OzJet - Business is tough just after 2 days in
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Frankly I think he should not be saying stuff like that. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain from telling the press stuff like that.
I went to the website tonight and if you try to find flights too far in advance there is nothing. I mean if I were flying I would want some sort of assurance it was actually going to go. But I guess if he is assuming business passengers don't book that far in advance then it doesn't matter.
With his cancelling flights at short notice, that must be disturbing a lot of business people.
I went to the website tonight and if you try to find flights too far in advance there is nothing. I mean if I were flying I would want some sort of assurance it was actually going to go. But I guess if he is assuming business passengers don't book that far in advance then it doesn't matter.
With his cancelling flights at short notice, that must be disturbing a lot of business people.
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Hi Slide
I went to Sabre just now, and schedules are loaded until late September at least and saleable.
One thing we need to remember is that O7 is a start up carrier in a very different market sectot to QF and the "bus with wings" market. This is the years ultimate dead time. Cutting back flights makes sense.
Logic would have decreed reducing flights further out, but when you do not have a past performance model to work on it is a very hard call.
If we give them a bit of a break, and a 12 to 18 month period to fine tune themselves, I think they will be just fine.
If Paul is willing to ride the lows, the market is big enough to provide some highs for him and O7.
I personally think a premium economy product for 50% of the aeroplane may well be a good idea, but we will see.
Matty - please give me a hoi when you get a chance.
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I went to Sabre just now, and schedules are loaded until late September at least and saleable.
One thing we need to remember is that O7 is a start up carrier in a very different market sectot to QF and the "bus with wings" market. This is the years ultimate dead time. Cutting back flights makes sense.
Logic would have decreed reducing flights further out, but when you do not have a past performance model to work on it is a very hard call.
If we give them a bit of a break, and a 12 to 18 month period to fine tune themselves, I think they will be just fine.
If Paul is willing to ride the lows, the market is big enough to provide some highs for him and O7.
I personally think a premium economy product for 50% of the aeroplane may well be a good idea, but we will see.
Matty - please give me a hoi when you get a chance.
Best all
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This morning's news is that OzJet is offering "twofers".
That's right folks, buy one ticket, get one free, roll up, roll up, take a mate with you, or else have a free second ride on OzJet. All the fun of the fare!
In the old days that used to be called a 50% discount.
This is how to build market share amongst the price conscious, not loyalty amongst the value-concious. When will they ever learn?
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That's right folks, buy one ticket, get one free, roll up, roll up, take a mate with you, or else have a free second ride on OzJet. All the fun of the fare!
In the old days that used to be called a 50% discount.
This is how to build market share amongst the price conscious, not loyalty amongst the value-concious. When will they ever learn?
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Hmm - with all respect, not so sure I'll agree with you on that one VHCU.
The whole concept they're chasing is "word of mouth", highly relevant in this case as you really need to get people ON BOARD, to experience the unique OzJet product. Business people often travel together to meetings, conferences etc. and a "two-for-one" could be what a company's bean counter / secretary or whoever is responsible for organising travel for staff, need - in order to be swayed to give OzJet a go. Once they have tried it, the pressure to keep using OzJet will come from the business travellers themselves, because there is just NO comparison between the OzJet First Class leather recliner comfort and legroom combined with their customer focus, to what the other guys are offering. I'll admit straight away that I'm just a bit biased in their favour, but wishful thinking aside -if they can get the marketing right (targeting non F1-fans as well;-))- OzJet will be there for the long run.
The whole concept they're chasing is "word of mouth", highly relevant in this case as you really need to get people ON BOARD, to experience the unique OzJet product. Business people often travel together to meetings, conferences etc. and a "two-for-one" could be what a company's bean counter / secretary or whoever is responsible for organising travel for staff, need - in order to be swayed to give OzJet a go. Once they have tried it, the pressure to keep using OzJet will come from the business travellers themselves, because there is just NO comparison between the OzJet First Class leather recliner comfort and legroom combined with their customer focus, to what the other guys are offering. I'll admit straight away that I'm just a bit biased in their favour, but wishful thinking aside -if they can get the marketing right (targeting non F1-fans as well;-))- OzJet will be there for the long run.
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56P you must be talking to the people I have been talking to.
Apprently ozjet (07) are to begin SYD-HTI services with the new aircraft that has just arrived.
They are also looking to form affiliations with QF business travel.
Apprently ozjet (07) are to begin SYD-HTI services with the new aircraft that has just arrived.
They are also looking to form affiliations with QF business travel.
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Re: OzJet - Business is tough just after 2 days in
just my two cents on O7. three blokes of last weekends barbie gave 07 a try and here is their feedback. they are all qf pl ff.
no valet parking
no club lounge
not enough flights
no ff points sytem.
paul (i really dont know him) will find it hard to always fill 60 business seats daily.
remember most ff are corporate suits. they want to use the points on leisure, sometimes with the family, or on overseas trips upgrades,etc.
qf should subcontract 07 what they do doing peakhour shuttles and using the qf system to support it.
no valet parking
no club lounge
not enough flights
no ff points sytem.
paul (i really dont know him) will find it hard to always fill 60 business seats daily.
remember most ff are corporate suits. they want to use the points on leisure, sometimes with the family, or on overseas trips upgrades,etc.
qf should subcontract 07 what they do doing peakhour shuttles and using the qf system to support it.
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Look what showed up in my inbox:
OzJet Attains A Perfect Score For On-Time Flights Over Past Month.
OzJet, the new airline that has upgraded travel between Australia's two biggest cities, has achieved a perfect on-time record for its flights over the past month.
Setting new industry-leading standards, OzJet said today all its 173 flights on the Sydney-Melbourne route between December 16 and January 15 had departed on time.
OzJet only began operations late last year and in its first full month of operation, December, had a 92 per cent on-time departure performance record.
Flights that leave within 15 minutes of scheduled departure times are classified as on-time by the industry and Australian carriers traditionally achieve percentages in the high 80s.
"We're very pleased and proud to have achieved a 100 per cent on-time record in the past month," OzJet chief executive Hans van Pelt said.
"As the newcomer to the market, travellers are just getting to know us - but the great thing is that they are getting to know that OzJet is the most on-time airline, while also offering comfort and service not previously available to them at affordable prices.
"We only started flying on November 29 and, after the inevitable few teething troubles in the first few days, it is immensely satisfying that we have established ourselves as a very reliable carrier on one of the world's busiest air routes.
"Combined with the ease of boarding and disembarking a jet that has a maximum of only 60 passengers, OzJet is the airline that gets you there on time.
OzJet is enjoying much higher passenger loads since the introduction of its two-for-one special last Monday.
The two-for-one allows travellers buying any OzJet ticket until January 31 to get another equivalent journey - for themselves, a friend, relative or colleague - for free, to be used by February 28.
The offer makes travel between Australia's two major cities, in luxury and with superior service, as cheap as $249 return for the next few weeks.
"Australians are now getting to see and experience that OzJet truly is the airline that upgrades everyone," Mr van Pelt said. "Apart from our quick check-in - including over the internet - and easy boarding, passengers enjoy space and comfort in our large seats (47cm wide between the armrests), can take three pieces of hand luggage in the cabin, enjoy proper meals on fine china and complementary beverages and service levels not normally associated with domestic air travel.
"It is only once people have flown with us that they fully appreciate what we have brought to the Australian market - a guaranteed upgrade - and the feedback we are getting is enormously positive."
OzJet is stepping up its services on the country's busiest route as Australians return from summer holidays and will operate six flights in each direction on business days this week.
It will return to eight flights in each direction every business day soon after Australia Day.
The arrival soon of a fourth Boeing 737 from chairman Paul Stoddart's European Aviation fleet will allow the airline to add extra services in February to cater for peak-hour demand.
These additional services will be available from February 23 and are being published in all travel agent global distribution systems.
OzJet has been considering the introduction of a frequent flyer program with an announcement imminent of a program that will enable companies and individuals to register as members and enjoy the benefits of the program across their domestic travel requirements.
OzJet's Customer Service Centre in Melbourne, just metres from the Business Carpark at Terminal 3 and almost directly below Gate 12 from which it operates, has been upgraded to become the airline's first lounge.
Named OzLounge, it offers full check-in for passengers and baggage, a large plasma television screen, and complementary hot and cold drinks, snacks and reading material.
OzJet has installed another large plasma TV screen at Gate 12, while eight of its luxurious leather seats are on display in the Terminal 3 concourse - in the 2x2 configuration of the cabin and which can be sampled for size and comfort by everyone passing through the terminal. A similar display will be installed in Terminal 2 at Sydney Airport next week to enable the Sydney market to see and feel the difference OzJet provides for economy travellers between Australia's two largest cities.
All OzJet planes have just 60 seats - all of them of the same large size and with a minimum pitch of 111.5cm, providing significant extra legroom as well as more lateral space.
OzJet travellers can take advantage of fabulous parking options at both airports from which it operates.
"When travelling OzJet from Melbourne you can almost park your car under the nose of your plane," Mr van Pelt said.
"The Business Carpark at Melbourne Airport's Terminal 3 allows you to park within 100 metres of your departure point - Gate 12.
"From the carpark you are just a very short walk to our new OzLounge, where you can check in, take a lift up to the concourse, clear security and you are at the departure gate.
"It may be no more than three minutes from your car!
"At Sydney Airport the most convenient parking for OzJet customers is the Airport Valet facility at Terminal 2 - another fabulous option for easy access to Gate 39, which we use in that terminal."
All OzJet travellers up to and including March 1 have the chance to win rides in Minardi Formula One 2-Seater racing cars owned by Mr Stoddart.
One OzJet passenger a week will win a ride in an F1 2-seater.
To book go to http://www.ozjet.com.au, call 1300 737 000 or contact your Travel Agent.
OzJet Attains A Perfect Score For On-Time Flights Over Past Month.
OzJet, the new airline that has upgraded travel between Australia's two biggest cities, has achieved a perfect on-time record for its flights over the past month.
Setting new industry-leading standards, OzJet said today all its 173 flights on the Sydney-Melbourne route between December 16 and January 15 had departed on time.
OzJet only began operations late last year and in its first full month of operation, December, had a 92 per cent on-time departure performance record.
Flights that leave within 15 minutes of scheduled departure times are classified as on-time by the industry and Australian carriers traditionally achieve percentages in the high 80s.
"We're very pleased and proud to have achieved a 100 per cent on-time record in the past month," OzJet chief executive Hans van Pelt said.
"As the newcomer to the market, travellers are just getting to know us - but the great thing is that they are getting to know that OzJet is the most on-time airline, while also offering comfort and service not previously available to them at affordable prices.
"We only started flying on November 29 and, after the inevitable few teething troubles in the first few days, it is immensely satisfying that we have established ourselves as a very reliable carrier on one of the world's busiest air routes.
"Combined with the ease of boarding and disembarking a jet that has a maximum of only 60 passengers, OzJet is the airline that gets you there on time.
OzJet is enjoying much higher passenger loads since the introduction of its two-for-one special last Monday.
The two-for-one allows travellers buying any OzJet ticket until January 31 to get another equivalent journey - for themselves, a friend, relative or colleague - for free, to be used by February 28.
The offer makes travel between Australia's two major cities, in luxury and with superior service, as cheap as $249 return for the next few weeks.
"Australians are now getting to see and experience that OzJet truly is the airline that upgrades everyone," Mr van Pelt said. "Apart from our quick check-in - including over the internet - and easy boarding, passengers enjoy space and comfort in our large seats (47cm wide between the armrests), can take three pieces of hand luggage in the cabin, enjoy proper meals on fine china and complementary beverages and service levels not normally associated with domestic air travel.
"It is only once people have flown with us that they fully appreciate what we have brought to the Australian market - a guaranteed upgrade - and the feedback we are getting is enormously positive."
OzJet is stepping up its services on the country's busiest route as Australians return from summer holidays and will operate six flights in each direction on business days this week.
It will return to eight flights in each direction every business day soon after Australia Day.
The arrival soon of a fourth Boeing 737 from chairman Paul Stoddart's European Aviation fleet will allow the airline to add extra services in February to cater for peak-hour demand.
These additional services will be available from February 23 and are being published in all travel agent global distribution systems.
OzJet has been considering the introduction of a frequent flyer program with an announcement imminent of a program that will enable companies and individuals to register as members and enjoy the benefits of the program across their domestic travel requirements.
OzJet's Customer Service Centre in Melbourne, just metres from the Business Carpark at Terminal 3 and almost directly below Gate 12 from which it operates, has been upgraded to become the airline's first lounge.
Named OzLounge, it offers full check-in for passengers and baggage, a large plasma television screen, and complementary hot and cold drinks, snacks and reading material.
OzJet has installed another large plasma TV screen at Gate 12, while eight of its luxurious leather seats are on display in the Terminal 3 concourse - in the 2x2 configuration of the cabin and which can be sampled for size and comfort by everyone passing through the terminal. A similar display will be installed in Terminal 2 at Sydney Airport next week to enable the Sydney market to see and feel the difference OzJet provides for economy travellers between Australia's two largest cities.
All OzJet planes have just 60 seats - all of them of the same large size and with a minimum pitch of 111.5cm, providing significant extra legroom as well as more lateral space.
OzJet travellers can take advantage of fabulous parking options at both airports from which it operates.
"When travelling OzJet from Melbourne you can almost park your car under the nose of your plane," Mr van Pelt said.
"The Business Carpark at Melbourne Airport's Terminal 3 allows you to park within 100 metres of your departure point - Gate 12.
"From the carpark you are just a very short walk to our new OzLounge, where you can check in, take a lift up to the concourse, clear security and you are at the departure gate.
"It may be no more than three minutes from your car!
"At Sydney Airport the most convenient parking for OzJet customers is the Airport Valet facility at Terminal 2 - another fabulous option for easy access to Gate 39, which we use in that terminal."
All OzJet travellers up to and including March 1 have the chance to win rides in Minardi Formula One 2-Seater racing cars owned by Mr Stoddart.
One OzJet passenger a week will win a ride in an F1 2-seater.
To book go to http://www.ozjet.com.au, call 1300 737 000 or contact your Travel Agent.
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Setting new industry-leading standards, OzJet said today all its 173 flights on the Sydney-Melbourne route between December 16 and January 15 had departed on time.
Well how is easy is that?.....
"Paul, this ones broken again and it looks like its going to delay us"
"No probs, just can the flight and swing those 4 punters onto the 4:15"
"Paul this ones only got 4 bookings"
"No probs, just can the flight and swing those 4 punters onto the 4:15"
Tah.daah.... all remaining flights leave on time.
Perhaps someone would like to reveal how many flights were canned over that period.
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Well how is easy is that?.....
"Paul, this ones broken again and it looks like its going to delay us"
"No probs, just can the flight and swing those 4 punters onto the 4:15"
"Paul this ones only got 4 bookings"
"No probs, just can the flight and swing those 4 punters onto the 4:15"
Tah.daah.... all remaining flights leave on time.
Perhaps someone would like to reveal how many flights were canned over that period.
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just my two cents on O7. three blokes of last weekends barbie gave 07 a try and here is their feedback. they are all qf pl ff.
no valet parking
no club lounge
not enough flights
no ff points system.
no valet parking
no club lounge
not enough flights
no ff points system.
OK, I was a sceptic, but it looks from this PR blurb like they're giving it a red-hot go, doesn't it?
Any recent OzJet travellers care to share their experiences?
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And if Ozjet believes this then they are definitely in or going to be in trouble.
Wrong. A business executive’s time is money. It is only value for money if they have a frequent and reliable service, both of which they don't. I would suggest that a large proportion of the pax that are flying on Ozjet at present are traditional economy class pax wanting to see how the other half live.
The FF points system objection might be a furphy.
At OzJet's prices, most small business owners are going to see the value, provided the delivery is reliable and on time. And OzJet seem to be addressing that too...
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VH-Cheer Up
And if Ozjet believes this then they are definitely in or going to be in trouble.
Wrong. A business executive’s time is money. It is only value for money if they have a frequent and reliable service, both of which they don't. I would suggest that a large proportion of the pax that are flying on Ozjet at present are traditional economy class pax wanting to see how the other half live.
And if Ozjet believes this then they are definitely in or going to be in trouble.
Wrong. A business executive’s time is money. It is only value for money if they have a frequent and reliable service, both of which they don't. I would suggest that a large proportion of the pax that are flying on Ozjet at present are traditional economy class pax wanting to see how the other half live.
The frequency is not the issue. Peak-time seats is an issue. Price IS an issue. Remember OzJet probably doesn't have to please all the people, all the time, just enough to them to keep those big seats warm when they fly them. You are talking about people who WILL adjust their schedule around when it's convenient (and nice and comfy at the right price) for them to travel.
And in the absence of any kind of competitive offering from DJ, good luck to them.
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Well I haven't had a chance to try them yet but will. And offering business class travel at way less than full fare QF Economy is the whole point isn't it.I still wish them well.Compass Mk.2 did very well at that model until fraud beat them.
I am in Dallas nowand just jogging before was under the flight path of the endless stream of Southwest 737s going into Love Field. They were a pesky nuisance over 20 years ago when they started here, mocked, scorned and disbelieved. Yet....now the biggest (enplanements and market capitalization) airline in the US and employing thousands of pilots.
We should all,at the start of each day....whoever our current employer is....give thanks that our industry has innovators and entepreneurs in it with more faith and hope than common sense. It'd be blo0dy dull otherwise.
I am in Dallas nowand just jogging before was under the flight path of the endless stream of Southwest 737s going into Love Field. They were a pesky nuisance over 20 years ago when they started here, mocked, scorned and disbelieved. Yet....now the biggest (enplanements and market capitalization) airline in the US and employing thousands of pilots.
We should all,at the start of each day....whoever our current employer is....give thanks that our industry has innovators and entepreneurs in it with more faith and hope than common sense. It'd be blo0dy dull otherwise.
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Some of you guys on this site, really are 
doing nothing but going on how Ozjet will fail etc, "GET OVER IT"
for god sake it gets old, they are a new start up offering a great service, just leave them to it.
This forum has gone from discussing the engine types, to Stoddards involvement with F1 to how much a 717 CAN LIFT OUT OF Alice, its really sad to see people trying to put there 2 cents in about Ozjet. Im sure if you went into a new venture you would want support not all this nit picking!
To those supporting Ozjet its great to see, Its always good to see a New Airline makes things more intresting, the Red tail gets boring and to see new colours - its goodas.
I know this post will ruffle a few feathers - specially those who insist Ozjet is doomed, like i said "Get Over it"
doing nothing but going on how Ozjet will fail etc, "GET OVER IT"
for god sake it gets old, they are a new start up offering a great service, just leave them to it.
This forum has gone from discussing the engine types, to Stoddards involvement with F1 to how much a 717 CAN LIFT OUT OF Alice, its really sad to see people trying to put there 2 cents in about Ozjet. Im sure if you went into a new venture you would want support not all this nit picking!
To those supporting Ozjet its great to see, Its always good to see a New Airline makes things more intresting, the Red tail gets boring and to see new colours - its goodas.
I know this post will ruffle a few feathers - specially those who insist Ozjet is doomed, like i said "Get Over it"
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I actually think everyone except VH-Cheerup has missed the point with Ozjet. Just because it is a business class style operation in no way at all means it is aimed at the business traveller. It is aimed at anyone - but in particular economy class pax who would like a better service at a great price. It has NOTHING to do with being an airline aimed at businesses and business executives. If they start using it - great. But I am sure this is not their main intention.
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