Virgin Blue - Who's Telling the Truth?
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Timmeee et al,
I don't hate QF, don't hate anyone actually. Wasted emotion. But I don't understand how, when we all know that more passengers into OZ = more jobs overall, why people continue to say that this wonderfully managed airline cannot yet be subjected to open competition. If not now, WHEN?
If they were struggling and trying to restructure (Air Canada?) then I might see a case to give the, say a 3 year window. But these QF management people are openly praised as Lords of the Skies. It's nothing to do with Melbourne at all. Can they cope or not? If they need protection to stay alive then by definition they are not extremely well managed, they are just pampered. There isn't a third option.
You ask why this thread has moved frm VB to QF? Simple, its about competition. I lived in the corporate floors of TN at the time deregulation was being mooted to the absolute dismay of a high percentage of executives at both ends of Franklin St. They had every argument under the sun. But the sky didn't fall in and there are now way more domestic jet jobs (and lets not forget there are jobs other than pilots!) than ever there would have been if the pro-regulation/duopoly mob had had their way.
On what possible grounds do we defend the QF monopoly on Australian rights across the Pacific. Or on anyones rights? QF are well run, have a modern fleet and polite, fun-filled enthusiastic staff with stellar, cutting edge management and leadership talent. Right? Why couldn't they cope?
And if not now, WHEN?
I don't hate QF, don't hate anyone actually. Wasted emotion. But I don't understand how, when we all know that more passengers into OZ = more jobs overall, why people continue to say that this wonderfully managed airline cannot yet be subjected to open competition. If not now, WHEN?
If they were struggling and trying to restructure (Air Canada?) then I might see a case to give the, say a 3 year window. But these QF management people are openly praised as Lords of the Skies. It's nothing to do with Melbourne at all. Can they cope or not? If they need protection to stay alive then by definition they are not extremely well managed, they are just pampered. There isn't a third option.
You ask why this thread has moved frm VB to QF? Simple, its about competition. I lived in the corporate floors of TN at the time deregulation was being mooted to the absolute dismay of a high percentage of executives at both ends of Franklin St. They had every argument under the sun. But the sky didn't fall in and there are now way more domestic jet jobs (and lets not forget there are jobs other than pilots!) than ever there would have been if the pro-regulation/duopoly mob had had their way.
On what possible grounds do we defend the QF monopoly on Australian rights across the Pacific. Or on anyones rights? QF are well run, have a modern fleet and polite, fun-filled enthusiastic staff with stellar, cutting edge management and leadership talent. Right? Why couldn't they cope?
And if not now, WHEN?
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What's going on here?
This is supposed to be about DJ's fuel hedging or lack thereof.
Our mate Sunfish has hijacked a thread yet again to indulge his fanciful conspiratorial fantasies. We all need to ignore him and refuse him oxygen.
Our mate Sunfish has hijacked a thread yet again to indulge his fanciful conspiratorial fantasies. We all need to ignore him and refuse him oxygen.
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Elektra, whats deregulation done for Australia? Are we any better off nowadays? I honestly ask you? Are we not back to the days of a duopoly? In an age of rising jet fuel and increasing labour costs and redundancies, has deregulation helped the Australian aviation industry? Are regional centres better served nowadays? Is staff morale better? are there better career prospects in Australia?
I aint anti deregulation, but if anybody thinks that the Australian aviation scene is better off these days a a result, they are seriously deluded.
This industry has been trashed by the likes of Impulse who have succeeded in making pay for your type ratings a requirement and resulted in Qantas now pitting one subsidiary off against the other to provide a service for however cheap and nasty as they can get it.
It was once an industry where you could get into a great regional like Kendell, then know you had a 30 plus year career ahead of you, now it's just full of desperado's and table thumping fools like the idiots that run Jet*, again that do nothing but pit and play off one group of employees against another in the name of cutting costs and again sacrificing pay and conditions.
And Sunfish, your comments and opinions are like your lower intestine........ stinking and loaded with danger!
I aint anti deregulation, but if anybody thinks that the Australian aviation scene is better off these days a a result, they are seriously deluded.
This industry has been trashed by the likes of Impulse who have succeeded in making pay for your type ratings a requirement and resulted in Qantas now pitting one subsidiary off against the other to provide a service for however cheap and nasty as they can get it.
It was once an industry where you could get into a great regional like Kendell, then know you had a 30 plus year career ahead of you, now it's just full of desperado's and table thumping fools like the idiots that run Jet*, again that do nothing but pit and play off one group of employees against another in the name of cutting costs and again sacrificing pay and conditions.
And Sunfish, your comments and opinions are like your lower intestine........ stinking and loaded with danger!
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Pete.
I agree with a lot you say about the state of the industry, but you talk entirely from a pilots perspective. The vast majority of that which ails our side of things is directly related to the quality of the scumbags and parasites inhabiting the glass towers and mahogony offices, and their preparedness to exploit our human weakness's
If you ask the questions, "Is the travel industry as a whole, and the country's economy, as a whole, better or worse off from dereg", I think the answer would be a resounding Yes. More domestic travel and greater inbound tourism are a fact.
Sheet home blame where it belongs, and keep your eye on the bigger picture
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I agree with a lot you say about the state of the industry, but you talk entirely from a pilots perspective. The vast majority of that which ails our side of things is directly related to the quality of the scumbags and parasites inhabiting the glass towers and mahogony offices, and their preparedness to exploit our human weakness's
If you ask the questions, "Is the travel industry as a whole, and the country's economy, as a whole, better or worse off from dereg", I think the answer would be a resounding Yes. More domestic travel and greater inbound tourism are a fact.
Sheet home blame where it belongs, and keep your eye on the bigger picture
TAC On
