinks he is going to make Perth work. But - he is only flying it back of the clock. I am sure that there is a few QF boys out there who could confirm that these red-eye specials are packed with cheap fares and not a lot of business people.
You're all going to look pretty damn silly when he shuts up shop, dumps his employees with nothing, and blames it on everyone but his stupid business model.
And your statement about QF is also crap. In the latest GSJBWere review on QF they show yield up 8% domestically and are expecting at least a marketperform on the stock.
You know you bitch like hell when QF lays off an employee but you support a guy like this who is using the staff for his own ego thumping and will dump them in a heartbeat. Like I said - check your history on Stoddart and European.
The guy's a clown and he's gonna hurt a lot of people when it all ends in tears.
The facts speak for themselves. The loads have only picked up because half the seats are being given away free. The fare itself is not profitable by his own statements. So not only is he selling an unprofitable fare, he is also giving away half the load. Even so, the flights aren't full. So, he trashes the fares, gives away seats, and he still cant fill the planes. Funny interpretation of success.
He didn't make his money in Europe because he took on all the other airlines and came out trumps. He made his money on a deal with the Australian government and ended up with a shipload of spare parts that he could sell in Europe. Its worth noting that the spare parts were what made him his millions and in his original bid for the aircraft he didnt even know the spares were included (again, from his own mouth).
Further, once again check your facts. Check the other forums for god's sake. He is an extremely unpopular bloke in Europe. European has been a basket case for over 8 years and there are a lot of very burnt employees who could tell you the reality of this trumped up Arfur Steptoe.
Now he thinks he is going to make Perth work. But - he is only flying it back of the clock. I am sure that there is a few QF boys out there who could confirm that these red-eye specials are packed with cheap fares and not a lot of business people.
You're all going to look pretty damn silly when he shuts up shop, dumps his employees with nothing, and blames it on everyone but his stupid business model.
And your statement about QF is also crap. In the latest GSJBWere review on QF they show yield up 8% domestically and are expecting at least a marketperform on the stock.
You know you bitch like hell when QF lays off an employee but you support a guy like this who is using the staff for his own ego thumping and will dump them in a heartbeat. Like I said - check your history on Stoddart and European.
The guy's a clown and he's gonna hurt a lot of people when it all ends in tears.
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Had heard a rumour O7'd be dropping today... so what's the deal with that? They just send over a plane for a media junket... any paying pax on board, or all media freebies?? Can't have been cheap....!
Still, I hope they succeed on this route, god knows business pax need more choice than they've currently got... basically, full 'service' with (mostly) grumpy crew, or (mostly) fab, cheery crew, but putting up with a more juvenile/fun (circle applicable) approach....
Not sure how BOC schedule will go down though...
Still, I hope they succeed on this route, god knows business pax need more choice than they've currently got... basically, full 'service' with (mostly) grumpy crew, or (mostly) fab, cheery crew, but putting up with a more juvenile/fun (circle applicable) approach....
Not sure how BOC schedule will go down though...
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Originally Posted by Barbossa
Now he thinks he is going to make Perth work. But - he is only flying it back of the clock. .
If there is alot of room and comfortable seats you could sleep easily on the plane ...
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I agree that there are many in Europe that got their hands burnt flying for his European outfit.
Even though many left empty handed most have gained better jobs elsewhere.
When this mob started up I thought it was quite smart just doing 2 routes - shorter distance = higher yield.
Now he's going to YPPH and I think long term this could break his back financially.
Yes - he wont hesitate sacking staff and will treat them just the same way if things go sour that he did his European employees that were treated so shabbily.
When the 2 for 1 offer deal finishes it'll be interesting to see just how realistic their profitability is.
With such a small number of aircraft all you need are business people to miss meetings etc with a breakdown.
I think that Guppydriver is seeing life through rose coloured glasses.
Good luck and I hope them well but then again the Easter deadline isnt too far away.
Stoddart can only lose so much money before his financiers pull the pin.
I agree that there are many in Europe that got their hands burnt flying for his European outfit.
Even though many left empty handed most have gained better jobs elsewhere.
When this mob started up I thought it was quite smart just doing 2 routes - shorter distance = higher yield.
Now he's going to YPPH and I think long term this could break his back financially.
Yes - he wont hesitate sacking staff and will treat them just the same way if things go sour that he did his European employees that were treated so shabbily.
When the 2 for 1 offer deal finishes it'll be interesting to see just how realistic their profitability is.
With such a small number of aircraft all you need are business people to miss meetings etc with a breakdown.
I think that Guppydriver is seeing life through rose coloured glasses.
Good luck and I hope them well but then again the Easter deadline isnt too far away.
Stoddart can only lose so much money before his financiers pull the pin.
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Might work for the youngsters and wannabe Masters of the Unverse, but older chaps like myself who usually travel business class anyway find Eastbound back of the clock too hard, regardless of the early start available and barely 4 hours sleep. You get wrecked one way or the other and it takes a cuppla days to recover so what is saved??
Add daylight saving and it gets even harder.
Which is why if you have a cuppla days work, the late afternoon or evening flight and a nights sleep works better both ways.
Besides the J class FF bonus points help ease the pain.
If the Sydney meeting is that important an early afternoon appointment from a 6:00am dep Perth some work enroute, midday arrival Sydney, home on the evening flight after a meal and cuppla wines by 9:00pm is doable in one day and if you have to overnight to finish the job same result as above.
Some people get a bit carried away with this rush rush wank. I have rarely in my career, and many many Per Syd day returns as above found it necessary to RON and only then for social reasons. Usually can't get outs the place quick enough
I would imagine a lot of businesspeople could utilize their time better at their destination if they arrive first thing in the morning as opposed to lunch time.
Add daylight saving and it gets even harder.
Which is why if you have a cuppla days work, the late afternoon or evening flight and a nights sleep works better both ways.
Besides the J class FF bonus points help ease the pain.
If the Sydney meeting is that important an early afternoon appointment from a 6:00am dep Perth some work enroute, midday arrival Sydney, home on the evening flight after a meal and cuppla wines by 9:00pm is doable in one day and if you have to overnight to finish the job same result as above.
Some people get a bit carried away with this rush rush wank. I have rarely in my career, and many many Per Syd day returns as above found it necessary to RON and only then for social reasons. Usually can't get outs the place quick enough
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Then again... if the flight gets in to PER @ 2130.... and leaves two hours later... as a 'once-daily' service...that means to return with O7 punters have to wait until 23:30 the following evening... unless I'm not reading this right?
Doesn't that seem like a lot of time spent in the one place?
If so I can see a lot of one-way travel happening, and returns with QF or DJ...
Doesn't that seem like a lot of time spent in the one place?
If so I can see a lot of one-way travel happening, and returns with QF or DJ...
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AN's 732's never operated MEL/SYD-PER...in my memory. The 722 ran this service along with the A320 (after everyones favourite PM did a favour for his little mate!). Towards the end, AN did operate the 733 on the route occasionally...again...it's all a distant memory now.
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
AN's 732's never operated MEL/SYD-PER...in my memory.(
The 727LRs had the range to do PER whatever the weather, but the earlier 727s sometimes had to put down in Esperance for a technical stop if those strong, high-altitude westerlies were blowing. I seem to recall the 733s doing MEL-PER at least with no problems and no Esperance bowser-stops Can't speak for the SYD run as I only flew with Ansett from Melbourne to Perth and back five or six dozen times and I'm basing my recollections off that small sample size.
I would have thought the best schedule for OzJet would be to get people to Perth for late breakfast and bring them back around dinnertime, which means Melbourne-based business people would have to leave home very early and get home around midnight, but could do a full day's work in Perth without an overnight, and catch a few zeds either way in those comfy big leather armchairs if they wanted. But would that need two crews? Probably... Plus it would tie up the equipment all day on the ground... Oh dear, that's not going to work well, is it?
So that leaves them doing an early run and turning straight around to be back in Melbourne just after lunch, then going back again for a dinner flight... Wait, no that doesn't work either...
Seems to me you need a lot more than two aircraft to successfully cope with Perth on a daily basis if your core business is between East Coast capitals. Like, at least four aircraft?
So, this begs the question, is OzJet planning to bring more 732s into play?
Surely the FP Starlifter can't make Perth direct, even with a diminished pax count?
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