Go Emirates!!!!!!
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Go Emirates!!!!!!
Lets hope Emirates and Singapore airlines convince the Government to remove QF's "protected" status and get more flights in and out of Australia.
http://www.travelbiz.com.au/articles/47/0c038247.asp
http://www.travelbiz.com.au/articles/47/0c038247.asp
Good. Less jobs for Australians and/or less pay for Australian pilots. We're the first to get shafted in these "reforms". QF may as well send jobs overseas: that's what's gong to happen anyway when these "assisted" outfits start stealing our work.
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what Comes around ...........
I always recall many years ago crying foul about the injustice of the QF cadet scheme, the nepotism and the blatant jobs for the boys attitude at QF. At the time people would simply laugh in my face and tell me "Life's tough Isn't it". Its just so unfair. To all those who are now whinging about the welcomed competition there will be many who will also be watching including myself and luaging with those same sentiments. Its a global market so get over it. Just as I did all those years ago!
Nice cup of ice cold schadenfreude anyone??
This particular crop of individuals that want to see QF pilots lose their conditions and possibly their job because they missed out, or they met a cadet once that rubbed them the wrong way, are truly the lowest of the low.
This particular crop of individuals that want to see QF pilots lose their conditions and possibly their job because they missed out, or they met a cadet once that rubbed them the wrong way, are truly the lowest of the low.
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ALL of the airline recruits should be cadets. Then we would not have airlines bludging off GA for their pilot training. And everyone would know where they are going, instead of this obscene lottery we have now.
So - I suppose you have used your years at SQ to 'work away' (from the inside) against the SQ airlines cadet scheme....?
Or is that different...?
Or is that different...?
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EK and Sq given the run of the place? Yep more reason for GD to out-source work and retrench even more people.
Not to mention the outflow of cash. Something about Balance of Payments...
Let EK and SQ treat the place as their own so Sunfish can fly with someone else once every three years, all just because Qantas lost his suitcase or whatever the fcuk happened to him all those years ago... boohoo.
Grow up Sunfish and open your eyes.
Not to mention the outflow of cash. Something about Balance of Payments...
Let EK and SQ treat the place as their own so Sunfish can fly with someone else once every three years, all just because Qantas lost his suitcase or whatever the fcuk happened to him all those years ago... boohoo.
Grow up Sunfish and open your eyes.
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why so scared of competition???
Oh yes, that's right acording to Dixon and his bleating band of warriors in Sydney EK is a fully subsidised airline with free fuel...... and yet QF wants to be protected by unproductive government sanctioned legislation.
Eat ya cake now QF, it will be gone soon.
Oh yes, that's right acording to Dixon and his bleating band of warriors in Sydney EK is a fully subsidised airline with free fuel...... and yet QF wants to be protected by unproductive government sanctioned legislation.
Eat ya cake now QF, it will be gone soon.
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Does seem to be some double standards here...
QF claims EK is government owned/supported, yet QF asks the OZ government [and receives] protection of its SYD - LAX (where 60% of QF international profit lives) and asks the government to protect it from further exposure to EK.
The American carriers are protected by government chapter 11 rules. The list goes on...
I think its time that we moved on and faced the opposition with product and high service standards - and just like any other business, the customers will come.
QF claims EK is government owned/supported, yet QF asks the OZ government [and receives] protection of its SYD - LAX (where 60% of QF international profit lives) and asks the government to protect it from further exposure to EK.
The American carriers are protected by government chapter 11 rules. The list goes on...
I think its time that we moved on and faced the opposition with product and high service standards - and just like any other business, the customers will come.
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Competition
This has been the problem all along with current QF management.
It is largely populated by ex TAA personnel who lived with a cosy duopoly for years.
They didn't have to learn how to compete.
They can cut costs but that's all
They have no idea how to be innovative
All the expertise...Tubby Ward John Schaap et al. have gone and with them the knowledge to run an international airline.
It is largely populated by ex TAA personnel who lived with a cosy duopoly for years.
They didn't have to learn how to compete.
They can cut costs but that's all
They have no idea how to be innovative
All the expertise...Tubby Ward John Schaap et al. have gone and with them the knowledge to run an international airline.
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The answer has to be "for the benefit of the autralian economy"
Not pilots, Cabin crew and Lames, but for the rest of us.
This is the issue. We can protect the jobs of the pilot and Cabin crew, but it is at the expense of the guys who crew the dive boats at Cairns and who print and sell the tourist tee shirts.
The maths says that protecting jobs costs more jobs than those protected.
Furthermore, there is nothing to say that "unprotecting" the Australian market might not unleash a huge demand for Australian Tourism products that will swamp Qantas anyway.
I welcome your thoughts.
Not pilots, Cabin crew and Lames, but for the rest of us.
This is the issue. We can protect the jobs of the pilot and Cabin crew, but it is at the expense of the guys who crew the dive boats at Cairns and who print and sell the tourist tee shirts.
The maths says that protecting jobs costs more jobs than those protected.
Furthermore, there is nothing to say that "unprotecting" the Australian market might not unleash a huge demand for Australian Tourism products that will swamp Qantas anyway.
I welcome your thoughts.
SF,
None of these guys will lose jobs. Granted, jobs may be created in theses industries, but at the expense of others.
Why is it that we have to race to the bottom, to lower ourselves to the living standards of other countries who by many benchmarks are a disgrace to the human race? Why is is that we, living in the country which 99% of these others would love to come to (and blow up if they can't), have to lower ourselves to their level?
Please don't take unfair competiton out on the employees: it's not our fault.
guys who crew the dive boats at Cairns and who print and sell the tourist tee shirts
Why is it that we have to race to the bottom, to lower ourselves to the living standards of other countries who by many benchmarks are a disgrace to the human race? Why is is that we, living in the country which 99% of these others would love to come to (and blow up if they can't), have to lower ourselves to their level?
Please don't take unfair competiton out on the employees: it's not our fault.
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"I think its time that we moved on and faced the opposition with product and high service standards - and just like any other business, the customers will come."
Most QF cabin crew work their a***s off to please the customer, yet the above is going to be a bit hard when the mentioned airlines have more crew/staff to deliver their high service standards in the air and on the ground! We would love another two or three F/A's onboard to be able to go that extra mile for our pax, but a lot of the time it's not possible because you're having to work too fast just to get the service done on time, let alone actually speak to passengers.
Oz
Most QF cabin crew work their a***s off to please the customer, yet the above is going to be a bit hard when the mentioned airlines have more crew/staff to deliver their high service standards in the air and on the ground! We would love another two or three F/A's onboard to be able to go that extra mile for our pax, but a lot of the time it's not possible because you're having to work too fast just to get the service done on time, let alone actually speak to passengers.
Oz
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OZ cabin crew
I took my wife and kids biz class on QF last year. First and last time. Travelled on plenty of airlines but QF was the worst service ever and I've been in the aviation business for 35 years.
12 yr old daughter didn't get a kids meal even tho we ordered it because she was too old. No kids meals over the age of 11. Why? FSM says that's the rules and that's it.
Took 5 hrs to get our meal because every time the seat belt signs went on the service stopped. Procedure in our outfit is for the service to continue unless F/A's told to sit down by flight deck.
Surly, unfriendly cabin crew.
Scungy lounge in LAX.
No kids packs to keep them amused.
Awful food.
QF has got it coming, go Emirates is right
I took my wife and kids biz class on QF last year. First and last time. Travelled on plenty of airlines but QF was the worst service ever and I've been in the aviation business for 35 years.
12 yr old daughter didn't get a kids meal even tho we ordered it because she was too old. No kids meals over the age of 11. Why? FSM says that's the rules and that's it.
Took 5 hrs to get our meal because every time the seat belt signs went on the service stopped. Procedure in our outfit is for the service to continue unless F/A's told to sit down by flight deck.
Surly, unfriendly cabin crew.
Scungy lounge in LAX.
No kids packs to keep them amused.
Awful food.
QF has got it coming, go Emirates is right
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Sunfish.
I normally enjoy reading your posts. But calling for the destruction of pilot and CC conditions on thid forum is just plain stupid.
This is a pilot rumour network. If you want to attack us - go somewher else.
Oh, and Ill agree to free access for Ek when they start paying for fuel, start paying tax and when the regulator is not the owner of the airline.
Additionally, hop over to the Middle East forum and see what EK's 'enlightened' rostering practices are doing in relation to crews flying fatigued.
I normally enjoy reading your posts. But calling for the destruction of pilot and CC conditions on thid forum is just plain stupid.
This is a pilot rumour network. If you want to attack us - go somewher else.
Oh, and Ill agree to free access for Ek when they start paying for fuel, start paying tax and when the regulator is not the owner of the airline.
Additionally, hop over to the Middle East forum and see what EK's 'enlightened' rostering practices are doing in relation to crews flying fatigued.
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Seatbelt SOP..Skol
Whenever the seatbelt sign is illuminated on any QF aircraft
Crew are to strap in and subsequenlty service ceases.
This is SOP
QANTAS experiences a large number of CAT events per year,some of which result in injury.
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A meal cart landing on your 12 year old will do a lot more harm than missing out on child's pak.
If,as yo say,you have been in the industry for 35 years you must be aware of this.
The problems you encountered,apart from cessation of service, are caused by cost cutting.
If you have a problem with this contact Dixon.
Let me reassure you he is more interested in his bonus than your meal service.
Crew do the best with what is available.
It is now mandatory to be able to apologize in 15 languages.
"Apology Airlines" sux
Crew are to strap in and subsequenlty service ceases.
This is SOP
QANTAS experiences a large number of CAT events per year,some of which result in injury.
.
A meal cart landing on your 12 year old will do a lot more harm than missing out on child's pak.
If,as yo say,you have been in the industry for 35 years you must be aware of this.
The problems you encountered,apart from cessation of service, are caused by cost cutting.
If you have a problem with this contact Dixon.
Let me reassure you he is more interested in his bonus than your meal service.
Crew do the best with what is available.
It is now mandatory to be able to apologize in 15 languages.
"Apology Airlines" sux
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JJ,
I am aware of the turbulence situation, been a pilot for those 35 years. There is no real need to cease service unless F/A boss deems it necessary or directed by flight deck, your SOP's need amending. All airlines have the same problem but QF reaction is over the top.
I am aware of the turbulence situation, been a pilot for those 35 years. There is no real need to cease service unless F/A boss deems it necessary or directed by flight deck, your SOP's need amending. All airlines have the same problem but QF reaction is over the top.
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Skol.
The policy is an insurance requirement.
If you dont believe me ring 'MW'head of reg affiars.
If the seatbelt sign comes on, and service is not suspended and there is an injury, QF will be liable.
I have paxed with at least one dozen other carriers - none of them continue service in turbulence.
If you have '35 years' experience you would know this.
Yet another wind up merchant ground gripping fool on this forum
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The policy is an insurance requirement.
If you dont believe me ring 'MW'head of reg affiars.
If the seatbelt sign comes on, and service is not suspended and there is an injury, QF will be liable.
I have paxed with at least one dozen other carriers - none of them continue service in turbulence.
If you have '35 years' experience you would know this.
Yet another wind up merchant ground gripping fool on this forum
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Calligula,
Guess 14000 hrs Pin C of 747-200/400 not enough for your stringent requirements. To make pax suffer because someone puts the signs on because of a jiggle is crap. How do you take care of unexpected CAT? You may as well put the signs on the whole time to cover your asses then GD could save money on food/drink as well.
Guess 14000 hrs Pin C of 747-200/400 not enough for your stringent requirements. To make pax suffer because someone puts the signs on because of a jiggle is crap. How do you take care of unexpected CAT? You may as well put the signs on the whole time to cover your asses then GD could save money on food/drink as well.