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Seems the rest of the world can get these Laura Ashley Twins to work. Would be very interested to hear what happened, thats if something really did happen...it is a rumour network after all. Would have thought that Headlines about "Croc downing Aircraft" would be out by now if it was really exciting.
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Irrespective of aircraft type, if a crash, incident or accident can be attributed to cost cutting, what accountability does Geoff Dixon have?
We have seen JAL management resign due safety not being a priority, yet, we never see CEOs or other seniors get sacked due mismanagement. We never see them take pay drops due wasting companies money either.
We have seen JAL management resign due safety not being a priority, yet, we never see CEOs or other seniors get sacked due mismanagement. We never see them take pay drops due wasting companies money either.
8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend causing a large number of aircraft substitutions. Huge amount of disruption for B767 crews.
I believe the rumour that the A330 is a dead fleet in QF service and that they are not really looking at the A340/A350 combination. The figures (& reliability) of the B777 leaves the Airbus product dead in the water.
I believe the rumour that the A330 is a dead fleet in QF service and that they are not really looking at the A340/A350 combination. The figures (& reliability) of the B777 leaves the Airbus product dead in the water.
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Apologies for the slight digression but does anyone know whether the QF board meeting scheduled for 9-11th??? is underway and if the close of bid periods remains the 12th May. Cheers
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With airlines such as Air Canada favouring Boeing for its long haul fleet with a substantial order, as well as SQ favouring the B777 over the A340 I think QF should sit up and take notice.
Sure, QF got the A330's for a substantial discount but have been let down by its own bean-counters and whoever the clowns were that selected the A330 entertainment system.
Yes, EK and CX as well as SQ are highly complimentary on the B777.
I believe also that CX did a study to ditch all of their B747-400's (turn them into freighters) in favour of B777's.
The cost saving was staggering apparently.
I reackon the A330 will go to either JetStar or Australian eventually.
Looks like the QF fleet mix will be A380/B744/B777 long haul and the B777 medium-short haul along with the B737-800 (short haul only).
Sure, QF got the A330's for a substantial discount but have been let down by its own bean-counters and whoever the clowns were that selected the A330 entertainment system.
Yes, EK and CX as well as SQ are highly complimentary on the B777.
I believe also that CX did a study to ditch all of their B747-400's (turn them into freighters) in favour of B777's.
The cost saving was staggering apparently.
I reackon the A330 will go to either JetStar or Australian eventually.
Looks like the QF fleet mix will be A380/B744/B777 long haul and the B777 medium-short haul along with the B737-800 (short haul only).
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"8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend causing a large number of aircraft substitutions."
Going Boeing: Is this REALLY true??? Seems almost impossible. Not that I don't believe you... but you have to understand my bewilderment!
What were the reasons for the U/S's??? I've heard the planes are ****, but this (if accurate) must really piss QF off.
Going Boeing: Is this REALLY true??? Seems almost impossible. Not that I don't believe you... but you have to understand my bewilderment!
What were the reasons for the U/S's??? I've heard the planes are ****, but this (if accurate) must really piss QF off.
Jeez, what a bunch of little girls, all this nonsense being written about how good the 777 is and how bad the Airbus is.
If you ask any pilots who have flown both 777's and A330's (and there aren't all that many of them) you will find the standard answer is they are both good and bad in various areas.
In the end they are usually ambivalent about which is better. Both aircraft get from A-B safely and the employers pay their wages, that's all most guys are really concerned about.
Why as a professional adult would you even give yourself the title Going Boeing? Is that not a little embarrassing for you?
Do you really believe this comment "8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend .
Also Longreach"Geoff Dixon has just signed new deal for purchase of 35 777s and also 787s (quantity unknown) which will replace the 767s domestically". based on what"My spies in Engineering tell me ". So let me get this straight, Dixon is telling engineers (who he has been battling industrially) info he somehow hasn't mentioned to other board members..oops, and then these experts pass their intimate knowledge on to you.
Anyhow, back to the vital issue at hand:
Fords are better than Holdens because..........................
If you ask any pilots who have flown both 777's and A330's (and there aren't all that many of them) you will find the standard answer is they are both good and bad in various areas.
In the end they are usually ambivalent about which is better. Both aircraft get from A-B safely and the employers pay their wages, that's all most guys are really concerned about.
Why as a professional adult would you even give yourself the title Going Boeing? Is that not a little embarrassing for you?
Do you really believe this comment "8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend .
Also Longreach"Geoff Dixon has just signed new deal for purchase of 35 777s and also 787s (quantity unknown) which will replace the 767s domestically". based on what"My spies in Engineering tell me ". So let me get this straight, Dixon is telling engineers (who he has been battling industrially) info he somehow hasn't mentioned to other board members..oops, and then these experts pass their intimate knowledge on to you.
Anyhow, back to the vital issue at hand:
Fords are better than Holdens because..........................
"8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend causing a large number of aircraft substitutions."
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From what I have seen the A333 is better on the asian routes than the 763 that it replaces. It can carry a larger payload and seems to have less restrictions. It also seems to burn not much more fuel than the 763 while carrying more. Whether it is better than a B777 I don't know, as these are just my observations from the area I work in.
Another rumour I have heard is that QF is trying to push the A332's on to the RAAF for their tankers, as it is too expensive to upgrade them to the international config.
Overall I think that the A333 is good at what it does (maybe not too reliable) but the A332 well that's a different story.
Cheers Rammel
Another rumour I have heard is that QF is trying to push the A332's on to the RAAF for their tankers, as it is too expensive to upgrade them to the international config.
Overall I think that the A333 is good at what it does (maybe not too reliable) but the A332 well that's a different story.
Cheers Rammel
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What are you talking about? We operate 330’s into Narita every day, even the short runway. I will concede though you guys may have a problem departing off the shorter runway with the fuel you would be carrying for Aus. Having never flown the 76, I would guess though it would have the same problem off the short runway with a fuel load for Aus as well?
What are you talking about? We operate 330’s into Narita every day, even the short runway. I will concede though you guys may have a problem departing off the shorter runway with the fuel you would be carrying for Aus. Having never flown the 76, I would guess though it would have the same problem off the short runway with a fuel load for Aus as well?
Keg,
My understanding is that the RAAF is not getting A330's, it is true to say they are getting new aircraft that are based on the A330 airframe, but they will not be certified as A330s, they will have military type certificate data sheets due to the role they play (i.e. tankering large volumes of fuel and delivering them to aircraft in-flight).
Since they are not certified as A330s, the crew flying these "state" aircraft will not need to be A330 type rated, this means no automatic A330 type rating on the CASA licence, however with the number of ex-RAAF in CASA, anything is possible.
The 737's on the other hand are civilian airframes, and the crew have the ability to transfer the mil 737 rating automatically to the CASA licence.
Going Boeing,
Your statement is correct, but only partially. The A330 airframe and engines, crews were all serviceable.
The 8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend referres to the IFE.
The cheap low quality Rockwell Collins IFE it a total nightmare, why QF has gone with cheap for IFE is beyond me. Passengers only remember the service they get from the crew, and the IFE.
Is it little surprise that the wonderful Rockwell Collins IFE is based on MS Windows, now that has never frozon on anyone before.
Why did QF cut costs in this area and not go with the same systems SQ and EK are using is beyond me, and everyone who flying with them loves their IFE, because it works.
Heard of A330s with the Rockwell Collins IFE having over 50% of the seats IFE not working, cabin crew having to reset the whole IFE system in-flight. The Rockwell Collins IFE is a QF customisation, nothing to do with Airbus (SQ and EK don’t have problems on their Airbus aircraft with IFE).
Run of the mill business or cattle class SLF don’t care if they fly Boeing or Airbus, as long as they are fed, watered, kept entertained, and get there, they are happy.
404 Titan,
When the 747-400 was first introduced it had snags galore, many times the only way to fix it was to totally unpower the whole aircraft and start from scratch, problems get identified and then addressed, airframe gets better.
The A340-600 will settle down, it will get better.
My understanding is that the RAAF is not getting A330's, it is true to say they are getting new aircraft that are based on the A330 airframe, but they will not be certified as A330s, they will have military type certificate data sheets due to the role they play (i.e. tankering large volumes of fuel and delivering them to aircraft in-flight).
Since they are not certified as A330s, the crew flying these "state" aircraft will not need to be A330 type rated, this means no automatic A330 type rating on the CASA licence, however with the number of ex-RAAF in CASA, anything is possible.
The 737's on the other hand are civilian airframes, and the crew have the ability to transfer the mil 737 rating automatically to the CASA licence.
Going Boeing,
Your statement is correct, but only partially. The A330 airframe and engines, crews were all serviceable.
The 8 out of 11 A330's were unserviceable last weekend referres to the IFE.
The cheap low quality Rockwell Collins IFE it a total nightmare, why QF has gone with cheap for IFE is beyond me. Passengers only remember the service they get from the crew, and the IFE.
Is it little surprise that the wonderful Rockwell Collins IFE is based on MS Windows, now that has never frozon on anyone before.
Why did QF cut costs in this area and not go with the same systems SQ and EK are using is beyond me, and everyone who flying with them loves their IFE, because it works.
Heard of A330s with the Rockwell Collins IFE having over 50% of the seats IFE not working, cabin crew having to reset the whole IFE system in-flight. The Rockwell Collins IFE is a QF customisation, nothing to do with Airbus (SQ and EK don’t have problems on their Airbus aircraft with IFE).
Run of the mill business or cattle class SLF don’t care if they fly Boeing or Airbus, as long as they are fed, watered, kept entertained, and get there, they are happy.
404 Titan,
When the 747-400 was first introduced it had snags galore, many times the only way to fix it was to totally unpower the whole aircraft and start from scratch, problems get identified and then addressed, airframe gets better.
The A340-600 will settle down, it will get better.
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So, if the A330 was "replaced" by another aircraft - say the 777 - arguably to do 'long-haul' flying, where would the good guys on the bus go? surly not to the 777??
sorry, just stewing over recent decisions
sorry, just stewing over recent decisions
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The Rockwell Collins IFE is an Airbus approved option which is why Airbus is involved with trying to resolve the problem. The RC IFE system works quite well on the B744 but on the A330 it has to interface through an onboard computer for which Airbus won't provide the programming source codes to RC. The ongoing IFE problems centre on the inability of the IFE computer to talk to the Airbus cabin management computer and I believe that the fix probably won't happen in the near future.
My sources say that the unservicabilities last weekend were more than IFE system problems.
The Rockwell Collins IFE is an Airbus approved option which is why Airbus is involved with trying to resolve the problem. The RC IFE system works quite well on the B744 but on the A330 it has to interface through an onboard computer for which Airbus won't provide the programming source codes to RC. The ongoing IFE problems centre on the inability of the IFE computer to talk to the Airbus cabin management computer and I believe that the fix probably won't happen in the near future.
My sources say that the unservicabilities last weekend were more than IFE system problems.
