Jetstar Cross Cockpit Qualifications
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You must be tempted?
I imagine there will be a counter-offer from QF management. Slick tactics anyway- rumoured Direct Entry with consideration to the number of disaffected, high time and current Aussie 330 drivers abroad.
Maybe the J* crew will CCQ just for fun.
The 2000 hours won't see any Impulse divers in the 330 seat. Suits the ex-AN drivers and current QF F/O's may get the commands- the man they label Lawnmower man will get his command back closing another chapter in his remarkable tenacity to outplay the system. Good on him!
You must be tempted?
I imagine there will be a counter-offer from QF management. Slick tactics anyway- rumoured Direct Entry with consideration to the number of disaffected, high time and current Aussie 330 drivers abroad.
Maybe the J* crew will CCQ just for fun.
The 2000 hours won't see any Impulse divers in the 330 seat. Suits the ex-AN drivers and current QF F/O's may get the commands- the man they label Lawnmower man will get his command back closing another chapter in his remarkable tenacity to outplay the system. Good on him!
Regarding the QF selection process-
----there are a number of ex Ansett pilots including some senior Check Captains that failed this and were still employed and also one fellow who was recently recruited who was employed without even doing an interview---
Interesting operation all around but despite the vitriol there are many extremely capable and experienced pilots in this group who come from {both sides{ and many different walks of life. Am in Seoul in a hotel and this keyboard is a challenge so apologies for the typos.
Safe flying to all.
----there are a number of ex Ansett pilots including some senior Check Captains that failed this and were still employed and also one fellow who was recently recruited who was employed without even doing an interview---
Interesting operation all around but despite the vitriol there are many extremely capable and experienced pilots in this group who come from {both sides{ and many different walks of life. Am in Seoul in a hotel and this keyboard is a challenge so apologies for the typos.
Safe flying to all.
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The lawnmower man mush have some unbelievable dirt on somebody because he is now wearing F/O bars some 1000 numbers out of seniority.
Bog-etti and the CP have told the COM that 'a deal is there to be done on JQ international'
Depite all their retoric, they dont want clowns driving their aircraft - and that means the crews will come from mainline.
It will be on substantially reduced conditions though.
RIP AO as well
Bog-etti and the CP have told the COM that 'a deal is there to be done on JQ international'
Depite all their retoric, they dont want clowns driving their aircraft - and that means the crews will come from mainline.
It will be on substantially reduced conditions though.
RIP AO as well
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Don't forget that Jetstar Asia has pilots with 10,000 hours on Airbus and maybe a few thousand on 330/340s.
No problems about Australian work contracts and seniority there.
Just good operators with more experience than the other guys could ever hope to have.
Of course not a patch on the "mainline guys" ........he..he...he.
Many other Aussies ( like myself) floating about with the experience too.
May look in to it.
No problems about Australian work contracts and seniority there.
Just good operators with more experience than the other guys could ever hope to have.
Of course not a patch on the "mainline guys" ........he..he...he.
Many other Aussies ( like myself) floating about with the experience too.
May look in to it.
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To the wellsprings of QF selection who claim that many a good pilot has fallen foul of the QF selection, you have totally missed the point. That being that if it's good enough for one set of pilots to do the QF selection, then it's good enough for ALL sets of pilots to do it.
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"The 2000 hours won't see any Impulse divers in the 330 seat."
Think again my friend, (There is more than one!) and amongst the people in this company, that a lot of you deride, they are, almost exclusively, very good operators.
Just because some of them havnt passed the QF tests (Pluuuease!) dosnt mean they cant fly! Anybody (and I mean anybody!) can pass those tests as long as they can do about 3 weeks advance study.
However to be a real Qantas pilot you do have to take W@nker lessons for a considerable time. Unless you are one already
And if anyone censors that last remark, please also censor the "scum" comment of a previous post...obviously Mr Conrad has a"Heart of Darkness"
And I just noticed this one from the aptly named Calligula........... (This Roman ruler "The sources describe his incestuous relations with his sisters, laughable military campaigns in the north, the building of a pontoon bridge across the Bay at Baiae, and the plan to make his horse a consul.")
Which rather goes well with:-
"Depite all their retoric, they dont want clowns driving their aircraft - and that means the crews will come from mainline."
Send in the clowns Calligula, you got plenty over there........... I mean look at the Lawnmower Man... look at what they did to Jetstar Asia, not specking out the A330 properly, it just goes on and on...........
Cheers,
James
Think again my friend, (There is more than one!) and amongst the people in this company, that a lot of you deride, they are, almost exclusively, very good operators.
Just because some of them havnt passed the QF tests (Pluuuease!) dosnt mean they cant fly! Anybody (and I mean anybody!) can pass those tests as long as they can do about 3 weeks advance study.
However to be a real Qantas pilot you do have to take W@nker lessons for a considerable time. Unless you are one already
And if anyone censors that last remark, please also censor the "scum" comment of a previous post...obviously Mr Conrad has a"Heart of Darkness"
And I just noticed this one from the aptly named Calligula........... (This Roman ruler "The sources describe his incestuous relations with his sisters, laughable military campaigns in the north, the building of a pontoon bridge across the Bay at Baiae, and the plan to make his horse a consul.")
Which rather goes well with:-
"Depite all their retoric, they dont want clowns driving their aircraft - and that means the crews will come from mainline."
Send in the clowns Calligula, you got plenty over there........... I mean look at the Lawnmower Man... look at what they did to Jetstar Asia, not specking out the A330 properly, it just goes on and on...........
Cheers,
James
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Read the post again w@nker 4th....noone said if you cant pass the QF selection you cant fly an aeroplane, lose the chip on your shoulder for not getting accepted into Qantas.
Answer this logic, why should Impulse pilots not have to do QF selection to fly for Jet* and other, as you put it, suitable pilots who want to fly for Jet* have to do the QF selection, with a vast majority of them getting knocked back?
Answer this logic, why should Impulse pilots not have to do QF selection to fly for Jet* and other, as you put it, suitable pilots who want to fly for Jet* have to do the QF selection, with a vast majority of them getting knocked back?
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Quite simple Claret, it's their train set and they set the rules. May be worth remembering that if QF hadn't bought the company the pilots would have been off to Centrelink.
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Well said Slim. Unfortunately, I think alot of the poster here are too busy looking over the fence at other operations. Probably better of to tidy up your own backyard first!!
Aviation need not be this hard gentlemen. Being a "Professional" pilot does not require you to be a full time @s$hole.
Take a chill pill.
DM
Aviation need not be this hard gentlemen. Being a "Professional" pilot does not require you to be a full time @s$hole.
Take a chill pill.
DM
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Bottom line is Jetstar already has numerous Management and line Pilots with a lot more Airbus experience than most in Mainline. So its not a huge step to positon A330 in that operation.
There is already an Mou that would let Qantas pilots transition across to Jetstar. A few ex Airbus experience F/0s and S/0s will fit the bill nicely. 5 day transition A320 to 330.
Or alternately I am sure Geoff would love to see the union negotiate down to keep the operation which would serve him better.
The sooner Qantas Pilots pull their heads out of the sand and see what has happened and is happening around the world with the rationalization of the airline industry post Sept 11. My advice reduce your gearing and buckle down, honeymoons over!!!
Some realise sooner than overs. Aviations golden years finish 3 years ago. Its now a job with a lot less shine!
There is already an Mou that would let Qantas pilots transition across to Jetstar. A few ex Airbus experience F/0s and S/0s will fit the bill nicely. 5 day transition A320 to 330.
Or alternately I am sure Geoff would love to see the union negotiate down to keep the operation which would serve him better.
The sooner Qantas Pilots pull their heads out of the sand and see what has happened and is happening around the world with the rationalization of the airline industry post Sept 11. My advice reduce your gearing and buckle down, honeymoons over!!!
Some realise sooner than overs. Aviations golden years finish 3 years ago. Its now a job with a lot less shine!
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Well said JJ, and BTW Mr Conrad, I WAS in Qantas but was so bored with the "sheltered workshop" mentality, arrogance and dumb assed SOPs I got out before I became one of them. Just in time!
I find the flying OS where I am now much more refreshing, uncomplicated and enjoyable.
Cheers,
James
I find the flying OS where I am now much more refreshing, uncomplicated and enjoyable.
Cheers,
James
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I've got a GREAT idea! While we're all busy getting Impulse pilots to pass the "holy grail" of recruitment procedures to prove they're worthy of elevation to the vaunted status of "employed by the Qantas Group"('coz Qantas only hires THE best people!
), why don't we get REALLY retrospective and make all of the original Australian Airlines (TN) pilots do the entry-requirement testing too.
I mean, Qantas bought that company too (or was it merged? I'm sure that matters if it suits!).
Oops! Hang on! Most of those guys are either Captains, senior Captains or management pilots with QF now, aren't they?
Bugger! All of you who argue the "test Impulse pilots" line must hate glass houses!
Alternatively, the Qantas board could have said; "We'll use Impulse as the operating vehicle for our LCC, but we'll sack all of their fully-trained and type experienced pilots, retrain an equal number of our own pilots who've NEVER flown a 717, and then hire an equal number of guys off the street to fill the spaces left by our own guys who filled the spaces left by those "evil" Impulse pilots! Hurrah! Bonuses for everyone!"
Yes, it is their train-set. Which is why Impulse pilots don't need to sit the tests and why ex-TN pilots don't need to sit the tests. It saves time and money NOT to do so.
The red-tailed ostrich farm grows bigger.
), why don't we get REALLY retrospective and make all of the original Australian Airlines (TN) pilots do the entry-requirement testing too.I mean, Qantas bought that company too (or was it merged? I'm sure that matters if it suits!).
Oops! Hang on! Most of those guys are either Captains, senior Captains or management pilots with QF now, aren't they?
Bugger! All of you who argue the "test Impulse pilots" line must hate glass houses!
Alternatively, the Qantas board could have said; "We'll use Impulse as the operating vehicle for our LCC, but we'll sack all of their fully-trained and type experienced pilots, retrain an equal number of our own pilots who've NEVER flown a 717, and then hire an equal number of guys off the street to fill the spaces left by our own guys who filled the spaces left by those "evil" Impulse pilots! Hurrah! Bonuses for everyone!"
Yes, it is their train-set. Which is why Impulse pilots don't need to sit the tests and why ex-TN pilots don't need to sit the tests. It saves time and money NOT to do so.
The red-tailed ostrich farm grows bigger.
Jet Jockey,
If that's the way you feel (and I'm sure it does feel like that working for Jokestar), then get out. And close the door after you thanks. The rest of us will try and maintain/improve conditions instead of giving up and admitting defeat.
TL
Its now a job with a lot less shine!
TL
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Flyingins, how do you justify those Impulse pilots who have previously FAILED the Qantas selection process, in many cases more than once? I believe that the point that guys like Pete are trying to make is exactly that, not just that they should all be tested now (a clearly ridiculous idea which you are pushing to save your own sorry @rse no doubt).
How is it that these people are not good enough on one pay scale, but you drop that down to less than half, and suddenly they are OK? Naaaahhhhh. Sorry, but that just don't wash.
And guys like you will tell me that the Qantas selection process MUST be flawed because YOU didn't pass, right? It is ALWAYS the defence of the narcissistic. Sorry, but Pete Conrad has a valid point, one which the travelling public are clearly ignorant of.
How is it that these people are not good enough on one pay scale, but you drop that down to less than half, and suddenly they are OK? Naaaahhhhh. Sorry, but that just don't wash.
And guys like you will tell me that the Qantas selection process MUST be flawed because YOU didn't pass, right? It is ALWAYS the defence of the narcissistic. Sorry, but Pete Conrad has a valid point, one which the travelling public are clearly ignorant of.
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Maybe J* can come up with new terminology for it:
"Cross crew qualification" is too hard to say when you turn up half-pissed at the sim...
Which pen-pushing desk-jockey coined that term??
"Cross crew qualification" is too hard to say when you turn up half-pissed at the sim...
Which pen-pushing desk-jockey coined that term??