Air France A340 Crashed!
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first report that came out was... a lufthansa 737 which had 200 people on board. I guess the germans 737ETOPS has reached new levels of seating arrangements. And you thought VB was cramped..
ah... gotta love aviation reporting
ah... gotta love aviation reporting
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This from the initial post on this thread has got me scratching my head.
"The airline said 297 passengers and 12 crew were aboard the plane."
Followed a couple of lines later with......................
"The long haul A340 jet, which can carry up to 250 people, overshot the runway and crashed into trees and bushes in a gully that separates the airport perimeter from a busy highway."
So tell me, how many does a 343 carry and how many were onboard the aircraft.
Well Done Crew.
tipsy
me thinks somebody just used one of my 9 lives.
"The airline said 297 passengers and 12 crew were aboard the plane."
Followed a couple of lines later with......................
"The long haul A340 jet, which can carry up to 250 people, overshot the runway and crashed into trees and bushes in a gully that separates the airport perimeter from a busy highway."
So tell me, how many does a 343 carry and how many were onboard the aircraft.
Well Done Crew.
tipsy
me thinks somebody just used one of my 9 lives.
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Just went to Sabre and they configure the a340-300 used on that run at J 30 Y 261.
That is obviously saleable seats. No doubt some are kept clear for crew rest.
Best regards
EWL
Just went to Sabre and they configure the a340-300 used on that run at J 30 Y 261.
That is obviously saleable seats. No doubt some are kept clear for crew rest.
Best regards
EWL
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Makes you guys on QF1 look pretty lucky really.
Just one broken fuel line on one of those bent engines could have caused the same thing - but the precautionary disembarkation would have fixed everything I guess.....
Just one broken fuel line on one of those bent engines could have caused the same thing - but the precautionary disembarkation would have fixed everything I guess.....
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Eastwest Loco,
Just a little correction.
Maybe the first A340 hull loss in a crash however Air France lost a brand new A340, I don't think it had actually done a revenue flight since new but stand to be corrected on that, while it was parked due to an over heated hydraulic pump that caught fire and the aircraft was completely gutted.
SQ had a similar incidence a short time later however a very alert ground crew spotted the fire and called "F Troop". Fire extingushed with a considerable amount of damage but repaireable.
Just a little correction.
Maybe the first A340 hull loss in a crash however Air France lost a brand new A340, I don't think it had actually done a revenue flight since new but stand to be corrected on that, while it was parked due to an over heated hydraulic pump that caught fire and the aircraft was completely gutted.
SQ had a similar incidence a short time later however a very alert ground crew spotted the fire and called "F Troop". Fire extingushed with a considerable amount of damage but repaireable.
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Ha! That's comical.
How'd you be?
Brand new A340 basking in the sunshine, not yet 'christened', and it catches fire cause of a hydraulic pump and gets written off!!
Wonder if the warranty covers that one? If not, hopefully it was insured when it happened, or if they were really unlucky, the insurance policy commenced the next day.
Some things, as unfortunate as they can be, are very funny.
520.
Brand new A340 basking in the sunshine, not yet 'christened', and it catches fire cause of a hydraulic pump and gets written off!!
Wonder if the warranty covers that one? If not, hopefully it was insured when it happened, or if they were really unlucky, the insurance policy commenced the next day.
Some things, as unfortunate as they can be, are very funny.
520.
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Just heard on ABC radio that the a/c was "half way down the runway before it touched down". The suggestion was the cabin crew did an excellent job but they could have negated the procedure if the pilot(s) touched down in the touch down zone.
In this age of politically correct rubbish and fragile ego's, how far do you let bloggs go before you say something? Perhaps a little pre-emptive but pertinent all the same.
In this age of politically correct rubbish and fragile ego's, how far do you let bloggs go before you say something? Perhaps a little pre-emptive but pertinent all the same.
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Boys and girls........What's done is done.
It makes no use or good by speculating or listening to media reports, especially when they interview passengers already suffering from shock for sensationalism.
There's always a "witness" prepared to get on camera and over dramatise actual events just to either get some cash or to get their 15 seconds of fame by seeing their rough melons on the screen.
We dont know the real facts or chain of events - that's why the Canadians have a very professional and experienced team to deal with it and investigate accordingly.
A well done to the crew though for dealing with whatever transpired by getting everyone off alive, I will say that much.
It makes no use or good by speculating or listening to media reports, especially when they interview passengers already suffering from shock for sensationalism.
There's always a "witness" prepared to get on camera and over dramatise actual events just to either get some cash or to get their 15 seconds of fame by seeing their rough melons on the screen.
We dont know the real facts or chain of events - that's why the Canadians have a very professional and experienced team to deal with it and investigate accordingly.
A well done to the crew though for dealing with whatever transpired by getting everyone off alive, I will say that much.
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No doubt about what you say TIMMEEE, but if it wason the bitumen at the appropriate point, it would not have overrun no matter what the condition of the runway
Not unlike QF 1 in Bangkok
You touch down half way along the black bit, and you risk all
You could probably say in this case though that when the pax said "we thought we were gonna die" that they really knew what they were saying. Not too sure about the 'struck by lightining" commen tthough
Not unlike QF 1 in Bangkok
You touch down half way along the black bit, and you risk all
You could probably say in this case though that when the pax said "we thought we were gonna die" that they really knew what they were saying. Not too sure about the 'struck by lightining" commen tthough
It's interesting to read the comments here about what you would and wouldn't do in similar circumstances.
Sounds easy when sitting in front of a keyboard. But I wonder what you would do out there in the real world.
Hands up those who haven't come back from a flight at one time or another and said...'why the hell did I do that ?'
Sounds easy when sitting in front of a keyboard. But I wonder what you would do out there in the real world.
Hands up those who haven't come back from a flight at one time or another and said...'why the hell did I do that ?'
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Fathom, I unerstand ientirely what you're saying, and yes I have been guilty of saying exactly what you suggest.
BUT, the point I make is that if the aircraft was on the bitumen when it should have been, it would not over run, even if the brakes failed.
I'm sure you've seen the exercise in the sim where you dont use brakes, land at mLW, use only reverse and stop in time.
I'm not saying I will never F$%^ up and do what occurred here, but I hope I don't.
I'm not bucketing the crew, merely suggesting that they didn't get it on when they should have, and then not pressing the GA button when they should have.
Get it on the ground at the right place and it will stop. If it's not there, then go around. It can't be simpler than that.
BUT, the point I make is that if the aircraft was on the bitumen when it should have been, it would not over run, even if the brakes failed.
I'm sure you've seen the exercise in the sim where you dont use brakes, land at mLW, use only reverse and stop in time.
I'm not saying I will never F$%^ up and do what occurred here, but I hope I don't.
I'm not bucketing the crew, merely suggesting that they didn't get it on when they should have, and then not pressing the GA button when they should have.
Get it on the ground at the right place and it will stop. If it's not there, then go around. It can't be simpler than that.
