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Safety bureau awaits Jetstar incident report
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Safety bureau awaits Jetstar incident report
The Air Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) is investigating an incident on a Jetstar flight between Launceston and Melbourne last night.
Just after 11:00pm AEDT, crew and passengers heard a loud noise from a right-hand side engine as the plane was travelling over Bass Strait.
A Jetstar spokesman says there was no danger and the flight landed safely at Avalon Airport.
Julian Walsh, from ATSB, says the matter is being investigated.
"We've been in touch with the operator since that time," he said.
"We're now waiting for some further information from their engineers in terms of what they've initially found.
"Once we know that then we'll be in a much better position to know the level of response that we'll make to that."
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Safety bureau awaits Jetstar incident report
The Air Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) is investigating an incident on a Jetstar flight between Launceston and Melbourne last night.
Just after 11:00pm AEDT, crew and passengers heard a loud noise from a right-hand side engine as the plane was travelling over Bass Strait.
A Jetstar spokesman says there was no danger and the flight landed safely at Avalon Airport.
Julian Walsh, from ATSB, says the matter is being investigated.
"We've been in touch with the operator since that time," he said.
"We're now waiting for some further information from their engineers in terms of what they've initially found.
"Once we know that then we'll be in a much better position to know the level of response that we'll make to that."
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Where are the quotes from terrified passengers?
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We heard this loud thud and then saw sparks. I was very terrified, the aircraft shook, I thought, "Oh no, this is it, my times up". I am not very happy.
Oh yeah, I want a ceadit shell for my next flight!
How's that, can anyone beat my terrifying acting/writing skills. Will I make a beaut reporter?
Oh yeah, I want a ceadit shell for my next flight!
How's that, can anyone beat my terrifying acting/writing skills. Will I make a beaut reporter?
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Sun "Herald Sun"
Explosion rocks Jetstar flight
By CHRIS TINKLER
Herald Sun
20mar05
A MELBOURNE-bound Jetstar airliner plunged 1.2km over Bass Strait after one of its two engines blew up.
The Boeing 717 was about 50km north of Tasmania on a flight from Launceston when passengers and crew heard a massive explosion about 11.30pm on Friday.
"There was a loud bang and the whole cabin shuddered," a passenger said.
In a matter of seconds, the plane dropped from 7300m to 6100m, a Jetstar source said.
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Explosion rocks Jetstar flight
By CHRIS TINKLER
Herald Sun
20mar05
A MELBOURNE-bound Jetstar airliner plunged 1.2km over Bass Strait after one of its two engines blew up.
The Boeing 717 was about 50km north of Tasmania on a flight from Launceston when passengers and crew heard a massive explosion about 11.30pm on Friday.
"There was a loud bang and the whole cabin shuddered," a passenger said.
In a matter of seconds, the plane dropped from 7300m to 6100m, a Jetstar source said.
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My favourites from the story...
(Wonder what a mayday call is on this journos "level of distress" scale?)
Now of course you would call Melbourne tower when you are...
And then this gem...
Who? From which airline? Mr Tinkler if you are going to make an accusation like that, you sure as hell want to name your source.
And one more for the road...
Cause of course these two events are linked, given that these systems are both joined by the hydraulic thingamywhatsit!!
Cheers, HH.
PS: Thanks for the link Wirraway, does this mean your making a comeback with a revised format?
The international distress call "Pan Pan Pan" was radioed to Melbourne's tower, with the pilot declaring a "level one" emergency.
Now of course you would call Melbourne tower when you are...
The Boeing 717 was about 50km north of Tasmania
An airline source said there were growing concerns about the safety of Jetstar's 14 Boeing 717 aircraft.
And one more for the road...
Jetstar confirmed the same plane was grounded at Coolangatta earlier on Friday because of an undercarriage problem.
Cheers, HH.
PS: Thanks for the link Wirraway, does this mean your making a comeback with a revised format?
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I hope you took up the option to have your say to the editor, if they continue to publish this tripe and we say nothing then we are guilty of complacency.
I had my say.
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I hope you took up the option to have your say to the editor, if they continue to publish this tripe and we say nothing then we are guilty of complacency.
I had my say.
Here is the Sunday Tasmanian's tarted up version of the Sun article. It includes the obligatory "stricken" "plunged" "massive explosion" "distress" and "molten metal" catch phrases. This must be the most dramatic in flight shutdown in history.
Midair panic over Strait: Engine explodes on Jetstar flight
A JETSTAR airliner plunged 1200m over Bass Strait after one of its two engines blew up -- sparking a midair panic among 102 passengers.
The Boeing 717 was about 50km north of Tasmania on a Launceston-Melbourne flight when passengers and crew heard a massive explosion from the right-hand side of the plane about 11.30pm on Friday.
"There was a loud bang and the whole cabin shuddered," a passenger said.
"It was like going through the worst turbulence you could imagine."
In a matter of seconds the plane dropped from 7300m to 6100m, according to a Jetstar source.
The pilot shut down the fuel supply to the stricken engine and steadied the craft.
The international distress call "Pan-Pan-Pan" was radioed to Melbourne's tower, with the pilot declaring a "level one" emergency to air traffic controllers.
With insufficient emergency services at Launceston, the pilot decided to continue to Melbourne where the airport was put on full alert.
The plane flew to Melbourne on one engine, landed safely and was met by a 60-strong contingent of fire, ambulance and technical teams.
Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway confirmed yesterday one of the plane's two engines had malfunctioned and "lost power", and the distress call had been made.
The damaged engine was being replaced yesterday and the plane would be back in the sky today, he said.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau and engine manufacturer Rolls Royce were contacted and an investigation had begun into exactly what happened, he said.
"We are taking it very seriously," Mr Westaway said.
One industry source said the explosion, sparked by a total failure of the Rolls Royce engine, should be a major cause for concern.
"There was molten metal strewn throughout the engine," he said. "These are not big aircraft. The explosion could have penetrated the cabin."
An airline source said there were growing concerns about the safety of Jetstar's 14 Boeing 717s, saying they had been plagued by problems.
And while emotional passengers praised the captain and crew for their handling of the emergency, Jetstar came in for criticism over its lack of support.
Neither the passengers nor the crew were offered counselling after landing, an airline source said.
Earlier in the day, Jetstar confirmed the same plane was grounded at Coolangatta and its flight to Melbourne was delayed because of an under-carriage problem.
But Mr Westaway rejected suggestions that any of its planes were not safe.
"We fly Qantas group safety standards to the tee. Jetstar doesn't operate an aircraft unless it is 100 per cent operable," he said.
A spokesman for the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said it would do a preliminary investigation over the next two days before beginning a more comprehensive inquiry.
Jetstar was forced to replace another of its Boeing 717 engines in August last year after a flight to Hobart returned to Melbourne with engine trouble.
Midair panic over Strait: Engine explodes on Jetstar flight
A JETSTAR airliner plunged 1200m over Bass Strait after one of its two engines blew up -- sparking a midair panic among 102 passengers.
The Boeing 717 was about 50km north of Tasmania on a Launceston-Melbourne flight when passengers and crew heard a massive explosion from the right-hand side of the plane about 11.30pm on Friday.
"There was a loud bang and the whole cabin shuddered," a passenger said.
"It was like going through the worst turbulence you could imagine."
In a matter of seconds the plane dropped from 7300m to 6100m, according to a Jetstar source.
The pilot shut down the fuel supply to the stricken engine and steadied the craft.
The international distress call "Pan-Pan-Pan" was radioed to Melbourne's tower, with the pilot declaring a "level one" emergency to air traffic controllers.
With insufficient emergency services at Launceston, the pilot decided to continue to Melbourne where the airport was put on full alert.
The plane flew to Melbourne on one engine, landed safely and was met by a 60-strong contingent of fire, ambulance and technical teams.
Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway confirmed yesterday one of the plane's two engines had malfunctioned and "lost power", and the distress call had been made.
The damaged engine was being replaced yesterday and the plane would be back in the sky today, he said.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau and engine manufacturer Rolls Royce were contacted and an investigation had begun into exactly what happened, he said.
"We are taking it very seriously," Mr Westaway said.
One industry source said the explosion, sparked by a total failure of the Rolls Royce engine, should be a major cause for concern.
"There was molten metal strewn throughout the engine," he said. "These are not big aircraft. The explosion could have penetrated the cabin."
An airline source said there were growing concerns about the safety of Jetstar's 14 Boeing 717s, saying they had been plagued by problems.
And while emotional passengers praised the captain and crew for their handling of the emergency, Jetstar came in for criticism over its lack of support.
Neither the passengers nor the crew were offered counselling after landing, an airline source said.
Earlier in the day, Jetstar confirmed the same plane was grounded at Coolangatta and its flight to Melbourne was delayed because of an under-carriage problem.
But Mr Westaway rejected suggestions that any of its planes were not safe.
"We fly Qantas group safety standards to the tee. Jetstar doesn't operate an aircraft unless it is 100 per cent operable," he said.
A spokesman for the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said it would do a preliminary investigation over the next two days before beginning a more comprehensive inquiry.
Jetstar was forced to replace another of its Boeing 717 engines in August last year after a flight to Hobart returned to Melbourne with engine trouble.
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Hang on a minute...
Assuming the distance from Launy is relatively accurate, WTF didn't Captain Nostar return to Launy (inadequate fire fighting is pure shinola!), or divert to Devonport or Bernie, rather than pressing on to "somewhere mainland" (Tulla or Avalon). Launy to Melbourne is around 230 miles...
So, he/she has shut down a catastrophically failed engine (assuming it was catastrophic), and he/she does not know what other systems may be at risk or potentially damaged, yet he/she decides, probably with heavy handed "suggestions" from Ops, to continue for a further 200 odd nm's rather than diverting...
I wasn't there, and we don't know all the facts, and it worked out OK, but the decision made to continue is a good one???
Assuming the distance from Launy is relatively accurate, WTF didn't Captain Nostar return to Launy (inadequate fire fighting is pure shinola!), or divert to Devonport or Bernie, rather than pressing on to "somewhere mainland" (Tulla or Avalon). Launy to Melbourne is around 230 miles...
So, he/she has shut down a catastrophically failed engine (assuming it was catastrophic), and he/she does not know what other systems may be at risk or potentially damaged, yet he/she decides, probably with heavy handed "suggestions" from Ops, to continue for a further 200 odd nm's rather than diverting...
I wasn't there, and we don't know all the facts, and it worked out OK, but the decision made to continue is a good one???
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MKV111. No you werent there! No problems with continuing to the "Mainland" The distance as you stated between Lt and Ml is around 230nm. 10 mins out of Launy would put you north of DPO. The requirement once airborne is to be with in 380 nm of a suitable aerodrome. Obviously this requirement is well satisfied.
I dare say the decision was made with due regard to the services availble for the return. At that time of night LT is an MBZ. So on one, I think it would be very prudent to continue to a major airport with ample availble services. I dare say your ridiculous summations that ops had a say in events couldnt be further from the truth. And yes you do know what else is damaged.
Technology is good like that.
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I dare say the decision was made with due regard to the services availble for the return. At that time of night LT is an MBZ. So on one, I think it would be very prudent to continue to a major airport with ample availble services. I dare say your ridiculous summations that ops had a say in events couldnt be further from the truth. And yes you do know what else is damaged.
Technology is good like that.
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as if ...
... no-one in their right mind in that position would DARE question a PIC decision to return to a closer strip IF the situation required just that.
AND
I don't think an Ops Controller would be responsible for making possibly such a life or death decision in those circumstances.
BUT
Like you said,
so, like the rest of us, you could speculate, but how dare you question the decision of the PIC.
probably with heavy handed "suggestions" from Ops, to continue
... no-one in their right mind in that position would DARE question a PIC decision to return to a closer strip IF the situation required just that.
AND
I don't think an Ops Controller would be responsible for making possibly such a life or death decision in those circumstances.
BUT
Like you said,
I wasn't there, and we don't know all the facts
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That's right, Mark Ate, you weren't there. Why don't you butt out and wait for the official report? When it comes to aviation the uninformed garbage published in any Press, other than perhaps 'Flight International or other specialist paper, is never taken seriously by anyone other than the great unwashed public and ignorant pollies. Example: "plunging" 1200 metres of altitude in a matter of seconds - now THAT would be one helluva bungy jump, but in civilian aircraft it just ain't likely unless it's already well and truly in little bits.
MKIII, (you lost V points for such a poor post) 
The article is clearly another classic piece of journalistic dramatisation. Accordingly, how could you possibly make any assumptions on such a trashy story?
With regard to involvement by an operations department...i'd think a more credible scenario would have been a quick conference between the skipper & f/o and a radio call to the ground agent to ask them to TELL the ops department where they were going after the decision was made!
The article is clearly another classic piece of journalistic dramatisation. Accordingly, how could you possibly make any assumptions on such a trashy story?
With regard to involvement by an operations department...i'd think a more credible scenario would have been a quick conference between the skipper & f/o and a radio call to the ground agent to ask them to TELL the ops department where they were going after the decision was made!
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My sincere apologies for the post, but like I said, BASED ON WHAT THE JOURNO IDIOTS HAD WRITTEN.Sorry DM, but NO, you do NOT know what else may well be damaged by a catastrophic failure, including the all-important sensors attached to instrumentation. There are far to many accounts of incidents and accidents that have proven the falibility of instrumentation. But again, they made it "home" so all of it is academic.
Again, apologies for sinking into the gutterdom of speculation and questioning the PIC's decision.
As Pilots, we all know this happens, but in the mind of the punter's, all this does no good whatsoever for Jetstar's reputation. Keep the tickets low though, and their memories will be very quickly erased...
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MK8. If the engine has just been lost and subsequently shut down, with the appropriate QRH checklists completed, the indications you will get are all associated with the initial damage and subsequent shut down.
The "Sensors attatched to instrumentation" that are critical for flight, ie, pitot static sensors are actually on the front of the aircraft. If they were damaged by an in flight engine failure Id reckon that all would be lost anyway. Quite frankly I dont know why Im replying to your posts. Obviously you have very little working knowledge of Jet airline operations.
As for the airlines reputation, Id think you will find that engine failures will always happen when you do a bit of flying.
On the contrary, by all accounts the job was done very well and is a credit to the training system and the gentlemen involved.
As pointed out to you in many previous posts, to question the PICs decision without knowing the facts, is quite pathetic.
Unfortunately your poor attempt at a wind up kind of backfired didnt it?
Checking for engine failure related damage to CRITICAL SENSORS.
DM
The "Sensors attatched to instrumentation" that are critical for flight, ie, pitot static sensors are actually on the front of the aircraft. If they were damaged by an in flight engine failure Id reckon that all would be lost anyway. Quite frankly I dont know why Im replying to your posts. Obviously you have very little working knowledge of Jet airline operations.
As for the airlines reputation, Id think you will find that engine failures will always happen when you do a bit of flying.
On the contrary, by all accounts the job was done very well and is a credit to the training system and the gentlemen involved.
As pointed out to you in many previous posts, to question the PICs decision without knowing the facts, is quite pathetic.
Unfortunately your poor attempt at a wind up kind of backfired didnt it?
Checking for engine failure related damage to CRITICAL SENSORS.
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while you're apologising, how about to the Ops person(s) you just slammed ...
Watchdog .. exactly right .. either a phone call from the ground handler OR the good old company freq. if they have a hand free to flick the switch!
apologies for sinking into the gutterdom of speculation
Watchdog .. exactly right .. either a phone call from the ground handler OR the good old company freq. if they have a hand free to flick the switch!
I obviously wasn't there but I would imagine the LAST group who had a say at final destination would be ops control. The desicion would have been made pretty well after..."C/L complete.CRM,CRM,CRM,CRM....better lets tell company whats going on......"
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Ahh the Lazy Journalist strikes again !!!
Terrified Passengers in Dread Flight
Tasmanian passengers told of their horrific terror aboard a Melbourne bound Jetstar flight which was required to return to Melbourne yesterday due to engine failure.
Some passengers were terrified that the 68 passengers were told few details of the catastrophe.
They said the plane 'Dropped like a stone and leaned over to the left' before turning around.
As a precaution, fire trucks were on standby when the Boeing 717 landed.
Passenger Bruce Goatman last night was still recovering from the ordeal.
'It's a good thing I was wearing the brown underwear', the passenger said.
Terrified Passengers in Dread Flight
Tasmanian passengers told of their horrific terror aboard a Melbourne bound Jetstar flight which was required to return to Melbourne yesterday due to engine failure.
Some passengers were terrified that the 68 passengers were told few details of the catastrophe.
They said the plane 'Dropped like a stone and leaned over to the left' before turning around.
As a precaution, fire trucks were on standby when the Boeing 717 landed.
Passenger Bruce Goatman last night was still recovering from the ordeal.
'It's a good thing I was wearing the brown underwear', the passenger said.
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Pprune readers will recall the recent case of the BA 747 that lost an engine after lift off from somewhere in USA and following "consultations with Ops" the captain decided to press on to UK several thousand miles across the Atlantic on the three remaining engines.
A small gremlin then gummed up a fuel pump en-route, leading to a serious fuel diversion. There is little doubt that BA was saved a significant amount of dollars by the captain's decision to press on. If there was the civil equivalent of an Air Force Cross for saving the company money, there is no doubt the captain would have been awarded the gong.
Pprune posts indicate that the US FAA have more than a passing interest in the captain's decision. Was it good airmanship? Who knows, because we are not privy yet to the full story. But some pilots may raise their eyebrows just a little.
Now we have a 717 that does an engine during climb out from Launceston at night. A nasty shock for all on board, no doubt. There is an ILS and VOR back at Launceston so no problem with a single engine approach. Fire trucks presumably can drive in from the city and be on guard for the landing? Maybe - I don't know what the arrangements were - if any. CASA can't be too concerned with the fire engine coverage otherwise presumably they would have insisted on firecover for jet RPT years ago. That saved money too.
Presumably the captain of the 717 "conferred with Jetstar Ops" before electing to continue on the remaining engine across the Bass Strait at night to where "facilities" were available for landing at Tullamarine or wherever Jetstar travel. The fact that the departure point was close behind them must have been carefully considered and discarded in favour of going on.
Like the BA case, the captain saved the company a fistful of dollars and the passengers wouldn't have had a clue if they were on a two engine or one engine aircraft anyway. Everyone was happy - the pax and the company.
Was it good airmanship? I guess that the captain would say it certainly was, while an armchair pilot on Pprune might raise an eyebrow - just like the FAA did with the BA 747 incident.
There is no rubbishing meant here. As some erudite reader commented previously we don't know the facts just yet. I am sure however that we will read concise and intelligent discussion between Pprune readers on the pros and cons of each incident. As one would expect from professional pilots of course...
A small gremlin then gummed up a fuel pump en-route, leading to a serious fuel diversion. There is little doubt that BA was saved a significant amount of dollars by the captain's decision to press on. If there was the civil equivalent of an Air Force Cross for saving the company money, there is no doubt the captain would have been awarded the gong.
Pprune posts indicate that the US FAA have more than a passing interest in the captain's decision. Was it good airmanship? Who knows, because we are not privy yet to the full story. But some pilots may raise their eyebrows just a little.
Now we have a 717 that does an engine during climb out from Launceston at night. A nasty shock for all on board, no doubt. There is an ILS and VOR back at Launceston so no problem with a single engine approach. Fire trucks presumably can drive in from the city and be on guard for the landing? Maybe - I don't know what the arrangements were - if any. CASA can't be too concerned with the fire engine coverage otherwise presumably they would have insisted on firecover for jet RPT years ago. That saved money too.
Presumably the captain of the 717 "conferred with Jetstar Ops" before electing to continue on the remaining engine across the Bass Strait at night to where "facilities" were available for landing at Tullamarine or wherever Jetstar travel. The fact that the departure point was close behind them must have been carefully considered and discarded in favour of going on.
Like the BA case, the captain saved the company a fistful of dollars and the passengers wouldn't have had a clue if they were on a two engine or one engine aircraft anyway. Everyone was happy - the pax and the company.
Was it good airmanship? I guess that the captain would say it certainly was, while an armchair pilot on Pprune might raise an eyebrow - just like the FAA did with the BA 747 incident.
There is no rubbishing meant here. As some erudite reader commented previously we don't know the facts just yet. I am sure however that we will read concise and intelligent discussion between Pprune readers on the pros and cons of each incident. As one would expect from professional pilots of course...