QF B767 and United B747 Taxi Collision at Melbourne
No worries bumpf.
That's only a flesh wound. Cut the fliptip off and launch.
Surely the 767 wouldn't have had it's rear end dangling close enough to A to get clobbered by the wingtip of a jet taxiing on A? Was s/he holding behind another aircraft?
C'mon you Victorians, what's the goss??!!
That's only a flesh wound. Cut the fliptip off and launch.
Surely the 767 wouldn't have had it's rear end dangling close enough to A to get clobbered by the wingtip of a jet taxiing on A? Was s/he holding behind another aircraft?
C'mon you Victorians, what's the goss??!!
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looks like a touch worse than the one which the QF engineers did when B744 under tow into the side of H96, looks like maybe a few probs with nav lights and maybe the mount points for the wing tip
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The mental picture of the incident I have formed has the 767 facing west on Echo either as No 1 or 2 at the Echo holding point for a departure on Rwy 16. The United 744 is taxiing for a departure off the full length of Rwy 16 and is either:
1. South of Echo taxiing north on Alpha. In this case the 744s left wing tip would impact the 767s left stab.
2. Heading west on Echo and turning right to head north on Alpha. In this case the point of impact would depend on the relative geometry of the turning 744 but it is feasible that it's left wing tip could strike the 767s right stab.
1. South of Echo taxiing north on Alpha. In this case the 744s left wing tip would impact the 767s left stab.
2. Heading west on Echo and turning right to head north on Alpha. In this case the point of impact would depend on the relative geometry of the turning 744 but it is feasible that it's left wing tip could strike the 767s right stab.
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during my shift got to see some up close color pics of the stab, damage confined to o/b wingtip with the 747 slicing though the leading edge and taking most of the skin and some spar with it. The elevator got dinged at it's outermost edge maybe an inch or so, from the lwr side it looks quite okay but from the top the skin is torn open with large cracks and ripples throughout.
Could be a job for the Boeing AOG team, depending on the full extent of the damage.
Could be a job for the Boeing AOG team, depending on the full extent of the damage.
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I like the way you guys stick to the facts when discussing this kind of thread. The same topic in 'rumours and news' had,as usual, sunk into a domestic about facts, correct reporting, off topic arguments etc. etc., by the third or fourth post..
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The story I heard today second hand was that UA was off the centreline, main gear almost on the asphalt. They realised they were too close and tried to correct the problem, which as we know caused a bigger problem. I heard the QF B767 was behind another aircraft also, so they may have been obstructing the taxiway a bit also. As I said I heard this second hand but does sound plausible.
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.. my airports design mates assure me that one should keep the nosewheel on the taxi line and that they have done all the calcs to keep everything sweet ....
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Originally Posted by vee1-rotate
Aircraft was operating via SYD first then to LAX, hence low pax numbers...
Here's a pic of UA wing...nasty stuff...OGH didn't look much better when she was being towed past down to the maintenance base...
Here's a pic of UA wing...nasty stuff...OGH didn't look much better when she was being towed past down to the maintenance base...
anyone know how long they expect the A/C to be out of action?
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Could require up to a third of the wing replaced for UA (and no hangars big enuff for a 744 in MEL!); OGH expected to be out for about three weeks.
.....or so my source tells me
.....or so my source tells me
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no hangars big enuff for a 744 in MEL
1DC I wondered why that thread disappeared.
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As part of ANs AOC for the B747 they had to demonstrate access to a hangar for the aircraft. Hangar 145 underwent significant modification of the upper door track to allow the tail of a B747 to pass through with the nose then angled into the NW corner such that the aircraft was then totally enclosed. It was never used as such.
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As part of ANs AOC for the B747 they had to demonstrate access to a hangar for the aircraft. Hangar 145 underwent significant modification of the upper door track to allow the tail of a B747 to pass through with the nose then angled into the NW corner such that the aircraft was then totally enclosed. It was never used as such.
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More high quality reporting- NOT!
This from news.com.au
After 8 1/2 years on the 767, I don't think I ever discovered the 'tail winglet'! 
Perhaps I needed to get out and do more walk arounds every now and then!
I will say one thing that surprised me about the article. Not one passenger felt that they were 'about to die'. So, one crap thing, one not so bad thing. The journo's are improving!
Jumbo clips taxiing Qantas jet
Carmel Egan and Jenny McAsey
February 03, 2006
A SHUDDERING jolt ran through a Qantas jet as it was hit from behind by a United Airlines 747-400 on the tarmac at Melbourne airport yesterday.
The left wing of the Los Angeles-bound jumbo sheered off the tip of the right tail winglet on the Qantas Boeing 767.
The accident occurred as both planes taxied towards the runway in preparation for take-off just after 1pm. None of the 155 passengers and 11 crew on the Qantas jet and 99 passengers and 14 crew on the United Airlines flight was injured.
But for athlete Anna Worland, the accident almost resulted in her missing the Commonwealth Games selection trials in Sydney.
When Worland eventually made it to Sydney for her 1500m heat, after being delayed several hours, losing her luggage containing running gear and being stuck in Sydney traffic, she was relieved to hear the heats had been cancelled and that she would go straight into tonight's semi-finals.
The captain of QF434 described the incident as a clip from behind by another aircraft.
"We were going out as normal and all of a sudden there was this giant shudder through the whole plane," said Peter Kirk, who was on the domestic flight. "You can see a little damage on the leading edge of the United plane's wing."
Rowan Frew, who was going to Sydney for a holiday, was sitting in the middle of the Qantas jet.
"There was a loud shuddering noise and a united gasp from the passengers," she said. "Nobody was terribly alarmed."
United said in a statement that its flight 840 from Melbourne to Los Angeles via Sydney "reported a wingtip touch with a Qantas aircraft as it taxied".
According to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, responsibility for aircraft movements on the ground is shared by airline pilots and air traffic control.
The CASA manual for air traffic standards says: "The pilot in command is primarily responsible for ensuring separation from another aircraft."
However, Air Traffic Control "must control runway operations with landing and take-off clearances and facilitate a high movement rate by providing traffic information and/or sequencing instructions."
Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigators flew from Canberra yesterday afternoon to begin a report into the incident
Carmel Egan and Jenny McAsey
February 03, 2006
A SHUDDERING jolt ran through a Qantas jet as it was hit from behind by a United Airlines 747-400 on the tarmac at Melbourne airport yesterday.
The left wing of the Los Angeles-bound jumbo sheered off the tip of the right tail winglet on the Qantas Boeing 767.
The accident occurred as both planes taxied towards the runway in preparation for take-off just after 1pm. None of the 155 passengers and 11 crew on the Qantas jet and 99 passengers and 14 crew on the United Airlines flight was injured.
But for athlete Anna Worland, the accident almost resulted in her missing the Commonwealth Games selection trials in Sydney.
When Worland eventually made it to Sydney for her 1500m heat, after being delayed several hours, losing her luggage containing running gear and being stuck in Sydney traffic, she was relieved to hear the heats had been cancelled and that she would go straight into tonight's semi-finals.
The captain of QF434 described the incident as a clip from behind by another aircraft.
"We were going out as normal and all of a sudden there was this giant shudder through the whole plane," said Peter Kirk, who was on the domestic flight. "You can see a little damage on the leading edge of the United plane's wing."
Rowan Frew, who was going to Sydney for a holiday, was sitting in the middle of the Qantas jet.
"There was a loud shuddering noise and a united gasp from the passengers," she said. "Nobody was terribly alarmed."
United said in a statement that its flight 840 from Melbourne to Los Angeles via Sydney "reported a wingtip touch with a Qantas aircraft as it taxied".
According to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, responsibility for aircraft movements on the ground is shared by airline pilots and air traffic control.
The CASA manual for air traffic standards says: "The pilot in command is primarily responsible for ensuring separation from another aircraft."
However, Air Traffic Control "must control runway operations with landing and take-off clearances and facilitate a high movement rate by providing traffic information and/or sequencing instructions."
Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigators flew from Canberra yesterday afternoon to begin a report into the incident
Perhaps I needed to get out and do more walk arounds every now and then! I will say one thing that surprised me about the article. Not one passenger felt that they were 'about to die'. So, one crap thing, one not so bad thing. The journo's are improving!
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Probably used the tailplane description for dummies. "The tail plane is a like a little wing".... So little wing gets translated to winglet. 
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Thanks for the clarification AN LAME
I recall a number of times seeing 747 tails jutting out of the 767 hangar, but never one fully enclosed. I also remember the EK 773 sticking it's tail out of the old hangar when it blew a donk a few years back now.
Good to know though, could be a selling point.
I recall a number of times seeing 747 tails jutting out of the 767 hangar, but never one fully enclosed. I also remember the EK 773 sticking it's tail out of the old hangar when it blew a donk a few years back now.Good to know though, could be a selling point.