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OhForSure,
SQ have a extensive number of pilots with previous Airbus FBW experience, at the moment as you suggested they do operate the A345, you seem to forget the A319/320 pilot pool also.
Lots of pilots have started with SQ in Silkair on the A319/320 and progressed to 744/777. Some are going back from 777 to A319/320, there is very little pay differance in SQ between a captain on any fleet.
Dont know if the A345 will get removed, they have said no to Boeing for the 777-200ER, they want to dump all their 777-200's and replace them with 300's
SQ have a extensive number of pilots with previous Airbus FBW experience, at the moment as you suggested they do operate the A345, you seem to forget the A319/320 pilot pool also.
Lots of pilots have started with SQ in Silkair on the A319/320 and progressed to 744/777. Some are going back from 777 to A319/320, there is very little pay differance in SQ between a captain on any fleet.
Dont know if the A345 will get removed, they have said no to Boeing for the 777-200ER, they want to dump all their 777-200's and replace them with 300's
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swh: My appollogies, you are correct... I had forgotten about the SilkAir situation. Although I can say that I've read and heard in a few places that SQ management have already told 345 pilots to expect a switch to 772LRs... don't remember where I read that now, but maybe somebody from SQ can verify???
OhForSure,
My sources are telling me all 777-200's will go, and they dont want the 777-200ER as its another aircraft they would need to gear up for.
The mainline pax fleet is going 773, A345, A380 thats it. The 744 due to moved to cargo by 2008.
Forgot to mention before the piot pool they had inhouse for the old A340s, think they had 12 of them at one stage.
My sources are telling me all 777-200's will go, and they dont want the 777-200ER as its another aircraft they would need to gear up for.
The mainline pax fleet is going 773, A345, A380 thats it. The 744 due to moved to cargo by 2008.
Forgot to mention before the piot pool they had inhouse for the old A340s, think they had 12 of them at one stage.
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A380 latest rumour is Direct entry crews and a new company called Qantas ULH (ultra long Haul) created .
Ample supply from SQ and EK as time goes , Dixon cannot compete with the competition , the unions have him nailed.
Its the only way to bust them legally .
Also some 744 going for freight conversion .....
Ample supply from SQ and EK as time goes , Dixon cannot compete with the competition , the unions have him nailed.
Its the only way to bust them legally .
Also some 744 going for freight conversion .....
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Having to fly another Airbus before being trusted with an A380 sounds like a wank extraordinaire.
What happened when the Concorde came along? Did you need time in an SR71 or similar? Maybe a bit of space shuttle time would impress the bejeezus out of them.
They all fly the same. It ain't rocket science boys and girls.
What happened when the Concorde came along? Did you need time in an SR71 or similar? Maybe a bit of space shuttle time would impress the bejeezus out of them.
They all fly the same. It ain't rocket science boys and girls.
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Aaaaactually...
Aren't there a couple of A380 customers who don't have any other Airbus types currently in their fleets and none on order?
In particular, I'm thinking of FedEx and UPS... sure, both have only ordered freighter A380s but surely they (Airbus) would still want to make sure that none were mis-handled...
And also, can Airbus be sure that the leasing company-ordered aircraft won't go to non-Airbus operators?
Aren't there a couple of A380 customers who don't have any other Airbus types currently in their fleets and none on order?
In particular, I'm thinking of FedEx and UPS... sure, both have only ordered freighter A380s but surely they (Airbus) would still want to make sure that none were mis-handled...
And also, can Airbus be sure that the leasing company-ordered aircraft won't go to non-Airbus operators?
Taildragger67,
Fedex currently operates 103 airbus aircraft, with 10 A380 orders.
UPS has ordered 90 Airbus aircraft, 42 of them are in service. No A380 orders from UPS are on the books.
ILFC have ordered 10 A380 aircraft. ILFC have ordered 586 airbus aircraft, of which 349 have been delivered.
Other A380 orders :
king oath :
I agree an aeroplane is an aeroplane, however with the vast non standard way 744 crews operate in QF, its no wonder they are delayed a lot. It was only after the introduction of the Airbus aircraft into the system that QF actually had a perscribed engine failure after takeoff procedure. With Airbus, everything you need to know, flows, checklists, SOP, is all in the FCOM. Crew from one Airbus can go to another and expect the same standard stuff. Boring as hell, but very predictable.
End result, crew training and turn arounds on airbus aircraft tend to be quicker as the PF/PNF roles are very defined. No need to mind read what this captain would like to see today.
Fedex currently operates 103 airbus aircraft, with 10 A380 orders.
UPS has ordered 90 Airbus aircraft, 42 of them are in service. No A380 orders from UPS are on the books.
ILFC have ordered 10 A380 aircraft. ILFC have ordered 586 airbus aircraft, of which 349 have been delivered.
Other A380 orders :
- Air France 10xA380, 168 airbus aircraft in service
- Emirates 43xA380 , 112 total airbuses orders, 43 in service
- Etihad Airways, 4xA380, 24 total airbuses orders, 6 in service
- Korean Air Lines, 5xA380, 56 total airbuses orders, 29 in service
- Lufthansa, 15xA380, 203 total airbus orders, 138 in service
- Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad (MAS), 6xA380, 14 total airbus orders, 16 in service
- QANTAS Airways, 12xA380, 26 total airbus orders, 21 in service
- Qatar Airways (inc. Amiri Flight), 2xA380, 50 total airbus orders, 45 in service
- Singapore Airlines, 10xA380, 79 total airbus orders, 19 in service
- Thai Airways International, 6xA380, 63 total airbus orders, 33 in service
- Virgin Atlantic Airways, 6xA380, 33 total airbus orders, 18 in service
king oath :
I agree an aeroplane is an aeroplane, however with the vast non standard way 744 crews operate in QF, its no wonder they are delayed a lot. It was only after the introduction of the Airbus aircraft into the system that QF actually had a perscribed engine failure after takeoff procedure. With Airbus, everything you need to know, flows, checklists, SOP, is all in the FCOM. Crew from one Airbus can go to another and expect the same standard stuff. Boring as hell, but very predictable.
End result, crew training and turn arounds on airbus aircraft tend to be quicker as the PF/PNF roles are very defined. No need to mind read what this captain would like to see today.
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agree an aeroplane is an aeroplane, however with the vast non standard way 744 crews operate in QF, its no wonder they are delayed a lot. It was only after the introduction of the Airbus aircraft into the system that QF actually had a perscribed engine failure after takeoff procedure.
Borg,
My apologies for hitting a raw nerve...so tell me how exactly will two different 744 skippers want an FMC programmed for departure? and what will that skipper want to see ?
As for the engine failure procedure, flight ops put it to the vote of the pilot body three options of what should be included in the FAM in terms of the engine failure after takeoff drill, and gave a lead in period for the drill, you know the one where the PF and PNF will confirm things these days.
What bit of this is codswallop ?
My apologies for hitting a raw nerve...so tell me how exactly will two different 744 skippers want an FMC programmed for departure? and what will that skipper want to see ?
As for the engine failure procedure, flight ops put it to the vote of the pilot body three options of what should be included in the FAM in terms of the engine failure after takeoff drill, and gave a lead in period for the drill, you know the one where the PF and PNF will confirm things these days.
What bit of this is codswallop ?
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In fact the vote put to the pilot body was the standard altimetry call at 1000 feet to go to assigned altitude, not the engine failure procedure.
The standard engine malfuntion procedure was imposed to have a fleet wide standard.
The standard engine malfuntion procedure was imposed to have a fleet wide standard.
MrWooby,
Quite right, it was the altimitery calls that were put to the pilot body as to what they would like to do. Now I remember some people joked that people they had flash backs to the three point altimiters to call every 10,000 ft. Thanks for correcting me
And I agree that the standard engine failure procedure was imposed fairly recently as a fleet wide standard.
Quite right, it was the altimitery calls that were put to the pilot body as to what they would like to do. Now I remember some people joked that people they had flash backs to the three point altimiters to call every 10,000 ft. Thanks for correcting me
And I agree that the standard engine failure procedure was imposed fairly recently as a fleet wide standard.
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swh,
no requirement for flashbacks to the days calling every 10,000', they'll still alive and well! and your comment regarding delays on the 744 the result of "non-standard" procedures...well, off to the books, start perhaps at FMC preflight or Altimetry perhaps....
elmo
no requirement for flashbacks to the days calling every 10,000', they'll still alive and well! and your comment regarding delays on the 744 the result of "non-standard" procedures...well, off to the books, start perhaps at FMC preflight or Altimetry perhaps....
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swh,
Thanks for the stats.
One small point, the following link shows that UPS have ordered 10 A380Fs:
http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/abo...1_10_2005.html
Cheers
TD67
Thanks for the stats.
One small point, the following link shows that UPS have ordered 10 A380Fs:
http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/abo...1_10_2005.html
Cheers
TD67
Taildragger67,
Airbus dont count MOI or options as orders, Boeing has with the 787.
There are 139 A380 aircraft signed up by contract, over 13 customers, thats what is reflected in what I have put above.
Air Asia's 40xA320 + 40 options has not made the airbus order books either, however thats on the Air Asia web site.
Maybe the will come online in this months order book.
Airbus dont count MOI or options as orders, Boeing has with the 787.
There are 139 A380 aircraft signed up by contract, over 13 customers, thats what is reflected in what I have put above.
Air Asia's 40xA320 + 40 options has not made the airbus order books either, however thats on the Air Asia web site.
Maybe the will come online in this months order book.
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