The end for Australian?
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AO was set up to fly without S/O's as another cost saving, hence the base in CNS. The rumour of classics going to AO is rubbish given that a F/E and S/O (for longer sectors) would be required, doubling the tech crew compliment. Besides it would be a training nightmare as I doubt many current classic crews would go to CNS.
Chimbu,
Airbus aren't going to tell BA anything about the 380, they haven't ordered it.
Ohforsure,
A332's were ordered against the wishes of pilots/airbus with cheaper lightweight floors and they would need to be completely gutted to be refitted for long range flying with new galleys/seats at a cost of 20 million each! The result of this wonderful cost saving was 2 new members for Johnny Howard's surf team!
Chimbu,
Airbus aren't going to tell BA anything about the 380, they haven't ordered it.
Ohforsure,
A332's were ordered against the wishes of pilots/airbus with cheaper lightweight floors and they would need to be completely gutted to be refitted for long range flying with new galleys/seats at a cost of 20 million each! The result of this wonderful cost saving was 2 new members for Johnny Howard's surf team!
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QF Commercial planned to use the first seven A330's (all originally ordered as -200's with No's 5,6 & 7 orders changed to -300's) on domestic routes. A "know-it-all" manager in QF Purchasing subsequently ordered the aircraft without seeking input from Engineering or Flight Operations which is why the longest range A330 is now forced to be used on domestic routes. I believe that the manager concerned no longer works for QF. There was no political maneurvring associated with this f#ckup. Of course (as is always the case) the buck must stop with the CEO.
As mentioned in my previous post the B743's would be Sydney based so there would be no problems in getting Tech crew to move to Cairns. The sector legth and seating configuration results in low seat kilometer costs that more than offset the additional Tech crew required.
OhForSure
I totally agree. These are very long range versions of the A330 with highest MTOW available and they are being used on domestic sectors. The major competitor on the trans Tasman routes is trying to win higher market share with increased frequency which QF has to match. This is why there are a lot of B737's on the route and no A332's. Also, the sectors across to Perth are longer than the trans Tasman sectors so this is the best routes available for them at present. The seat kilometer costs for the A332's on the Perth routes are significantly lower than DJ's B737's used on the same routes which gives a significant commercial advantage.
QF Commercial planned to use the first seven A330's (all originally ordered as -200's with No's 5,6 & 7 orders changed to -300's) on domestic routes. A "know-it-all" manager in QF Purchasing subsequently ordered the aircraft without seeking input from Engineering or Flight Operations which is why the longest range A330 is now forced to be used on domestic routes. I believe that the manager concerned no longer works for QF. There was no political maneurvring associated with this f#ckup. Of course (as is always the case) the buck must stop with the CEO.
As mentioned in my previous post the B743's would be Sydney based so there would be no problems in getting Tech crew to move to Cairns. The sector legth and seating configuration results in low seat kilometer costs that more than offset the additional Tech crew required.
OhForSure
Surely using such long range a/c for SYD-MEL flights is a piss poor operation?
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GB,
Quite correct, had heard some pilot reps were involved in meetings concerning the purchases and the prospect of a normal strong floor was discarded by a "know it all". I belive the comment went something like "You just worry about flying planes...." Oddly enough the pilot reps had suggested that a stronger floor would keep the company's options open wrt operations. Now of course the 300 is payload limited into Beijing and needs a tech stop in DRW when it takes over the BOM run!
Quite correct, had heard some pilot reps were involved in meetings concerning the purchases and the prospect of a normal strong floor was discarded by a "know it all". I belive the comment went something like "You just worry about flying planes...." Oddly enough the pilot reps had suggested that a stronger floor would keep the company's options open wrt operations. Now of course the 300 is payload limited into Beijing and needs a tech stop in DRW when it takes over the BOM run!
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GB:
Mate, I see where you're coming from... but why not pull some 767s off the Tasman routes and replace with 332's? The 76's can be turned far quicker on CityFlyer legs and it would appear international pax (albeit only to NZ) might appreciate the "new" product??? Would this not improve overall a/c utilisation?
Mate, I see where you're coming from... but why not pull some 767s off the Tasman routes and replace with 332's? The 76's can be turned far quicker on CityFlyer legs and it would appear international pax (albeit only to NZ) might appreciate the "new" product??? Would this not improve overall a/c utilisation?
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Chimbu and GB,
Thanks, I stand corrected.
What I had 'recollected' had come from some comments on Pprune, backed up by a pilot at an airline which had just ordered A380 and some of the A330/340 family, so I thought it plausible.
Thanks, I stand corrected.
What I had 'recollected' had come from some comments on Pprune, backed up by a pilot at an airline which had just ordered A380 and some of the A330/340 family, so I thought it plausible.
