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Old 7th Oct 2005, 21:20
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Gee, and I missed it!

landing at Brisbane Airport's main runway
better there I suppose than at the beach, goodness me, where the hell else would it get a park so quickly on the airport?

Jericho you are a crackup!
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Old 7th Oct 2005, 21:30
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Strike jet lands at civilian airport
My God! Can they do that?

The Brisbane Courier Mail also reports that

the aircraft made the landing under duress
In case others are wondering like I was;

Towbar was despatched by Caribou and arrived at Brisbane at around 7:20 pm. Runway was all clear by 8 pm.
from jetspotters.com

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Old 7th Oct 2005, 21:54
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1_engine_driftdown

That chopper was doing orbits over Toohey forest for at least an hour. I only saw the F111's coming in as I was outside watching the QES helecopter.(Only about 1 K from home)

Apologies to all. It just didn't occure to me to call the media and let them know a helecopter was searching Toohey forest for F111 engine parts.
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Not quite 18 Wheeler. The thronomister 3SGE installed under an Engineering Order (OE) in the Fraser Pig results in improved performance but can't match the 4AGZE equipped Westfield SEi!

Hmmmm ... in danger of revealing too much about yourself there!

(The Fraser is betterer anyway!)
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Old 7th Oct 2005, 22:29
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Just wondering, how do you place an F-111 "under duress"? Presumably it would go something like this.

A booming authoritarian voice addresses the aeroplane;

"Listen up Big Nose. If you know what's good for you, you will safely return your two occupants to terra firma. Otherwise, we understand you still have relatives living in Amberley."

Clearly it worked on this occasion.
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Old 7th Oct 2005, 22:43
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Well actually Sunfish was on PX005 returning from Moresby after a weeks diving in Milne bay.

We were on descent into BNE at about FL15 when the Captain announced that an F111 had closed the main runway for at least an hour. We stooged around for ten minutes while he contacted the company and then we diverted to Sydney.

A big thumbs up to Virgin Blue staff at Sydney who changed my Brisbane - Melbourne flight booking to a Sydney - Melbourne one and got me on an aircraft 20 minutes later at no charge!
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 03:34
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Must have been a peculiar set of circumstanses to cause the crew to elect to make an emergency lob into Brisbane, maybe use the brake hydraulic accumulator to stop and then be unble to clear a main runway.

Much could be explained if the crew were seen to be running briskly away from their Ardvark after stopping.

Why ignore home base, close by, equipped to catch an ailing F-111 by its arrestor hook and bring it to comfortable rest unless continuing time in the air had become an overriding factor.

The whys will be most interesting.
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 03:50
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Closer to the Brekky Creek?
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Must have been a peculiar set of circumstanses to cause the crew to elect to make an emergency lob into Brisbane, maybe use the brake hydraulic accumulator to stop and then be unble to clear a main runway.
A fair few brake applications available after a hyd failure, not much in the way of nosewheel steering though. It'll be interesting to know why Amberley wasn't used - bound to be a good reason, you wouldn't just lob into Brissy 'cos you felt like it (Brekky Creek notwithstanding). A hyd failure on its own isn't hugely time-critical - takes a fair while to activate all the alternate systems, so you can't just fling the jet at the nearest available strip of bitumen.

The real question is, what on earth were they still doing at work at 5 pm on a Friday??!! What is the RAAF coming to??
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 05:51
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Diverted from AMB due xwind.

Chopper was 'contingency'.
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 09:05
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I've been very interested in this item because it appears that many of you pilot and co-pilot types have let your guard down with respect to this thronomister.

From what you've said it appears to be only used on multiple engined planes, and that it's required for hydraulics and steering. You've also let slip that it's on engine number 2.

Some questions for you.

1) Does this mean that engine number 2 is a target for terrorists? The engines os most aircraft seem to be exposed at the front and back, so couldn't terrorists target them?

2) I've heard that some parts of big planes have plutonium or uranium (or something) in them. Is it this part?

3) If you can lose control with a faulty thronomister (it seemes to be used for landings with cross winds) does it only affect steering, or up and down control too.

Thanks.

one more thing. are engines counted from the left or right, and is it when you are facing the plane, or facing the same way? Or are the numbers random for security?
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 10:09
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Well, this is all very amusing but... could you imagine any other third world aviation country allowing the boys in their toys to land at an international airport and take it out of action?
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 10:40
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amos, uh yeah - that 3rd world society the US of bloody A for a starter.

Ever been around when AF1 is operating?

And during an unforecast 'haircut' as happened at KLAX?
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Well, this is all very amusing but... could you imagine any other third world aviation country allowing the boys in their toys to land at an international airport and take it out of action?
Well, given that the options of the 'boys in their toys' [ ], having declared an emergency, would've consisted of:

a. landing on a nice long runway within crosswind limits at Brisbane,

b. landing outside crosswind limits at Amberley with reduced controllability,

c. hanging round hoping the wind will drop off (with maybe not much fuel left anyway), or

d. ejecting,

I'm kind of hoping all the other 3rd world aviation countries would do the same.
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Well, this is all very amusing but... could you imagine any other third world aviation country allowing the boys in their toys to land at an international airport and take it out of action?
What a stupid thing to say!

Do you think the pilot thought "F##k it, let's close Brisbane for a laugh"..
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 14:54
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An often mistaken fact is that the Number 2 engine exists on only multi-engine types. All aircraft, up to 5 engines, require a Number 2 engine for CASA compliance. Non aviation types will think this is a joke when considered against a single engine aircraft however, that single engine is referred to as the Number 2 engine.

It all stems back to the Wright brothers and that famous quote; "Orville, that number 2 engine is playing up again!" This was reported at the time under the headline; "Seconds from Death!" Now, to the questions posed...

(1) National security forbids me from identifying what could be a target for terrorists however, if I was a terrorist, I'd aim for a more reliable engine than the Number 2. Not all engines are exposed at the front and the back

(2) The Thronomister has neither of these. However, it contains a rare substance known as Corbormite. This is extremely volatile but, LAME's are professionals & know what they are doing.

(3) Both. In tight situations, when stress is high & testosterone is flowing, you need a thronomister to handle the up and down motions on your joystick.

The engine numbers are random. Sometimes the Captain will be referring to the Number 1 engine and the Co Pilot will be thinking he is talking about Number 3. Whilst it can cause some CRM (that's Captains Random Motor) complications, the risk is mitigated by the fact that terrorists will have no idea which engine to target.
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 21:16
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The real question is, what on earth were they still doing at work at 5 pm on a Friday??!! What is the RAAF coming to??
That should be "What were they doing flying after lunchtime on Friday??"

But as an adjunct question "How did they get the ATC in the tower at that time of the day?" Or is that why they diverted to Brisbane? The old Amberely MBZ syndrome?

Thronomisters, schronmisters...I blame it all on 'affordable safety'!
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 21:21
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I've heard a few military controllers that had me close to requesting MBZ
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Old 9th Oct 2005, 05:46
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There has been far too little attention paid to the real hero of the situation. An appropriate article (perhaps from a reputable publication like People Magazine) would be something like:

'Busted Bomber Puts Kibosh on Champion Caribou Crew'

Shocking scenes were seen today when heroic Caribou aircrew were called upon yet again to save under-endowed Pig Pushers from major embarrassment when their stricken strike steed struggled to sustain a suitable standard of steering and stopping system integrity and blocked the main runway at Brisbane earlier today.
A spokesman for the generous and good-hearted gravel truck group, who cannot be identified for security reasons, said exclusively to our aviation reporter Mandy Mammatus: 'Show us your tits!', a request with which she was only too happy to comply, confiding afterwards: 'I wouldn't have done it for those jet plonkers, they're totally overrated!'.
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Old 9th Oct 2005, 07:43
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A spokesman for the generous and good-hearted gravel truck group...said exclusively to our aviation reporter Mandy Mammatus: 'Show us your tits!', a request with which she was only too happy to comply, confiding afterwards: 'I wouldn't have done it for those jet plonkers, they're totally overrated!'.
Now AOTW, you know I only comply for those dashing men in their Iroquois flying machines...

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