Two biscuits costs Qantas cleaner his job
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I guess the logic is that if every employee stole two biscuits after every days work etc. etc.. I'm yet to be convinced sacking someone for this is in the best interests of QANTAS as a company. A zero-tolerance approach for an essentially minor offence can lead a company to dismissing a large amount of people they don't wish to dismiss. The precendence has now been set.
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This is not new in the Industry.
Many years ago now (probably at least 20 as it was at the old BNE Airport), the same thing happened at Ansett at 4am one morning as night shift were going home.
Several people, mainly cleaners but also one very senior (as in service) LAME were "caught" and all sacked on the spot.
It was pointed out then, that although it is not a crime (unwise but NOT a crime) to take unused meals etc off the aircraft and eat them at work, it IS illegal to take anything at all off the premises, EVEN meals that were to be thrown away.
At the time this was so worrying to everyone as the Company said NOTHING of theirs was to leave the premises.
Most LAMEs had spares in their toolboxes, like split pins, screws and nuts etc for when you went relieving or on breakdowns. However it was pointed out after this incident that even this WAS technically illegal IF you took your toolbox home (with these things in it) on your days off.
It was also pointed out, in case some of you are wondering, that even a meal supplied to Crew on a flight MUST be consumed on the Airport or Aircraft OR discarded, you can NOT legally take your Crew meal home.
Many years ago now (probably at least 20 as it was at the old BNE Airport), the same thing happened at Ansett at 4am one morning as night shift were going home.
Several people, mainly cleaners but also one very senior (as in service) LAME were "caught" and all sacked on the spot.
It was pointed out then, that although it is not a crime (unwise but NOT a crime) to take unused meals etc off the aircraft and eat them at work, it IS illegal to take anything at all off the premises, EVEN meals that were to be thrown away.
At the time this was so worrying to everyone as the Company said NOTHING of theirs was to leave the premises.
Most LAMEs had spares in their toolboxes, like split pins, screws and nuts etc for when you went relieving or on breakdowns. However it was pointed out after this incident that even this WAS technically illegal IF you took your toolbox home (with these things in it) on your days off.
It was also pointed out, in case some of you are wondering, that even a meal supplied to Crew on a flight MUST be consumed on the Airport or Aircraft OR discarded, you can NOT legally take your Crew meal home.
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OMG Kelly Slater that is absolutely HILARIOUS!!!
I am still wondering in which class you have to travel to get Oreo's???
Or maybe they aren't available because they've all been stolen?
SG
I am still wondering in which class you have to travel to get Oreo's???
Or maybe they aren't available because they've all been stolen?
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the Oreos are in the snack on Q middle of the flight refreshment given out to Y/C pax along with a small botttle of water and a piece of fruit and such.As you get off the aircraft there are a few here and there on the floor or seats that some pax did not want so are thrown out.They are not loaded as dry stores and therefore are not able to be used on the next flight.
They are either going to end up in some tip or incinerator or someones stomach as they clean the aircraft.
This is not an item that can be re-used by the company as something like tea bags or coffee or other dry stores.
considering the nature of the offence , a dismissal is like beheading someone for jay walking
The company does this every few years just to keep up morale...for the management that is!!!!
They are either going to end up in some tip or incinerator or someones stomach as they clean the aircraft.
This is not an item that can be re-used by the company as something like tea bags or coffee or other dry stores.
considering the nature of the offence , a dismissal is like beheading someone for jay walking
The company does this every few years just to keep up morale...for the management that is!!!!
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Rumour has it that the contents of said, "snack on Q" bag [otherwise known as, "the Gilroy"] cost Qantas nothing.
The contents are provided "gratis" to Qantas as the promotional size items inside provide an effective form of advertising for the supplier.
I think that the cleaner got off pretty easily given the current climate at Qantas.
If things here continue to progress in the manner of late stealing a biscuit will soon cost you more than your job............
The contents are provided "gratis" to Qantas as the promotional size items inside provide an effective form of advertising for the supplier.
I think that the cleaner got off pretty easily given the current climate at Qantas.
If things here continue to progress in the manner of late stealing a biscuit will soon cost you more than your job............
So, Margret Jackson and GOD never take ANYTHING, not a paperclip, not a pencil off the premises, and would be sacked if they did....
Yeah, right....
Yeah, right....
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Absense of Reason
I'm surprised that some people see such an incident in 'black and white', which obviously shows a lack of reasoning maturity- comparable to children in a recent study! Such people probably fully support mandatory sentencing too.
Nearly everyone takes 'souviners' from hotels where they stay or office supplies from where they work, and this is to be expected.
For god's sakes, what are we comming to? a Police state?
Nearly everyone takes 'souviners' from hotels where they stay or office supplies from where they work, and this is to be expected.
For god's sakes, what are we comming to? a Police state?
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for crying out loud, I can only hope none of you are line pilots (Keg excepted), for starters , QF probably FM's the cleaning, thats' facility manages to an-other-third-party-hungry-sad-middle-manager-aspirational-types, which has got nothing at all to do with QF, except they provide a cleaning service and elect to , on a daily basis, as per the terms of the contract signed, clean the big aluminum tubing between stops.
where they get their manpower is none of QF;s concern, as long as they clean de tube! ? Stealing a biccie or two is the concern of the pathethic wannabe nazi middle manager who works for the FM cleaning outfit, where grand-ma's are for sale, and the latest gold watch (as worn by 007) is de rigeure, in fact its is a million miles away from the grange hermitage drawingroom conversations in mosman, more like a lindemans 45 in greenacres..........
if ya ain't connected , ya ai nobody, wonder how this new Individual work agreements will affect us , anybody know what terms the cleaner was on ? is her/his superannuation safe ?
where they get their manpower is none of QF;s concern, as long as they clean de tube! ? Stealing a biccie or two is the concern of the pathethic wannabe nazi middle manager who works for the FM cleaning outfit, where grand-ma's are for sale, and the latest gold watch (as worn by 007) is de rigeure, in fact its is a million miles away from the grange hermitage drawingroom conversations in mosman, more like a lindemans 45 in greenacres..........
if ya ain't connected , ya ai nobody, wonder how this new Individual work agreements will affect us , anybody know what terms the cleaner was on ? is her/his superannuation safe ?
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GOD was a little while ago in SIngapore demanding a full fare pax be denied first class, so his daughter could travel with him(staff travel I believe). Surely thats worth more than a few oreos.
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Blueloo ... it is most unlikely that daughter (or daddy) paid any money for that ticket!! And you know that FOC/OCS Positive space pax (once they are booked) has a higher priority order of loading than a full fare paying passenger.
Many a tech crew has refused to travel if there wasn't a First Class seat available... on services that usually have FCL seats. I've seen full fare paying passengers down graded due to this. I've known airlines to lose huge accounts through this. The "wrong" pax were downgraded.
I've known tech crew refuse to dead head when, "due to operational requirements", the operating aircraft was changed to one that didn't have FCL seats.
I know it was (I think still is in QF) in the T & C of employment but some so and so in OPS forgets time and again to book seats... or tech crew, at times, won't accommodate an unusual situation!
It's all history now... I hope!
I think I've gone off thread... I'm sorry.
Many a tech crew has refused to travel if there wasn't a First Class seat available... on services that usually have FCL seats. I've seen full fare paying passengers down graded due to this. I've known airlines to lose huge accounts through this. The "wrong" pax were downgraded.
I've known tech crew refuse to dead head when, "due to operational requirements", the operating aircraft was changed to one that didn't have FCL seats.
I know it was (I think still is in QF) in the T & C of employment but some so and so in OPS forgets time and again to book seats... or tech crew, at times, won't accommodate an unusual situation!
It's all history now... I hope!
I think I've gone off thread... I'm sorry.
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Animal, whilst I think GOD on "duty" travel is fine, I think the daughter is maybe a different thing, according to the person who dealt with the situation, it was staff travel ticket for the daughter, and was not a confirmed P class
Tech crew on Duty travel - well thats part of their employment package. Just like other executives for their respective firms have as part of their remuneration a set class of travel, which is a cost to their company, so do QF employees. The difference is that the company pays for it a different way - ie the loss of a revenue seat. As for downgrading the wrong person, well thats generally due to someone who isnt applying the 'internal' rules appropriately (Singapore is a good example - they upgrade Sing Staff ahead of any QF staff, let alone full fare pax).
Tech crew on Duty travel - well thats part of their employment package. Just like other executives for their respective firms have as part of their remuneration a set class of travel, which is a cost to their company, so do QF employees. The difference is that the company pays for it a different way - ie the loss of a revenue seat. As for downgrading the wrong person, well thats generally due to someone who isnt applying the 'internal' rules appropriately (Singapore is a good example - they upgrade Sing Staff ahead of any QF staff, let alone full fare pax).
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Rediculous
Please forgive my naivety but am I reading this post correctly that a QF contractor was sacked over having two biscuits in his possession?
My God...Look out when we ask for a white and two...
My God...Look out when we ask for a white and two...
Certainly sounds unreasonable, sacked for 2 biscuits, so how many do you have to steal to get the sack, 10...20...a box...a truckload?
It's a simple rule, black and white. Yes it's possibly open to abuse, it would be easy to set someone up and sack them etc, but that can happen anytime in a thousand different ways.
On the flip side, though I havn't been pulled up personally, I have heard of crews being caught unprepaired and having to undergo searches at the hotels after check-in on their way to their room, usually following a looong flight. Ridiculous police state they are making. 
Beware, the security nazis are everywhere.
Engagement is in a Flat Spin......
It's a simple rule, black and white. Yes it's possibly open to abuse, it would be easy to set someone up and sack them etc, but that can happen anytime in a thousand different ways.
On the flip side, though I havn't been pulled up personally, I have heard of crews being caught unprepaired and having to undergo searches at the hotels after check-in on their way to their room, usually following a looong flight. Ridiculous police state they are making.
Beware, the security nazis are everywhere.
Engagement is in a Flat Spin......
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Mmmmm a lot of holier than thous on this post, get real I do not care whom you are I bet you have used taken (knowingly or otherwise) some minor part, food or paper. Some "workmates" do silly pranks as well and may well cause a situation just like this.
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When you think about it ,the company should encourage cleaners,engineers..anyone really to consume items that will only be going to the tip.This way it reduces Qantas’s waste bill….
As I said before the company does this every now and again to raise morale..for the management that is…and to make it look as though management is actually being proactive in their job and earning their pay..
As I said before the company does this every now and again to raise morale..for the management that is…and to make it look as though management is actually being proactive in their job and earning their pay..
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About time the theifs amungst us was pulled in line I can't understand that anyone wants to work with petty pilferers and defending them is a waste of time! We lose millions of $$$$ each year because of these decietful and dishonest characters and I don't care if its one oreo or a box of alcahol. If ya steel then suffer the consequences 