Why you should pay for your endorsement!
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Ultimately its about the bottom line...the bean-counters know full well there are plenty of wannabes who would give their left nut if they could to get a right or left seat...hence in europe lo-co's, and FTO's offer you the "chance" to buy a job..as long as you pass the "tests"..and can come up with the cash..then your told..there is no guarantee of a job, but that you've got a better chance than someone who isnt typed.
Personally I dont have a problem being bonded, I understand the commercial realities of training costs and staff retention..and its how I got my first jet job. Pilots being pilots however i.e. competitive, selfish, confident, and ambitious, never stick together..so for any given situation..there will always be individuals who will throw money at the problem in the hope that it will buy them a job..sadly it seems to be that way at the moment.
If everyone turned down an offer to pay for a type-rating..then carriers would be forced to bond people...instead of taking your cash.
Personally I dont have a problem being bonded, I understand the commercial realities of training costs and staff retention..and its how I got my first jet job. Pilots being pilots however i.e. competitive, selfish, confident, and ambitious, never stick together..so for any given situation..there will always be individuals who will throw money at the problem in the hope that it will buy them a job..sadly it seems to be that way at the moment.
If everyone turned down an offer to pay for a type-rating..then carriers would be forced to bond people...instead of taking your cash.
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Just say no.
Any airline without new recruits or pilots is stuffed.
Virgin Blue, jetstar etc etc, can stick there strategic aspirations up their rectum without pilots to fly their planes.
When will the average pilot realise this? When asked to pay for a rating just tell them to stick it, things will change very fast indeed if our pilot community grasp this fact.
Any airline without new recruits or pilots is stuffed.
Virgin Blue, jetstar etc etc, can stick there strategic aspirations up their rectum without pilots to fly their planes.
When will the average pilot realise this? When asked to pay for a rating just tell them to stick it, things will change very fast indeed if our pilot community grasp this fact.
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shagtastic, forget it. It's not reality. This situation has ALWAYS existed, but right now it's becoming more widespread.
Suggesting that guys don't buy an endorsement is about as silly as kaptin m suggesting that pilots boycott Jet* when it kicked off unless they upped the $$.
Just say no,and you will just say no to a flyingjob, forever.
Won't happen in our lifetimes, or for the next billion years.
Suggesting that guys don't buy an endorsement is about as silly as kaptin m suggesting that pilots boycott Jet* when it kicked off unless they upped the $$.
Just say no,and you will just say no to a flyingjob, forever.
Won't happen in our lifetimes, or for the next billion years.
relax737
Bull****. I told Impulse to take a flying leap, twice. You would have thought they would have learnt the first time. This never hindered my career. Infact it opened my eyes to the fact there are choices out there and I exercised that choice.
Just say no,and you will just say no to a flyingjob, forever.
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relax737,
So we should all just bend over and say 'go easy please' according to your last post.
I know what I am suggesting is unlikely to happen but if the majority of us refused to pay for our ratings, either through hard cash or reduced pay sclaes over 2-3 years, then at least the situation will change.
It's only a matter of time before QF mainline ask you to pay for your 747 or A330 rating whatever.
I read earlier that QF regional is having to drop their $18K asking price for a Dash rating as they can't get new pilots.. it does work then.
In Europe the shortage of pilots is starting to bite so this factor will influence this appalling trend. Ryanair is now paying for Capatins 737 ratings and it was Ryanair that mastered profiteering off the staff.
Shags
So we should all just bend over and say 'go easy please' according to your last post.
I know what I am suggesting is unlikely to happen but if the majority of us refused to pay for our ratings, either through hard cash or reduced pay sclaes over 2-3 years, then at least the situation will change.
It's only a matter of time before QF mainline ask you to pay for your 747 or A330 rating whatever.
I read earlier that QF regional is having to drop their $18K asking price for a Dash rating as they can't get new pilots.. it does work then.
In Europe the shortage of pilots is starting to bite so this factor will influence this appalling trend. Ryanair is now paying for Capatins 737 ratings and it was Ryanair that mastered profiteering off the staff.
Shags
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shags mate....so true so true....ryan air is the exception rather than the rule,,,the fact that they are having a hard type finding jocks like you and I is not because of a training contracts,its because most dont or cant afford those types of debts.....there are thousands of foulouged pilots around,there is no shortage,most of the areas of shortage aRE positions nobody will take,...ie the pay and lifestyle SUCK!!!!!......the "new breed" of pilot coming out of these flight schools are being "conditioned" to training contracts....the fact that you can still tell someone to stick the training contract up their arse is great....free enterprise mate,.....you are well aware of the state of some of these air groups......my position now was a choice between a training contract v,s no contract....I took the no contract......maybe old school but the choice was mine.........the day we all make$$$$ the same for the same type of equipment and some form of retainer/contract.....is more reality than not......bottom line the choice is yours....like I said before pilots are the biggest sluts and whores around....the loss of loyalty and respect for ourselves has led to the positon we are in....only 13 yrs left to enjoy many Tui,s and some "corromandel Green".....kia kaha
