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Well, hey.
Sure, a 777 (that everyone has been predicting for years now) order would be great, and say it meant the end of the 330 fleet, what would happen to the relative order of pilots scuffle going on now? surely it wouldn't be transferred to the 777 - although I'm sure there's some a listers who think it's just another domestic a/c
so, where would they go? Just put em back on the maggot?? hmmm 
Sure, a 777 (that everyone has been predicting for years now) order would be great, and say it meant the end of the 330 fleet, what would happen to the relative order of pilots scuffle going on now? surely it wouldn't be transferred to the 777 - although I'm sure there's some a listers who think it's just another domestic a/c
so, where would they go? Just put em back on the maggot?? hmmm
If QF does go for the 777, it will be the 767/743/744 fleets that will reduce, a 777-300ER is longer than a 744, carries about 30 seats less for 40% less cost.
Dont think the 330 will go anywhere, espically with a rumoured embargo by the manufacturer of having pilots flying the 380 without airbus experience. Wonder how that will go down with capts at the top of the list on the 744 being bypassed for the higher paid 380 slots as they have no airbus experience.
Dont think the 330 will go anywhere, espically with a rumoured embargo by the manufacturer of having pilots flying the 380 without airbus experience. Wonder how that will go down with capts at the top of the list on the 744 being bypassed for the higher paid 380 slots as they have no airbus experience.
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swh said;
surely this would involve some hefty anti-trust litigation! after all, it's just another a/c!
.... and before someone points it out for me, I\'m no lawyer, so yes, i\'m probably not spot on with my legal diagnosis there. out.
embargo by the manufacturer
.... and before someone points it out for me, I\'m no lawyer, so yes, i\'m probably not spot on with my legal diagnosis there. out.
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Well sorry to dampen ya anti-trust argument its really up to the manufacturer, insurance companies, regulatorty authorities, and the owners to set minimum pilot requirements, not the courts.
Anti-trust would imply that there is some technology in the aircraft that forces you to buy airbus. Airbus are not saying that, they are saying they dont want their new baby to crash due to inexperienced crew, they want people who are Airbus experienced, i.e. already experienced with airbus flight modes, check lists (or lack of them), ecam, autopilot and autothrust modes, to an pilot who is already airbus experienced it would be "just another airbus" to them.
The mobs that the 787 are being sold to, I hope they have a good autopilot on that baby.
Anyways, they tell me any decision on a 777 is a while away, got all the commercial/marketing/engineering people trying to exploit the A380, nothing novel about a 777 for the punters, every man and his dog has them, it looks like a 767 to most people at the gate.
The 744 is not going anywhere for a while, so I guess many will retire on the queen of the skies, not the king.
Well sorry to dampen ya anti-trust argument its really up to the manufacturer, insurance companies, regulatorty authorities, and the owners to set minimum pilot requirements, not the courts.
Anti-trust would imply that there is some technology in the aircraft that forces you to buy airbus. Airbus are not saying that, they are saying they dont want their new baby to crash due to inexperienced crew, they want people who are Airbus experienced, i.e. already experienced with airbus flight modes, check lists (or lack of them), ecam, autopilot and autothrust modes, to an pilot who is already airbus experienced it would be "just another airbus" to them.
The mobs that the 787 are being sold to, I hope they have a good autopilot on that baby.
Anyways, they tell me any decision on a 777 is a while away, got all the commercial/marketing/engineering people trying to exploit the A380, nothing novel about a 777 for the punters, every man and his dog has them, it looks like a 767 to most people at the gate.
The 744 is not going anywhere for a while, so I guess many will retire on the queen of the skies, not the king.
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Restricting A380 to Airbus crew only would mean no sales to a certain Big Airline, wouldn't it?
If BA start leasing a couple of 330s we'll know why
Otherwise - roll on 747-500!
Presume Boeing didn't make any such stipulation for 747 when it came out?
If BA start leasing a couple of 330s we'll know why
Otherwise - roll on 747-500!Presume Boeing didn't make any such stipulation for 747 when it came out?
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MarkD,
BA have a large fleet of A320 family.
If they got really interested, they might aso be able to swing a combo 330/340 deal with the 380s a la a certain southern carrier, to replace their increasingly long-in-the-tooth 763s.
BA have a large fleet of A320 family.
If they got really interested, they might aso be able to swing a combo 330/340 deal with the 380s a la a certain southern carrier, to replace their increasingly long-in-the-tooth 763s.
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The word in engineering is that the A330's aren't tough eneough. They can't handle domestic sectors in particular and basically just break down more often.
As for Airbus requiring a 330 rating before being allowed to drive a 380, I can't imagine that would stop them selling one to Qantas if they offloaded the 330's. They can't be that hard to fly!! You guys are pretty clever, I'm sure you'd work it out!!
As for Airbus requiring a 330 rating before being allowed to drive a 380, I can't imagine that would stop them selling one to Qantas if they offloaded the 330's. They can't be that hard to fly!! You guys are pretty clever, I'm sure you'd work it out!!
Mark ...
"Restricting A380 to Airbus crew only would mean no sales to a certain Big Airline, wouldn't it?"
From the little I know of Big Airways, thought they had about 30 airbuses and 100 on order.
"Restricting A380 to Airbus crew only would mean no sales to a certain Big Airline, wouldn't it?"
From the little I know of Big Airways, thought they had about 30 airbuses and 100 on order.
The word in engineering is that the A330's aren't tough eneough. They can't handle domestic sectors in particular and basically just break down more often.
cutest of borg, obviously a VERY difficult question to answer, page 3 now and no response, its just easier to crap on about QF wackers!!!!!!Hang on, I am one ......DOH!!!!!!!!!
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With Airbus being as desperate as they are to pedal A380s - I highly doubt they'd have any problems selling to A/Ls not operating FBW Airbuses. Just look at the 380 sale to SQ... given they do have a pretty puny 345 pilot pool, and rumur has it they are on the way out too - they are a Boeing company for sure. Regardless, the A345/346 is still on the cards for QF. So where will QF turn? To CCQ, and fly chiefly Buses LH? Or run higher quality, stronger a/c that may cost more to train crews on?
Wait... what was the original question again?
Wait... what was the original question again?