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Singapore Airlines has a secret agenda.
Singapore Air has a secret agenda, claims the Frightened Kangaroo
Sydney Morning Herald
By Scott Rochfort
June 10, 2005
Qantas has warned that Singapore Airlines' plans to enter the lucrative Sydney to Los Angeles route could be part of a longer-term - and covert - strategy by the Asian carrier to eventually drive the Flying Kangaroo out of business.
With Federal Cabinet expected to make a decision as early as next week on whether to grant Singapore Air access to the route from Australia to the US, Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg said: "The long-term aim is for them to be the biggest, the best - and if that means knocking people over on the way through, Qantas is not the only one they are taking aim at."
Raising concerns about the growing influence of government-owned airlines, including Emirates, Mr Gregg said: "They would like to see the back of Qantas and take this market for themselves, with the consequent loss of the 38,000 jobs in Australia that we've got."
Mr Gregg said the public needed to note the "uneven" advantages Singapore Air had over Qantas, such as its lower corporate taxes, lower labour costs and the effect government-owned foreign airlines could have on the Australian aviation sector if they were granted more access to Australian routes.
Let's not just focus on the Pacific route. Let's focus on the totality of what we're trying to deliver for Australia and for Australians versus what Singapore Airlines is trying to deliver for Singapore and Singaporeans - which is bring more people through the Singapore hub."
In response to a report commissioned by Singapore Air which claimed the lack of competition on the US air route was costing Australia $126 million a year in lost tourist revenue, Mr Gregg said: "For them to come and address one route in our network as being … of paramount importance to them when we provide so many other routes to network Australia to the rest of the world - [that] is a question that needs to be considered.
"Why is that so? It's so because they believe they can produce a higher return. It's called cherry picking."
Claiming largely government-owned carriers such as Singapore Air did not have the pressure to return high levels of dividends to shareholders, Mr Gregg said: "They drop their return with the sole aim of driving commercial airlines out of business."
The publicly listed Singapore Air generates a dividend yield of about 3.95 per cent, compared with Qantas's 5.1 per cent.
Singapore Air spokesman Stephen Foreshaw said Qantas's comments were "sounding increasingly desperate".
Sydney Morning Herald
By Scott Rochfort
June 10, 2005
Qantas has warned that Singapore Airlines' plans to enter the lucrative Sydney to Los Angeles route could be part of a longer-term - and covert - strategy by the Asian carrier to eventually drive the Flying Kangaroo out of business.
With Federal Cabinet expected to make a decision as early as next week on whether to grant Singapore Air access to the route from Australia to the US, Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg said: "The long-term aim is for them to be the biggest, the best - and if that means knocking people over on the way through, Qantas is not the only one they are taking aim at."
Raising concerns about the growing influence of government-owned airlines, including Emirates, Mr Gregg said: "They would like to see the back of Qantas and take this market for themselves, with the consequent loss of the 38,000 jobs in Australia that we've got."
Mr Gregg said the public needed to note the "uneven" advantages Singapore Air had over Qantas, such as its lower corporate taxes, lower labour costs and the effect government-owned foreign airlines could have on the Australian aviation sector if they were granted more access to Australian routes.
Let's not just focus on the Pacific route. Let's focus on the totality of what we're trying to deliver for Australia and for Australians versus what Singapore Airlines is trying to deliver for Singapore and Singaporeans - which is bring more people through the Singapore hub."
In response to a report commissioned by Singapore Air which claimed the lack of competition on the US air route was costing Australia $126 million a year in lost tourist revenue, Mr Gregg said: "For them to come and address one route in our network as being … of paramount importance to them when we provide so many other routes to network Australia to the rest of the world - [that] is a question that needs to be considered.
"Why is that so? It's so because they believe they can produce a higher return. It's called cherry picking."
Claiming largely government-owned carriers such as Singapore Air did not have the pressure to return high levels of dividends to shareholders, Mr Gregg said: "They drop their return with the sole aim of driving commercial airlines out of business."
The publicly listed Singapore Air generates a dividend yield of about 3.95 per cent, compared with Qantas's 5.1 per cent.
Singapore Air spokesman Stephen Foreshaw said Qantas's comments were "sounding increasingly desperate".
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Peter Gregg may well be onto something. The only problem with his and the rest of the cronies is that the very weapon they posess to numb the blow are the employees...The same asset being pushed to despair by a management so devoid of creative ideas it makes most of us cry..Cutting costs, skybeds and accountants won't save QF and now the markets have noticed maybe brokers will remember to ask them what their labour relations are like!
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Mr Gregg said: "They drop their return with the sole aim of driving commercial airlines out of business."
That's hardly startling news, is it Mr Gregg?
If it is (for you), how did you ever get into the position (Qantas chief financial officer ) you're in?
Yes, GD likes to have the monopoly on getting rid of Australians' jobs from QANTAS, doesn't he!
That's hardly startling news, is it Mr Gregg?
If it is (for you), how did you ever get into the position (Qantas chief financial officer ) you're in?
Mr Gregg said: "They would like to see the back of Qantas and take this market for themselves, with the consequent loss of the 38,000 jobs in Australia that we've got."
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Singapore Airlines secret agenda???????
It's no secret. It's business, and they are open about it.
Where was talk of Aussies losing jobs when Ansett was on the edge?
Remember Dikko telling Anderson that QF was in more danger of going under? They both agreed and then went to ANZ to see about a merger or what ever while Ansett went over the egde.
All smoke and mirrors.
Wasn't a problem for QF when Jetstar went to Singapore and then soon to be everywhere else in Asia. Bitching about not getting routes into other countries and now bitching that someone else wants to take AVAILABLE routes out of Aust.
Short answer for QF. Buy more planes, take the routes and fly 'em at a profit or a loss , or, let someone else do it. It is called competetion.
You can't say," don't let anyone else into OUR market" claiming that you are looking after Aussies, while you are trying to get into other peoples markets . What about their "flag" carriers and it's employees?
By the way I think that QF actually treats Aussies like Sh1t when it comes to service. Couldn't hope to compare with SIA or Emirates.
This more competetive tax regime is cr.p. A level playing field is service and price. Then let the passengers vote with their feet.
If QF get more competetion, they will have to lift their game or they will lose. That means "fat arse." attendants who care about the passenger and not screwing people on the price of a ticket.
I reckon that Dixon ought to try for Canberra next. Better sprooker ( is that how it's spelt?) that Costello and anyone in Labour.
It's no secret. It's business, and they are open about it.
Where was talk of Aussies losing jobs when Ansett was on the edge?
Remember Dikko telling Anderson that QF was in more danger of going under? They both agreed and then went to ANZ to see about a merger or what ever while Ansett went over the egde.
All smoke and mirrors.
Wasn't a problem for QF when Jetstar went to Singapore and then soon to be everywhere else in Asia. Bitching about not getting routes into other countries and now bitching that someone else wants to take AVAILABLE routes out of Aust.
Short answer for QF. Buy more planes, take the routes and fly 'em at a profit or a loss , or, let someone else do it. It is called competetion.
You can't say," don't let anyone else into OUR market" claiming that you are looking after Aussies, while you are trying to get into other peoples markets . What about their "flag" carriers and it's employees?
By the way I think that QF actually treats Aussies like Sh1t when it comes to service. Couldn't hope to compare with SIA or Emirates.
This more competetive tax regime is cr.p. A level playing field is service and price. Then let the passengers vote with their feet.
If QF get more competetion, they will have to lift their game or they will lose. That means "fat arse." attendants who care about the passenger and not screwing people on the price of a ticket.
I reckon that Dixon ought to try for Canberra next. Better sprooker ( is that how it's spelt?) that Costello and anyone in Labour.
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Flying Ninja;
Many a true word has been spoken in jest, and these days nothing surprises me. I shall mark your words and let us see what unfolds in the future.
We all of us do live in interesting times indeed!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
I reckon that Dixon ought to try for Canberra next. Better spruiker than Costello or anyone in Labor
We all of us do live in interesting times indeed!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
You've mis-quoted our resident fruit cake, Pinky, when you correctly spelt the word "spru(i)ker" - from the German, sprechen..to speak.
Be that as it may, QF is, after all's said and done, an Aussie icon.
Ansett was a TWU stronghold, known best for its association with Hawke's mates, (the dead) Abeles, and union-busting Rupe.
Letting Ansett go down the plughole was a fast, convenient way for Little Johnny to incur serious damage on the TWU's (ACTU's) stronghold in aviation.
As much as QF are now the last bastion, I believe that the history that the name QANTAS embodies, means too much to have an all out affront.
It's happening. But the Government, Dixon, and Oldmeadow, know that it's important to basically keep the name "intact" to avoid any political backlash.
Dixon's not interested in parliament - at $6 million per year, wtf would you waste your time trying to court the very people whose jobs you've outsourced!
...and "No" Fruitcake Ninja, you will not be going to NG's based out of Kobe. (BTW, did you and your s_mate, Wizofoz, attend the same spelling classes? )
Be that as it may, QF is, after all's said and done, an Aussie icon.
Ansett was a TWU stronghold, known best for its association with Hawke's mates, (the dead) Abeles, and union-busting Rupe.
Letting Ansett go down the plughole was a fast, convenient way for Little Johnny to incur serious damage on the TWU's (ACTU's) stronghold in aviation.
As much as QF are now the last bastion, I believe that the history that the name QANTAS embodies, means too much to have an all out affront.
It's happening. But the Government, Dixon, and Oldmeadow, know that it's important to basically keep the name "intact" to avoid any political backlash.
Dixon's not interested in parliament - at $6 million per year, wtf would you waste your time trying to court the very people whose jobs you've outsourced!
...and "No" Fruitcake Ninja, you will not be going to NG's based out of Kobe. (BTW, did you and your s_mate, Wizofoz, attend the same spelling classes? )
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QF is no longer an Australian Icon. One flight with it will demonstrate that.
It is a public company that is unaccountable to anyone except its shareholders. Even CASA does what QF tells them because QF has more technical ability in this area.
It enjoys an effective monopoly of capacity that in my opinion deserves to be broken because its flights are choked to keep its load factors up It strangles every other state except Sydney as it is run by a Sydney-centric Board and management. It has deep and multitudinous links into both sides of Government in NSW as its current and past Board composition obviously indicates
To put it another way guys, QF should aspire to being internationally competitive, and I think your own posting demonstrate that it is not. It relies on its stranglehold on capacity to generate its profits, not its reputation for service and punctuality.
To put it another way, every other airline in the world has been struggling, and what does QF do? Makes a billion dollar profit!
Is this due to superior managment and a highly motivated staff, delivering an exquisitely crafted level of service that makes Australians salivate at the mere thought of travelling Qantas???
Nope. We will go to any lengths to AVOID QF!
To put it yet another way, Yes QF is an Australian Icon. So is Telstra and the four main banks. All of you are monopolies and deserve a bit more competition.
Furthermore, the longer you are insulated from competition, the harder and more painful the inevitcable adjustment when the Australian public works out just what a the cost of your cosy protection actually is.
It is a public company that is unaccountable to anyone except its shareholders. Even CASA does what QF tells them because QF has more technical ability in this area.
It enjoys an effective monopoly of capacity that in my opinion deserves to be broken because its flights are choked to keep its load factors up It strangles every other state except Sydney as it is run by a Sydney-centric Board and management. It has deep and multitudinous links into both sides of Government in NSW as its current and past Board composition obviously indicates
To put it another way guys, QF should aspire to being internationally competitive, and I think your own posting demonstrate that it is not. It relies on its stranglehold on capacity to generate its profits, not its reputation for service and punctuality.
To put it another way, every other airline in the world has been struggling, and what does QF do? Makes a billion dollar profit!
Is this due to superior managment and a highly motivated staff, delivering an exquisitely crafted level of service that makes Australians salivate at the mere thought of travelling Qantas???
Nope. We will go to any lengths to AVOID QF!
To put it yet another way, Yes QF is an Australian Icon. So is Telstra and the four main banks. All of you are monopolies and deserve a bit more competition.
Furthermore, the longer you are insulated from competition, the harder and more painful the inevitcable adjustment when the Australian public works out just what a the cost of your cosy protection actually is.
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NINJA,
you really seem to have a hatred for QF pilots and Cabin Crew,
Ditched by one of them...were you!...
such negativity in your posts, such loathing, freaky!!!!!
you really seem to have a hatred for QF pilots and Cabin Crew,
Ditched by one of them...were you!...
such negativity in your posts, such loathing, freaky!!!!!
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Nothing secret I agree, but must say there is a price to be paid for a truly "free market". That is job losses and decay of our national transport industry...
SIA pays 2nd world wages to all but its tech crew & mgt (just ask a bag chucker or F/A how much they get at SQ) and enjoys operating in a country where there are few employee rights to speak of. Obviously this makes it easy for them to exploit rich pickings in higher cost economies who try to behave with some kind of ethical code (albeit enforced).
Canberra has to decide how far its support of globalisation is to go. Ultimately one could see the demise of many std setting western carriers as 2nd & 3rd world operators set up bases wherever the juicey markets are, unhindered by local costs and legislation. Competition is one thing - exploitation is another.
How would you feel if in 10 years time there was no QF or NZ and Air China ruled the roost in OZ? Remember the OZ clothing industry?
SIA pays 2nd world wages to all but its tech crew & mgt (just ask a bag chucker or F/A how much they get at SQ) and enjoys operating in a country where there are few employee rights to speak of. Obviously this makes it easy for them to exploit rich pickings in higher cost economies who try to behave with some kind of ethical code (albeit enforced).
Canberra has to decide how far its support of globalisation is to go. Ultimately one could see the demise of many std setting western carriers as 2nd & 3rd world operators set up bases wherever the juicey markets are, unhindered by local costs and legislation. Competition is one thing - exploitation is another.
How would you feel if in 10 years time there was no QF or NZ and Air China ruled the roost in OZ? Remember the OZ clothing industry?
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Spot on Ninja.
I remember QANTAS'S secret agenda when Ansett was in strife. Remember Jackson and Anderson's little trip to Wellingtun to tell the Kiwis that SQ was not to be permitted to inject capital into AN via a greater equity stake in Air New Zealand? I sure do!
Aside from seizing the moment to eliminate QF main competitor (remember, AN was planning to operate trans pac.), it was a great opportunity to engaging some micro-economic reform, as Kap'nM says. Problem now is:
1) QF is approaching a total monopoly in Oz.
2) Fares are still at similar levels for compareable tickets as when Ansett was flying (ie SYD-MEL with QF or DJ is higher than when AN operated, accounting for inflation).
3) Of the 830 pilots at AN, 520 are still employed as pilots and ~380 of these are now living overseas.
The reality of this is that the Liberals aviation policy is a failure:It has failed the test of true competion, it has failed the staff at all companies in Australia and it has failed the Lib's own political philosophy of non-interferance with business. what are they? A bunch of socialist Keynesians???
I remember QANTAS'S secret agenda when Ansett was in strife. Remember Jackson and Anderson's little trip to Wellingtun to tell the Kiwis that SQ was not to be permitted to inject capital into AN via a greater equity stake in Air New Zealand? I sure do!
Aside from seizing the moment to eliminate QF main competitor (remember, AN was planning to operate trans pac.), it was a great opportunity to engaging some micro-economic reform, as Kap'nM says. Problem now is:
1) QF is approaching a total monopoly in Oz.
2) Fares are still at similar levels for compareable tickets as when Ansett was flying (ie SYD-MEL with QF or DJ is higher than when AN operated, accounting for inflation).
3) Of the 830 pilots at AN, 520 are still employed as pilots and ~380 of these are now living overseas.
The reality of this is that the Liberals aviation policy is a failure:It has failed the test of true competion, it has failed the staff at all companies in Australia and it has failed the Lib's own political philosophy of non-interferance with business. what are they? A bunch of socialist Keynesians???
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Hey Kraptin,
You really are moderated theses days( or do you prefer the word " Controlled" as you like to use in other posts). Moderated to the point of being weak as p1ss. "resident cry baby "
I am so cut up......
You been eating too strong a dose of fugu. Numbed the lips and brain, has it?
Thank you for the lesson in english expression. Not only do you know the spelling but, I am sure that you know the definition as you obviously also know the origins of the word. WOW!
Have you learned anything about honesty, integrity, duty of care in the past 16 years. Certainly didn't know those words then when you "SC-BBED" and went slinking behind peoples backs to ( now let me see ??)..... Hawke, ( the dead) Abels and the ...what was it about Rupe that you said earlier??????
My suggestion for a alternative career for GD was a comment on his tactics in this situation........ playing a politician.
I think the majority of readers and those not filled with rage and vendetta ( sorry moderation and modesty... must get that right ,but it is so unlike you ......dear boy) would have gleened that Krap.
On the topic of moderation and modesty, didn't show much of that in front of the TWU boys in BNE just before the strike. I think I remember you said" take your leave and get ready for a long one boys 'cause we are going to really F-CK 'em". Pretty good "spruiker" you are too. Not to mention a SNAKE. No that's not right. It's unfair to the snakes!!!!
I like the way you take comments from one post and re arrange them to suit.
My jibe at you re: being sim buddies was designed to
show how wrong this ' buy a job' idea is . People will be looking at finance and getting buddies so as to go as a package and spend less . They have already accepted that this will be the way things will be forever more. They are just trying to make the best of it. Thanks to who? ... a group of staunch '89ers. True heros to go down in history as the ones who F-CKED themselves and others who follow as well as "their sons and the sons of their sons"( another great AFAP war cry).
It was refering to a Sydney based Virgin international operation across the pacific. It's called the topic KRAP, not your stinking little Kobe pondlife operation where you want to be the resident "89er loudmouth" .
Talking about "CONTROLLING SC-BS" Kraptin, me thinks it is you that has "CONTROLLED " himself into a little pond along with the other parasites. If the shoe fits Krap.....WEAR IT !!!!!!
You will ever know how close to you I really am........he,he,he,he.
I have gone off the topic.
That's OK ,KRAP will cut and paste it somewhere else to suit himself.
.. I like this face, it's all you , CR.
OCCR
Hatred for QF cabin crew?
If QF is an Australian icon ( and it is ) they are doing it a great disservice. It is all about professionalism and service when it comes to reputation and ultimately making money.
Hicks from the country will "flyyyy wiff the great Ozzie airline... maaaate" until the next trip when they see what that can get from Asian and some European airlines . Not to mention the price.
I know the first priority is safety but, after the first and last half hour passengers become secure in the fact that they will get there. There are 14 hours left to fill in. Yeah, it probably is a bit like child minding but, early child hood teachers do a longer course that F/As.
Try and get some sevice either domestically or internationally.
Been sitting with my "luchbox left overs" in my hand as I get passed by half a dozen times my F/As domestically.
Not to mention having to wave both hands over my head once in order to get her attention so she would 1/2 fill my cup with coffee.
Is it possible to ask for something like wine or ,a glass of water with my wine? No because they are talking about their private life as they "Fembot" their way on the meal service.
Been completely ignored ( Krap will be happy to hear this) during a bar service, in an almost empty plane ,on two dashes through the cabin, only to be told...... "bar service is over ,wait for the meal "when i walked up to the galley.
Think you will see this on SQ, Thai, Malaysian, JAL ,Emirates......need I go on?
It\'s about attitude and professionalism. It\'s a big world out there and I fear that Australians are looking ugly at the moment. In the aviation business QF cabin crew aren\'t helping. Work harder.. NO... work better and smarter. Your there for 14 or 15 hours, make those hours count for you and the passengers. You never know what will come of it and time will fly. Yes, you will be tired after it but, try talking tired with a ditch digger to know what \'tired\' really is. Do the minimum because you are disatisfied or you are on a \'go slow union thing\', bitch and wine..... time drags on ..... and you will be tired at the end but still dissatisfied.
This is a generalisation. I know that there are those that are serious about service. Just not enough to survive against an army of cabin crew from Asia.
Now the power hungry man VS subservient female arguements start.
Again SQs agenda is no secret, they base everything they do on it.
You really are moderated theses days( or do you prefer the word " Controlled" as you like to use in other posts). Moderated to the point of being weak as p1ss. "resident cry baby "
I am so cut up......
You been eating too strong a dose of fugu. Numbed the lips and brain, has it?
Thank you for the lesson in english expression. Not only do you know the spelling but, I am sure that you know the definition as you obviously also know the origins of the word. WOW!
Have you learned anything about honesty, integrity, duty of care in the past 16 years. Certainly didn't know those words then when you "SC-BBED" and went slinking behind peoples backs to ( now let me see ??)..... Hawke, ( the dead) Abels and the ...what was it about Rupe that you said earlier??????
My suggestion for a alternative career for GD was a comment on his tactics in this situation........ playing a politician.
I think the majority of readers and those not filled with rage and vendetta ( sorry moderation and modesty... must get that right ,but it is so unlike you ......dear boy) would have gleened that Krap.
On the topic of moderation and modesty, didn't show much of that in front of the TWU boys in BNE just before the strike. I think I remember you said" take your leave and get ready for a long one boys 'cause we are going to really F-CK 'em". Pretty good "spruiker" you are too. Not to mention a SNAKE. No that's not right. It's unfair to the snakes!!!!
I like the way you take comments from one post and re arrange them to suit.
My jibe at you re: being sim buddies was designed to
show how wrong this ' buy a job' idea is . People will be looking at finance and getting buddies so as to go as a package and spend less . They have already accepted that this will be the way things will be forever more. They are just trying to make the best of it. Thanks to who? ... a group of staunch '89ers. True heros to go down in history as the ones who F-CKED themselves and others who follow as well as "their sons and the sons of their sons"( another great AFAP war cry).
It was refering to a Sydney based Virgin international operation across the pacific. It's called the topic KRAP, not your stinking little Kobe pondlife operation where you want to be the resident "89er loudmouth" .
Talking about "CONTROLLING SC-BS" Kraptin, me thinks it is you that has "CONTROLLED " himself into a little pond along with the other parasites. If the shoe fits Krap.....WEAR IT !!!!!!
You will ever know how close to you I really am........he,he,he,he.
I have gone off the topic.
That's OK ,KRAP will cut and paste it somewhere else to suit himself.
.. I like this face, it's all you , CR.OCCR
Hatred for QF cabin crew?
If QF is an Australian icon ( and it is ) they are doing it a great disservice. It is all about professionalism and service when it comes to reputation and ultimately making money.
Hicks from the country will "flyyyy wiff the great Ozzie airline... maaaate" until the next trip when they see what that can get from Asian and some European airlines . Not to mention the price.
I know the first priority is safety but, after the first and last half hour passengers become secure in the fact that they will get there. There are 14 hours left to fill in. Yeah, it probably is a bit like child minding but, early child hood teachers do a longer course that F/As.
Try and get some sevice either domestically or internationally.
Been sitting with my "luchbox left overs" in my hand as I get passed by half a dozen times my F/As domestically.
Not to mention having to wave both hands over my head once in order to get her attention so she would 1/2 fill my cup with coffee.
Is it possible to ask for something like wine or ,a glass of water with my wine? No because they are talking about their private life as they "Fembot" their way on the meal service.
Been completely ignored ( Krap will be happy to hear this) during a bar service, in an almost empty plane ,on two dashes through the cabin, only to be told...... "bar service is over ,wait for the meal "when i walked up to the galley.
Think you will see this on SQ, Thai, Malaysian, JAL ,Emirates......need I go on?
It\'s about attitude and professionalism. It\'s a big world out there and I fear that Australians are looking ugly at the moment. In the aviation business QF cabin crew aren\'t helping. Work harder.. NO... work better and smarter. Your there for 14 or 15 hours, make those hours count for you and the passengers. You never know what will come of it and time will fly. Yes, you will be tired after it but, try talking tired with a ditch digger to know what \'tired\' really is. Do the minimum because you are disatisfied or you are on a \'go slow union thing\', bitch and wine..... time drags on ..... and you will be tired at the end but still dissatisfied.
This is a generalisation. I know that there are those that are serious about service. Just not enough to survive against an army of cabin crew from Asia.
Now the power hungry man VS subservient female arguements start.
Again SQs agenda is no secret, they base everything they do on it.
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Well I have seen some bitter and twisted opinions posted on these forums, but I would have to say you are the saddest individual on here, what a shocking attitude...
I know your type, Old, leachy, dribbling...waiting to "get the hosties eye", yet only to be ignored because you probably made a revolting remark, or maybe you just look creepy, ...... yes that is it creepy......ooooh you make my skin crawl.. that is why when you go down the back to get another drink, they all ignore you....because you didnt go there to get a drink did you.......rejected again,,,, story of your life.....
sad very very sad...............
ohh I forgot, it seems you like the Asian F/A, because their culture doesnt permit them to tell you to F@@@ off, but have a look at their eyes next time, its telling you the same thing
I know your type, Old, leachy, dribbling...waiting to "get the hosties eye", yet only to be ignored because you probably made a revolting remark, or maybe you just look creepy, ...... yes that is it creepy......ooooh you make my skin crawl.. that is why when you go down the back to get another drink, they all ignore you....because you didnt go there to get a drink did you.......rejected again,,,, story of your life.....
sad very very sad...............
ohh I forgot, it seems you like the Asian F/A, because their culture doesnt permit them to tell you to F@@@ off, but have a look at their eyes next time, its telling you the same thing
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Good on you Sunfish, well said.
Basically Qantas stinks because they are a lazy outfit that tries to avoid competition through the political process.
And they have had another win, temporarily I might add.
They are also hypocrites, devise QF mark 11 to chuck it at Virgin domestically but the moment they sniff any competition internationally, they go into 'why should we cop that ' mode and go squealing off to the mob in Canberra.
Bloody shame on you Qantas, you've lost the plot entirely.
P.S. Sunfish, one correction, you say they are only responsible to their shareholders - there are others,
1. the regulators (governments here and o/s)
2. more importantly, the consumers and their customers who may continue to desert them in droves if they keep up the anti-competitive behaviour.
Basically Qantas stinks because they are a lazy outfit that tries to avoid competition through the political process.
And they have had another win, temporarily I might add.
They are also hypocrites, devise QF mark 11 to chuck it at Virgin domestically but the moment they sniff any competition internationally, they go into 'why should we cop that ' mode and go squealing off to the mob in Canberra.
Bloody shame on you Qantas, you've lost the plot entirely.
P.S. Sunfish, one correction, you say they are only responsible to their shareholders - there are others,
1. the regulators (governments here and o/s)
2. more importantly, the consumers and their customers who may continue to desert them in droves if they keep up the anti-competitive behaviour.
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Kaptin M;
With all due respect I disagree as a reasonable precedent has already been set. Otherwise why would a genuine 'silvertail' such as Malcolm Turnbull stand for political office?
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
Dixon's not interested in Parliament.......
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
hadagutful
Name me one outfit that doesn’t use this tactic to protect its own turf. Why do you think that this has been the biggest stumbling block to world aviation since the end of WW11? Fifth freedom rights, and this is what we are talking about here have been political hot potatoes for decades and has never been resolved. Every country is looking after its own interest. Don’t be fooled for one moment by the smoke screen arguments about competition and benefits to the traveling public. It is all BS. All carriers have played this card at some stage. If you want to look at how one sided aviation negotiations can be, look at how the Americans play business. It makes the Australian negotiations look like they are being conducted by pre-schoolers. You have only got to go to Japan and look at the number of US aircraft there. You could swear you had just land at a major us airport. The American idea of open skies is total fifth freedom rights through your country for absolutely nothing in return. They protect their airlines to the tenth degree from foreign carriers with the use of such things as donations disguised as 911 grants and chapter 11 bankruptcy protections. People seem to have dismissed UA 25% stake across the Pacific as not relevant. Well let me tell you that only fools would think that. In their current state they are a predator after cash flow. Since their fall into Chapter 11 a couple of years ago they have been redeploying capacity onto the Pacific in order to generate cash. Australia is no exception and has seen the cost of the average airfare to the US fall substantially over the last few years. People, price competition on the Pacific is alive and well. Don’t be fooled for one minute by SQ and the Singapore government’s argument about competition. Their motives do not reflect their mouth music and I would be deeply suspicious.
Pinky the pilot
With all due respect Malcolm Turnbull still owns a very profitable legal business and still derives an income from it. I suspect Geoff Dixon would be substantially out of pocket if he went into politics unless he substantial income from other sources.
Basically Qantas stinks because they are a lazy outfit that tries to avoid competition through the political process.
Pinky the pilot
With all due respect I disagree as a reasonable precedent has already been set. Otherwise why would a genuine 'silvertail' such as Malcolm Turnbull stand for political office?
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I saw you coming a mile away. You were looking for a fight.So , let's go.
Hey, Your not misses Kraptin are you ?
FYI (not that I give a sh-T) the drink event was an attempt to get the one and only drink and it happened to be a male that I approached. Knew you'd bite on that one as only an F/A will.
As for the rest of your comments..........
I think that if you were able to look down past the flab, you would see that there is sooooo much loose skin over the cellulite that it is DANCING AROUND and not infact, crawling .
Get a grip on life, the world and QF doesn't owe you a living, you do.
Work is supposed to be just that not an inconvenient interuption to social activities as it appears to be with most Australian F/As.
Got a party to go to .....take another sickie, New Year and Christmas......you bet, lunch with the other fat tarts...why not?
Stop sitting on your ar-e eating chocolate bars and groaning when the call button is pushed.
Tell you what, the alarm bells should ring when you see the male F/As taking more pride in how they look than the females .
I saw you coming a mile away. You were looking for a fight.So , let's go.
Hey, Your not misses Kraptin are you ?
FYI (not that I give a sh-T) the drink event was an attempt to get the one and only drink and it happened to be a male that I approached. Knew you'd bite on that one as only an F/A will.
As for the rest of your comments..........
I think that if you were able to look down past the flab, you would see that there is sooooo much loose skin over the cellulite that it is DANCING AROUND and not infact, crawling .
Get a grip on life, the world and QF doesn't owe you a living, you do.
Work is supposed to be just that not an inconvenient interuption to social activities as it appears to be with most Australian F/As.
Got a party to go to .....take another sickie, New Year and Christmas......you bet, lunch with the other fat tarts...why not?
Stop sitting on your ar-e eating chocolate bars and groaning when the call button is pushed.
Tell you what, the alarm bells should ring when you see the male F/As taking more pride in how they look than the females .
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You are one venomous, little man Flying Ninja (or perhaps that should be Flying Fruitcake, as someone said before).
Does your Doctor know that you've altered your dosage?
Does your Doctor know that you've altered your dosage?