D/E Commands at Eagle
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D/E Commands at Eagle
The current ground course have all been given tentative start dates for full time positions (2 year bond).
They were also told that due to the huge amount of movement and possible fleet expansion (2 new aircraft in Feb) Eagle may soon have to consider taking on direct entry captains.
Looking at the current seniority list and lack of eligable F/Os I wouldn't be surprised.
They were also told that due to the huge amount of movement and possible fleet expansion (2 new aircraft in Feb) Eagle may soon have to consider taking on direct entry captains.
Looking at the current seniority list and lack of eligable F/Os I wouldn't be surprised.
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From: Surrounding the localizer
Cloud........how successful has eagle been at attracting Ex-pats back?
Heard through the grapevine..that its been a bit of a fruitless exercise..i.e. getting interest from guys they dont really want.
Heard through the grapevine..that its been a bit of a fruitless exercise..i.e. getting interest from guys they dont really want.
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From: Euroland
Oh god I can't believe it! Where's my CV...??? It's a miracle.
I'm not really satisfied though. I mean, I'm a training captain on a jet, so really they should take me on as a training captain (and buy some jets for me to train on). Sorry, I don't train on turboprops. Beneath me, you see.
Tell you what, I'll agree to work for them if they make sure that there are three hosties on my flight. Oh, and a First Officer that knows his place and doesn't interfere when I forget something.
Yes, this could be good...
Kaptin M
The stuff you eat lots of before a medical...??? 
I'm not really satisfied though. I mean, I'm a training captain on a jet, so really they should take me on as a training captain (and buy some jets for me to train on). Sorry, I don't train on turboprops. Beneath me, you see.
Tell you what, I'll agree to work for them if they make sure that there are three hosties on my flight. Oh, and a First Officer that knows his place and doesn't interfere when I forget something.
Yes, this could be good...
Kaptin M
What is the celery?
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Ahem
You mean you WERE a Training Captain on a jet!!
The old Flying Forehead might take an ole feller like you by surprise mate! At least you would be able to impart your generous knowledge to the great unwashed.
Kap M, bases are in regional centers, but, I guess you're probably not really interested 
There is a base in Blenheim, its only about 3 or so hours to Hanmer Springs.
Nosey
The old Flying Forehead might take an ole feller like you by surprise mate! At least you would be able to impart your generous knowledge to the great unwashed.
Kap M, bases are in regional centers, but, I guess you're probably not really interested
There is a base in Blenheim, its only about 3 or so hours to Hanmer Springs.Nosey
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From: Euroland
Nope... still am one, it seems. Just off back to euroland to do some training on a short-term contract. The salary is about five times what an Eagle captain makes... and accommodation and transport is all supplied. And I have to fly a jet (more or less).
Yes, it's a rough life, back in the mother country...
Yes, it's a rough life, back in the mother country...
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
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From: The Global village
Blenheim...3 hours from Hanmer???
That must be on a Massey Ferguson tractor on dismal day, Nosey!!
Hmmmmmmmm, slightly appealing.
Blenheim itself is not too bad a place to be based, if one were to be honest with oneself!
That must be on a Massey Ferguson tractor on dismal day, Nosey!!
Hmmmmmmmm, slightly appealing.
Blenheim itself is not too bad a place to be based, if one were to be honest with oneself!
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From: All over the show like a madwomans crap
hmm
Kap, never driven it, let alone on a MF! Talk about a misery trip that would be! I know you like Hanmer, which is why I mentioned it to you. Blenheim is the biggest base Eagle has these days. Salary for a Captain would be on the order of 55K. I do stand to be corrected however.
MOR, thought you might want to stick around and share the knowledge and stir it up with the CAA Maybe when you get back eh?
Nosey
MOR, thought you might want to stick around and share the knowledge and stir it up with the CAA
Maybe when you get back eh? Nosey
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haughtney1
Yeah, not sure what sort of interest they're getting but there is deffinately some from the right sort of applicants - I think 3/10 of the last interview round were Aussies (some of them never been to NZ). A couple ex Mac_air I think. With the state of the regionals over there I think these guys have made a good move.
The next round of (F/O) interviews is at the end of the month. The ground course for this lot was scheduled for October, but due to the fast pace of current recruitment it has been rescheduled for mid September. I would anticipate calls going out in late Aug or early Sep for the next lot of interviews. Magic numbers for applicants - 1000 hrs (although even this is being overlooked in a few cases), and some multi IFR - anything over 150 is looking competitive.
Salary: Basic 1st year Captain untill 18/02/06: $46,000
Allowances: Depending on base: $6,000-10,000+ tax free.
(the highest salary currently contracted for would be Year 11 Capt in 2007: $70,237, C/T Allowance is $10,000)
Yeah, not sure what sort of interest they're getting but there is deffinately some from the right sort of applicants - I think 3/10 of the last interview round were Aussies (some of them never been to NZ). A couple ex Mac_air I think. With the state of the regionals over there I think these guys have made a good move.
The next round of (F/O) interviews is at the end of the month. The ground course for this lot was scheduled for October, but due to the fast pace of current recruitment it has been rescheduled for mid September. I would anticipate calls going out in late Aug or early Sep for the next lot of interviews. Magic numbers for applicants - 1000 hrs (although even this is being overlooked in a few cases), and some multi IFR - anything over 150 is looking competitive.
Salary: Basic 1st year Captain untill 18/02/06: $46,000
Allowances: Depending on base: $6,000-10,000+ tax free.
(the highest salary currently contracted for would be Year 11 Capt in 2007: $70,237, C/T Allowance is $10,000)
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mattyj
No worries, I was i your shoes not so long ago.
NZLeardriver
DEC Requirements (min from the FOM):
NZATPL
500 Hrs X/C
2000 TT
1000 Multi
12 Months Air Transport recommended
Keep in mind the facility for DEC hasn't been used for a while and it's still only a possibility.
Don't know about fast upgrades, the current min for promotion from within the company is 500 hours on company aircraft, 2000 hours total time. These are both flexible if no other suitable applicants exist but haven't heard of them being waved recently and I assume this is the reason for talk of DEC.
No worries, I was i your shoes not so long ago.
NZLeardriver
DEC Requirements (min from the FOM):
NZATPL
500 Hrs X/C
2000 TT
1000 Multi
12 Months Air Transport recommended
Keep in mind the facility for DEC hasn't been used for a while and it's still only a possibility.
Don't know about fast upgrades, the current min for promotion from within the company is 500 hours on company aircraft, 2000 hours total time. These are both flexible if no other suitable applicants exist but haven't heard of them being waved recently and I assume this is the reason for talk of DEC.
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From: South of zero
Theres still plenty of F/O's with ATPL requirements and i'm sure they would all take commands if the company was putting capts in the correct places and not just boosting numbers in bases that dont need it
I would think ALPA wouldn't be to happy about DE commands for reasons we all know. The only way it will happen is via the contract and only if NO F/O was even close to requirements.
More aircraft will only see more problems unfortunaly, i think we would be better off getting the crewing correct for 16 a/c before adding 2.
splat
I would think ALPA wouldn't be to happy about DE commands for reasons we all know. The only way it will happen is via the contract and only if NO F/O was even close to requirements.
More aircraft will only see more problems unfortunaly, i think we would be better off getting the crewing correct for 16 a/c before adding 2.
splat
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From: Euroland
I would think ALPA wouldn't be to happy about DE commands for reasons we all know. The only way it will happen is via the contract and only if NO F/O was even close to requirements.
The idea that you protect the career progression of F/Os at any cost is out of the HR ark. Besides, those very F/Os will be the first to stab Eagle and the back, and head off to a bigger carrier.
The rest of the world realised, a, long time ago, that you need a stable core of experienced, committed captains in your company. If you have to hire them from outside, then that's what you do.
Not that many would probably want to go there for that sort of money, but still...
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From: Euroland
Well it may look attractive if you are currently banging around the fleshpots of Asia, but it isn't quite so nice if you can't afford a half-reasonable house or a decent car...
Nice to retire to, I guess. Not nice if you have aspirations beyond the most basic living conditions.
Anyway, the last thing we want over here is a pile of deadbeat immigrants from the West Island taking Kiwi jobs. That is nearly as bad as Kiwis that have gone overseas and then come come. ALPA will have a thing or two to say about that!!!
Nice to retire to, I guess. Not nice if you have aspirations beyond the most basic living conditions.
Anyway, the last thing we want over here is a pile of deadbeat immigrants from the West Island taking Kiwi jobs. That is nearly as bad as Kiwis that have gone overseas and then come come. ALPA will have a thing or two to say about that!!!
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Splat
I certainly agree with what you're saying. I was surprised to hear the talk of DECs. I can only see it happening if the current rate of progression continues for another 6 months or so. While there are F/O's with the ATPL requirements, there's not an abundance with decent experience (like yourself), and as MOR said there is a danger of thinning out the experience of captains just to satisfy the union.
I think you have to be vary carefull taking on inexperienced F/Os and upgrading them with less than 12 months service.
I certainly agree with what you're saying. I was surprised to hear the talk of DECs. I can only see it happening if the current rate of progression continues for another 6 months or so. While there are F/O's with the ATPL requirements, there's not an abundance with decent experience (like yourself), and as MOR said there is a danger of thinning out the experience of captains just to satisfy the union.
I think you have to be vary carefull taking on inexperienced F/Os and upgrading them with less than 12 months service.