Jetstar Eba
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
"they be flying jets in OZ"
Thats right ! and it's something you will never be doing
Thats right ! and it's something you will never be doing
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt to prove it.
Fat Eric, your associate must be going in on local terms - the expat salaries I have been sent are around USD9,000 per month.
Is he an Indian national, with just a basic licence? Because that is the level that the airlines in India are taking F/O's at.
Read the other forums - I particularly liked the story of one pilot who "abandoned ship" (and pax) at an outstation because he got a better offer of employment from another company.
It's pretty common knowledge that the DragonAir guys (and gals) are on better conditions than those of the CX pilots - so if what you say is correct, wrt them taking a 20% pay cut, it probably brings them down to the CX payscales.
But as you state, "This is purely hypothetical".
The younger guys in airlines in Australia should have a look at where they are allowing themselves to be led.
As I said earlier, I can see a generation of F/O's - current ones - who might possibly NEVER see a command, because the ages of the current Captains are approximately the same!
Job sharing, to keep the peace? (ie. Everyone's a Captain...."Can I buy my lhs endorsement?"....and everyone's on $2,000 a month!)
Kaptin M
Cathay Pacific (CX) & Dragonair (KA)
This is basic pay only and doesnt include allowances or housing.
Year, CX Annual, CX Monthly, KA Annual, KA Monthly, %less CX
SO
1 $386,556.00 $32,213.00 $341,952.00 $28,496.00 13.04%
2 $432,960.00 $36,080.00
3 $484,920.00 $40,410.00
4 $543,108.00 $45,259.00
JFO
1 $ 593,052.00 $ 49,421.00 $ 458,220.00 $ 38,185.00 29.43%
2 $ 664,224.00 $ 55,352.00 $ 574,476.00 $ 47,873.00 15.62%
FO
1 $ 771,180.00 $ 64,265.00 $ 683,904.00 $ 56,992.00 12.76%
2 $ 784,116.00 $ 65,343.00 $ 697,560.00 $ 58,130.00 12.41%
3 $ 797,316.00 $ 66,443.00 $ 711,516.00 $ 59,293.00 12.06%
4 $ 810,780.00 $ 67,565.00 $ 725,736.00 $ 60,478.00 11.72%
SFO
1 $ 838,248.00 $ 69,854.00 $ 740,280.00 $ 61,690.00 13.23%
2 $ 859,668.00 $ 71,639.00 $ 755,064.00 $ 62,922.00 13.85%
3 $ 881,736.00 $ 73,478.00 $ 770,184.00 $ 64,182.00 14.48%
4 $ 904,452.00 $ 75,371.00 $ 785,568.00 $ 65,464.00 15.13%
5 $ 927,864.00 $ 77,322.00 $ 801,264.00 $ 66,772.00 15.80%
6 $ 951,972.00 $ 79,331.00 $ 801,264.00 $ 66,772.00 18.81%
CAPT
1 $ 1,180,500.00 $ 98,375.00 $ 1,020,720.00 $ 85,060.00 15.65%
2 $ 1,201,620.00 $ 100,135.00 $ 1,041,156.00 $ 86,763.00 15.41%
Senior CAPT
1 $ 1,223,136.00 $ 101,928.00 $ 1,061,976.00 $ 88,498.00 15.18%
2 $ 1,245,096.00 $ 103,758.00 $ 1,083,192.00 $ 90,266.00 14.95%
3 $ 1,267,488.00 $ 105,624.00 $ 1,104,864.00 $ 92,072.00 14.72%
4 $ 1,290,336.00 $ 107,528.00 $ 1,126,932.00 $ 93,911.00 14.50%
5 $ 1,313,628.00 $ 109,469.00 $ 1,149,504.00 $ 95,792.00 14.28%
6 $ 1,337,400.00 $ 111,450.00 $ 1,172,508.00 $ 97,709.00 14.06%
7 $ 1,361,640.00 $ 113,470.00 $ 1,195,920.00 $ 99,660.00 13.86%
8 $ 1,386,360.00 $ 115,530.00 $ 1,219,848.00 $ 101,654.00 13.65%
9 $ 1,411,584.00 $ 117,632.00 $ 1,232,040.00 $ 102,670.00 14.57%
10 $ 1,437,324.00 $ 119,777.00 $ 1,244,364.00 $ 103,697.00 15.51%
11 $ 1,463,544.00 $ 121,962.00 $ 1,256,808.00 $ 104,734.00 16.45%
12 $ 1,490,316.00 $ 124,193.00 $ 1,269,360.00 $ 105,780.00 17.41%
13 $ 1,517,616.00 $ 126,468.00 $ 1,282,056.00 $ 106,838.00 18.37%
14 $ 1,545,456.00 $ 128,788.00 $ 1,282,056.00 20.55%
15 $ 1,573,872.00 $ 131,156.00 $ 1,282,056.00 22.76%
16 $ 1,602,828.00 $ 133,569.00 $ 1,282,056.00 25.02%
17 $ 1,632,384.00 $ 136,032.00 $ 1,282,056.00 27.33%
It's pretty common knowledge that the DragonAir guys (and gals) are on better conditions than those of the CX pilots
This is basic pay only and doesnt include allowances or housing.
Year, CX Annual, CX Monthly, KA Annual, KA Monthly, %less CX
SO
1 $386,556.00 $32,213.00 $341,952.00 $28,496.00 13.04%
2 $432,960.00 $36,080.00
3 $484,920.00 $40,410.00
4 $543,108.00 $45,259.00
JFO
1 $ 593,052.00 $ 49,421.00 $ 458,220.00 $ 38,185.00 29.43%
2 $ 664,224.00 $ 55,352.00 $ 574,476.00 $ 47,873.00 15.62%
FO
1 $ 771,180.00 $ 64,265.00 $ 683,904.00 $ 56,992.00 12.76%
2 $ 784,116.00 $ 65,343.00 $ 697,560.00 $ 58,130.00 12.41%
3 $ 797,316.00 $ 66,443.00 $ 711,516.00 $ 59,293.00 12.06%
4 $ 810,780.00 $ 67,565.00 $ 725,736.00 $ 60,478.00 11.72%
SFO
1 $ 838,248.00 $ 69,854.00 $ 740,280.00 $ 61,690.00 13.23%
2 $ 859,668.00 $ 71,639.00 $ 755,064.00 $ 62,922.00 13.85%
3 $ 881,736.00 $ 73,478.00 $ 770,184.00 $ 64,182.00 14.48%
4 $ 904,452.00 $ 75,371.00 $ 785,568.00 $ 65,464.00 15.13%
5 $ 927,864.00 $ 77,322.00 $ 801,264.00 $ 66,772.00 15.80%
6 $ 951,972.00 $ 79,331.00 $ 801,264.00 $ 66,772.00 18.81%
CAPT
1 $ 1,180,500.00 $ 98,375.00 $ 1,020,720.00 $ 85,060.00 15.65%
2 $ 1,201,620.00 $ 100,135.00 $ 1,041,156.00 $ 86,763.00 15.41%
Senior CAPT
1 $ 1,223,136.00 $ 101,928.00 $ 1,061,976.00 $ 88,498.00 15.18%
2 $ 1,245,096.00 $ 103,758.00 $ 1,083,192.00 $ 90,266.00 14.95%
3 $ 1,267,488.00 $ 105,624.00 $ 1,104,864.00 $ 92,072.00 14.72%
4 $ 1,290,336.00 $ 107,528.00 $ 1,126,932.00 $ 93,911.00 14.50%
5 $ 1,313,628.00 $ 109,469.00 $ 1,149,504.00 $ 95,792.00 14.28%
6 $ 1,337,400.00 $ 111,450.00 $ 1,172,508.00 $ 97,709.00 14.06%
7 $ 1,361,640.00 $ 113,470.00 $ 1,195,920.00 $ 99,660.00 13.86%
8 $ 1,386,360.00 $ 115,530.00 $ 1,219,848.00 $ 101,654.00 13.65%
9 $ 1,411,584.00 $ 117,632.00 $ 1,232,040.00 $ 102,670.00 14.57%
10 $ 1,437,324.00 $ 119,777.00 $ 1,244,364.00 $ 103,697.00 15.51%
11 $ 1,463,544.00 $ 121,962.00 $ 1,256,808.00 $ 104,734.00 16.45%
12 $ 1,490,316.00 $ 124,193.00 $ 1,269,360.00 $ 105,780.00 17.41%
13 $ 1,517,616.00 $ 126,468.00 $ 1,282,056.00 $ 106,838.00 18.37%
14 $ 1,545,456.00 $ 128,788.00 $ 1,282,056.00 20.55%
15 $ 1,573,872.00 $ 131,156.00 $ 1,282,056.00 22.76%
16 $ 1,602,828.00 $ 133,569.00 $ 1,282,056.00 25.02%
17 $ 1,632,384.00 $ 136,032.00 $ 1,282,056.00 27.33%
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Most KA guys/gals join at the 1st yr FO rate.
How long have guys/gals in CX been SOs?
Then who gets to the Capt pay earlier?
I hear over time at KA is a common occurrence and can account for up to HKD30000 per month for a Capt.
KA pay an annual travel benefit, a mate gets HKD90000, CX don’t for new hires.
KA pilots work harder and get paid for it but I am sure they would rather more time off.
The grass is always greener.
How long have guys/gals in CX been SOs?
Then who gets to the Capt pay earlier?
I hear over time at KA is a common occurrence and can account for up to HKD30000 per month for a Capt.
KA pay an annual travel benefit, a mate gets HKD90000, CX don’t for new hires.
KA pilots work harder and get paid for it but I am sure they would rather more time off.
The grass is always greener.
Kaptin M
They may have been but from what I am lead to believe KA management are fast attacking their conditions of service. I think there housing is still better (similar to ours before we allowed CX to give us something inferior last year). I think where they make it up big time is there seems to be a different way that KA declares housing to the IRD (Tax office in Hong Kong) and they get taxed at a lower tax rate than what we do at CX. I could be wrong so if someone at KA wants to correct me, go for it.
They may have been but from what I am lead to believe KA management are fast attacking their conditions of service. I think there housing is still better (similar to ours before we allowed CX to give us something inferior last year). I think where they make it up big time is there seems to be a different way that KA declares housing to the IRD (Tax office in Hong Kong) and they get taxed at a lower tax rate than what we do at CX. I could be wrong so if someone at KA wants to correct me, go for it.
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My mistake Kaptin, I left out one word at the end of my last line.
AGAIN.
Remember last time you RE applied to an Australian airline and got knocked back.Even with your vast experience.
Enjoy wearing that T-shirt in Japan, I'm sure all the locals will be impressed.
AGAIN.
Remember last time you RE applied to an Australian airline and got knocked back.Even with your vast experience.
Enjoy wearing that T-shirt in Japan, I'm sure all the locals will be impressed.
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Gnads,
I have only posted on this thread once and at no stage did I comment on pilots “undercutting each other”. Perhaps you could refine your debating skills a little.
You are ready to question others and yet you have dodged a few direct questions yourself. Feel free to comment on how you would respond to the hypothetical situation I posed and also the question regarding training credits.
Also, are you sure it is a “fact” that Airbus pilots in Australia are paid below par or is it just your opinion? But more importantly, what exactly is PAR when it comes to A320 check pilot salary in Australia. Where do you get your numbers from – how do you quantify it? What’s the magic number?
Kaptin M,
My associate is an Indian national with military fast jet time. Some carriers are offering positions to expats to fill the void as deregulation kicks in but the vast majority of airline pilots in India would happily accept the salary offered by Jetstar.
I have only posted on this thread once and at no stage did I comment on pilots “undercutting each other”. Perhaps you could refine your debating skills a little.
You are ready to question others and yet you have dodged a few direct questions yourself. Feel free to comment on how you would respond to the hypothetical situation I posed and also the question regarding training credits.
Also, are you sure it is a “fact” that Airbus pilots in Australia are paid below par or is it just your opinion? But more importantly, what exactly is PAR when it comes to A320 check pilot salary in Australia. Where do you get your numbers from – how do you quantify it? What’s the magic number?
Kaptin M,
My associate is an Indian national with military fast jet time. Some carriers are offering positions to expats to fill the void as deregulation kicks in but the vast majority of airline pilots in India would happily accept the salary offered by Jetstar.
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I would seriously doubt the good Kapitan would be interested in returning here to fly with undercutting 5cabs such as your self B J (are your initials a pre-emptor of part of your negotiation strategy?).
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FatEric,
gnads is correct re the below par OZ pay - the going rate for an A320/737 line capt is $9000+ USD (tax free !) plus per diems and education allow for the kids.
If you need proof just look at any of the operators' or contract company websites - eg KF or AD in India, Virg Nigeria, Singapore operators, Middle East (QR, A/Arabia/Jaz), Air Viet., Macau, Starfly in JPY, Taiwan, UK - EasyJ and Ryan.
If you are a TRI add 10% to that.
It's all about supply and demand - plain and simple. OZ has heaps of willing participants so employers don't have to pay more. It's no different to Oil prices or pork bellies!
UR2,
you must have included your super in your gross calculations, otherwise you would have had to be a L1 or L2 doing 100 hrs/month and the odd WDO.
gnads is correct re the below par OZ pay - the going rate for an A320/737 line capt is $9000+ USD (tax free !) plus per diems and education allow for the kids.
If you need proof just look at any of the operators' or contract company websites - eg KF or AD in India, Virg Nigeria, Singapore operators, Middle East (QR, A/Arabia/Jaz), Air Viet., Macau, Starfly in JPY, Taiwan, UK - EasyJ and Ryan.
If you are a TRI add 10% to that.
It's all about supply and demand - plain and simple. OZ has heaps of willing participants so employers don't have to pay more. It's no different to Oil prices or pork bellies!
UR2,
you must have included your super in your gross calculations, otherwise you would have had to be a L1 or L2 doing 100 hrs/month and the odd WDO.
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Well Ronnie he did just that!
He is a wannabe 5cab who was rejected when he tried to go back during the year we cannot mention.
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that he has applied to Impulse, Virgin and Jetstar and I'm sure none of them would have him either.
Oh and by the way Ronnie, you might want to look up the definition of the word in the dictionary.
He is a wannabe 5cab who was rejected when he tried to go back during the year we cannot mention.
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that he has applied to Impulse, Virgin and Jetstar and I'm sure none of them would have him either.
Oh and by the way Ronnie, you might want to look up the definition of the word in the dictionary.
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But all of those airlines - and QANdom - have 5cabs, B J.
It isnt the first time I see you have been nominated, either.
Care to fill us in as to why you have a compunction to degrade other pilots conditions by underbidding on pay rates, B J?
Blacklegging, its called - look it up in the OED (its a synonym for 5cab).
It isnt the first time I see you have been nominated, either.
Care to fill us in as to why you have a compunction to degrade other pilots conditions by underbidding on pay rates, B J?
Blacklegging, its called - look it up in the OED (its a synonym for 5cab).
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So whose pay rate has been degraded by what Jetstar pilots are paid ? and if a pilot from said company accepts those pay rates would that not be the pot calling the kettle black.
My post was to point out that KaptinM/RonnieHonker the plonker would never be affected by what rate Jetstar pilots work for and therefore should keep his Honker out of other peoples business.
There is also a big difference between a 5cab and someone who tried to 5cab but was rejected.
My post was to point out that KaptinM/RonnieHonker the plonker would never be affected by what rate Jetstar pilots work for and therefore should keep his Honker out of other peoples business.
There is also a big difference between a 5cab and someone who tried to 5cab but was rejected.
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My post was to point out that KaptinM/RonnieHonker the plonker would never be affected by what rate Jetstar pilots work for
I dont give a fat rats rissole about who you think tried to scab a decade and a half ago - you and your lot are prime examples of wannabe 5cab5 here and NOW.
KF or AD in India, Virg Nigeria, Singapore operators, Middle East (QR, A/Arabia/Jaz), Air Viet., Macau, Starfly in JPY, Taiwan, UK - EasyJ and Ryan.
Ronnie, where do I sign??!!
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Ur2 said,
"Zoolander,
HA thats something comming from you, "stick together", What, just like you did in 1990 when you went crawling back"
Yawn...
Perhaps you should do a little more research before you make accusations like that :^)
As long as you guys are prepared to be screwed the management will take advantage of it, either do something about it, shut up or resign if you don't like it.
"Zoolander,
HA thats something comming from you, "stick together", What, just like you did in 1990 when you went crawling back"
Yawn...
Perhaps you should do a little more research before you make accusations like that :^)
As long as you guys are prepared to be screwed the management will take advantage of it, either do something about it, shut up or resign if you don't like it.
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Big Jane, stop pretending to be a pilot - stay in the cabin crew forum with the other girls.
I'll push the call button if I want advice from the rear end.
Stop stirring the pot here.
I'll push the call button if I want advice from the rear end.
Stop stirring the pot here.
