The Increadible Stupidity of our Airport security!
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The Increadible Stupidity of our Airport security!
Today i recieved an express order from Sanity Music store in the Qf Domestic terminal. due to the urgent nature of the order, i personally delivered the requested stock, and delivered it to the terminal store.
what happened when i got there absolutly amazed me!
the stock ordered was 600 units of cdpr (standard music CD) and 300 DVD's
these filled 3 boxes weighing approx 30 Kg each, and each box about the size of a large computer monitor.
I arrived at the Under terminal loading dock (beside the group check in on the lower level at QF domestic) showed my usual id, whch is just a drivers licence, and found my parking spot. I loaded the 3 boxes onto a standard trolly and proceeded to the goods elevator to the terminal proper. just as i was about to enter the elevator, i was stopped by security and searched. I showed them my box cutter knife and all hell broke loose ( i need the box cutter to cut the plastic anti tamper tags on the boxes, as they came directly from the manufacturing plant at silverwater) in seconds i had 3 guards with guns drawn and police on the way.
by now im thinking it must be the 3 boxes, and i hope they dont expect me to open every single CD and DVD case!!!
to make a long story short, the supervisor or similar person came over, and i was practically strip searched, and only then allowed to make my delivery after approx 30 Mins of Bull**** questioning and a police check!! they took my boxcutter knife, pens, and keys to the truck, pretty much every metal item i had on me.
Not ONCE during this ordeal did ANYONE look at or question what was in the boxes!!!
sure enough, in the elevator i go, 3 boxes and a trolly and acess to the "secure" side of the terminal!!!!!
If only the travelling public could see this, and see just what a rort and pathetic excuse we have for security! lucky i had my background checked pilots licence on me or i would have been in real trouble!!
what happened when i got there absolutly amazed me!
the stock ordered was 600 units of cdpr (standard music CD) and 300 DVD's
these filled 3 boxes weighing approx 30 Kg each, and each box about the size of a large computer monitor.
I arrived at the Under terminal loading dock (beside the group check in on the lower level at QF domestic) showed my usual id, whch is just a drivers licence, and found my parking spot. I loaded the 3 boxes onto a standard trolly and proceeded to the goods elevator to the terminal proper. just as i was about to enter the elevator, i was stopped by security and searched. I showed them my box cutter knife and all hell broke loose ( i need the box cutter to cut the plastic anti tamper tags on the boxes, as they came directly from the manufacturing plant at silverwater) in seconds i had 3 guards with guns drawn and police on the way.
by now im thinking it must be the 3 boxes, and i hope they dont expect me to open every single CD and DVD case!!!
to make a long story short, the supervisor or similar person came over, and i was practically strip searched, and only then allowed to make my delivery after approx 30 Mins of Bull**** questioning and a police check!! they took my boxcutter knife, pens, and keys to the truck, pretty much every metal item i had on me.
Not ONCE during this ordeal did ANYONE look at or question what was in the boxes!!!
sure enough, in the elevator i go, 3 boxes and a trolly and acess to the "secure" side of the terminal!!!!!
If only the travelling public could see this, and see just what a rort and pathetic excuse we have for security! lucky i had my background checked pilots licence on me or i would have been in real trouble!!
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Dear Mohammed Ultralights
if you're going to penetrate the super security of Sydney airport at least you could do it with something more impressive than a stanley knife ( I refuse to call them boxcutters). Next time at least get yourself on the evening news!!
Regards
Ali Bizpax
if you're going to penetrate the super security of Sydney airport at least you could do it with something more impressive than a stanley knife ( I refuse to call them boxcutters). Next time at least get yourself on the evening news!!
Regards
Ali Bizpax
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which "guards" were they? the type who has flunked out of police college and thrown out of the army?, or those ones who wonder round the terminal with machine guns, jack boots and german sheppards.
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It gets dumber and dumber.
Just before christmas a female pax walked up to us as we strolled throught the ASP terminal and asked us 'is olive oil prohibited on your plane?'
She explained that at security screening, a 300ml bottle of gourmet olive oil that she had bought on her holiday, had been confiscated by airport security when it was detected in her hand luggage.
We could not offer anything but a wry smile, and suggested she return to the security screening people and ask them to show her which book or what regulation prohibited the olive oil, and for what reason.
She later returned saying that yes, the security staff found a manual that said that olive oil was a fire hazard and was not permitted to be carried on board.
But who is screening the caterers?
We later served her and her fellow passengers an in flight meal with a green salad, dressed with olive oil.
Almost a hundred meals with a serve of olive oil! Much more than her 300ml in a bottle!
Lucky we didn't have a cabin fire.
Just before christmas a female pax walked up to us as we strolled throught the ASP terminal and asked us 'is olive oil prohibited on your plane?'
She explained that at security screening, a 300ml bottle of gourmet olive oil that she had bought on her holiday, had been confiscated by airport security when it was detected in her hand luggage.
We could not offer anything but a wry smile, and suggested she return to the security screening people and ask them to show her which book or what regulation prohibited the olive oil, and for what reason.
She later returned saying that yes, the security staff found a manual that said that olive oil was a fire hazard and was not permitted to be carried on board.
But who is screening the caterers?
We later served her and her fellow passengers an in flight meal with a green salad, dressed with olive oil.
Almost a hundred meals with a serve of olive oil! Much more than her 300ml in a bottle!
Lucky we didn't have a cabin fire.
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Lowest Common Denominator
Ultralight,
sorry to hear of your security ordeal my friend, but let me tell you, it will only get worse.
I call it LCD (lowest common denominator) politics, we all live our lives now under semi- draconian legislation because of the minority idiots and fanatics of this world.
Let's use a 'sledge hammer to crack a nut' type approach, e.g. speed cameras everywhere, "big brother" cameras, banning all BYO food/drinks at sporting venues, security paranoia and madness everywhere etc. etc.
We are more photographed, regulated, legislated than ever and getting worse.
Meanwhile I'm waiting for ASIO, ASIS and DSD etc. to check me out properly in case I'm a security threat or terrorist .
Happy travelling !
sorry to hear of your security ordeal my friend, but let me tell you, it will only get worse.
I call it LCD (lowest common denominator) politics, we all live our lives now under semi- draconian legislation because of the minority idiots and fanatics of this world.
Let's use a 'sledge hammer to crack a nut' type approach, e.g. speed cameras everywhere, "big brother" cameras, banning all BYO food/drinks at sporting venues, security paranoia and madness everywhere etc. etc.
We are more photographed, regulated, legislated than ever and getting worse.
Meanwhile I'm waiting for ASIO, ASIS and DSD etc. to check me out properly in case I'm a security threat or terrorist .
Happy travelling !
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
We're probably not telling "career" hijackers anything they don't already know, but it sounds as though the mindless individuals employed for security checks in Oz, are on a par with those in other parts of the world.
For instance:
Walking to the terminal following pre-fight briefing (flight planning), crew are required to pass through a security "check".
Although we are all in uniform, and travelling together, EACH of us is required to slide our ID's through the magnetic reader to verify EACH of our identities (just in case one of us hadn't noticed that a hijacker had quietly slipped in).
But as we - one-by-one - swipe our cards, a man pushing a trolley load of "who knows what" outflanks us, and holding up an "airside pass" issued to temporary visitors enters the terminal.
Now, the security guard is on FULL ALERT, because the Captain
has swiped his card the wrong way, and instead of a green - okay - light illuminating, a RED danger light, and a beep, beep has alerted Einstein that although the rest of the crew might have been fooled, this "last line of defence" hasn't!!
Meanwhile, our temporary pass holder has managed to wheel his 300kgs of plastic explosives right into the middle of the terminal, to distribute to his accomplices who are ready to board their flights!
Yes, it's a farce, and not ONLY a farce, but a time consuming one that is costing every air traveller lots of extra $$'s in the process.
For instance:
Walking to the terminal following pre-fight briefing (flight planning), crew are required to pass through a security "check".
Although we are all in uniform, and travelling together, EACH of us is required to slide our ID's through the magnetic reader to verify EACH of our identities (just in case one of us hadn't noticed that a hijacker had quietly slipped in).
But as we - one-by-one - swipe our cards, a man pushing a trolley load of "who knows what" outflanks us, and holding up an "airside pass" issued to temporary visitors enters the terminal.
Now, the security guard is on FULL ALERT, because the Captain
has swiped his card the wrong way, and instead of a green - okay - light illuminating, a RED danger light, and a beep, beep has alerted Einstein that although the rest of the crew might have been fooled, this "last line of defence" hasn't!!Meanwhile, our temporary pass holder has managed to wheel his 300kgs of plastic explosives right into the middle of the terminal, to distribute to his accomplices who are ready to board their flights!
Yes, it's a farce, and not ONLY a farce, but a time consuming one that is costing every air traveller lots of extra $$'s in the process.
Sorry to hear about it Ultralights.
I cannot top that story but at YMMB at least you had better be carrying your licence and medical with you as required by the regulations.
Armed protective services people were very politely checking them on the tarmac yesterday as well as checking anyone else airside. I thought the apprentice mechanic riding his bike was going to get into big trouble. I wonder what will happen to the kid who washes aeroplanes?
I guess we have to live with it.
I cannot top that story but at YMMB at least you had better be carrying your licence and medical with you as required by the regulations.
Armed protective services people were very politely checking them on the tarmac yesterday as well as checking anyone else airside. I thought the apprentice mechanic riding his bike was going to get into big trouble. I wonder what will happen to the kid who washes aeroplanes?
I guess we have to live with it.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
you had better be carrying your licence and medical with you as required by the regulations.
Armed protective services people were very politely checking them on the tarmac yesterday
Armed protective services people were very politely checking them on the tarmac yesterday
Some of the other actions they take, such as "confiscating" and not returning items later - eg. nail clippers, knives - is ILLEGAL, and qualifies as THEFT.
I wonder if all of the little Hitlers doing those "checks" yesterday would know a genuine licence or medical from a fake, and how many of THEM were authorised to be airside.
Kaptin, I would assume that they are "authorised persons" under the Civil Aviation Act or some such, otherwise it would be difficult to understand why they were airside at all.
They know what the act says anyway and of course I always keep my medical and licence with my headset.
Anyway they were perfectly polite and it was no trouble to comply. I think they live at YMML.
They know what the act says anyway and of course I always keep my medical and licence with my headset.
Anyway they were perfectly polite and it was no trouble to comply. I think they live at YMML.
CAR 5.56 - Production of Licences.
Part 2.6, 2.8 The Director can delegate CASA powers.
Interesting question for all you air lawyers though, can the Director delgate to an [B] individual or a class of people[B]? I have a funny feeling that it might be individuals.
Part 2.6, 2.8 The Director can delegate CASA powers.
Interesting question for all you air lawyers though, can the Director delgate to an [B] individual or a class of people[B]? I have a funny feeling that it might be individuals.
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The Australian Federal Police are a seperate instrumentation to Protective Services. Protective Services are just security guards for government installations and don't have powers of arrest, they caan however probably detain "suspects" until the Fed or State police arrive.
Production of license, medical etc is only required in conjunction with operating an aircraft.
They are not required when operating on two legs.
So the mechanic on his bike would be OK, unless he tried the get the bike airborne.
And then only CASA could check him. If the APS say they have the authority, ask to see the Delegation!
They are not required when operating on two legs.
So the mechanic on his bike would be OK, unless he tried the get the bike airborne.
And then only CASA could check him. If the APS say they have the authority, ask to see the Delegation!
Well unfortunately it is getting worse.
As of 10 March (think) all flight and cabin crew will be required to proceed through security prior to entry to the apron/aircraft.
That itself is time consuming and really a company issue with regards to cost, but consider that none of the catering people, non of the ground staff except the ones who have entered via a secure site have been through security.
It is a rediculous reg made up by some one who has no idea of security or how the industry works.
Who checks the safety officer, you know the one who drives around the airport looking for birds etc, the security gards them selves, few of us trust or hold these characters in high esteem, the armagard guy who brings a secure box out and dumps it in opur hold making sure no one even gets close, the DOTARs people them sleves the lowest common demoninator. to make such stupid rules they must surely be of doutbful minds. refuellers. engineers basicall every one who is not at risk of terrorism are allowed to enter,work around or on an aircraft yet the ones that are at risk are searched checked etc.
???????????
As of 10 March (think) all flight and cabin crew will be required to proceed through security prior to entry to the apron/aircraft.
That itself is time consuming and really a company issue with regards to cost, but consider that none of the catering people, non of the ground staff except the ones who have entered via a secure site have been through security.
It is a rediculous reg made up by some one who has no idea of security or how the industry works.
Who checks the safety officer, you know the one who drives around the airport looking for birds etc, the security gards them selves, few of us trust or hold these characters in high esteem, the armagard guy who brings a secure box out and dumps it in opur hold making sure no one even gets close, the DOTARs people them sleves the lowest common demoninator. to make such stupid rules they must surely be of doutbful minds. refuellers. engineers basicall every one who is not at risk of terrorism are allowed to enter,work around or on an aircraft yet the ones that are at risk are searched checked etc.
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I hope that you report that incident formally. Guns drawn is a rediculous over reaction.
I have been saying all along that securitar is useless and heres another example.
All airport securitar amounts to is visible securitar to keep the politicians looking clean, and an opportunity for the securitar industry to exploit peoples fears to increase it's own power and and earn more money. It's sad that those who are pushing the securitar bandwagon are the ones who never graduated highschool yet now have the power to wreck our lives more than terrizm ever did.
I have been saying all along that securitar is useless and heres another example.
All airport securitar amounts to is visible securitar to keep the politicians looking clean, and an opportunity for the securitar industry to exploit peoples fears to increase it's own power and and earn more money. It's sad that those who are pushing the securitar bandwagon are the ones who never graduated highschool yet now have the power to wreck our lives more than terrizm ever did.
Not only all the above, but you wont be able to go airside at any of these aerodromes without an ASIC after Mar 10:
New South Wales
Albury, Armidale, Bankstown, Bathurst, Bourke,
Belmont, Broken Hill, Cobar, Cooma, Coonabarabran,
Coonamble, Dubbo, Grafton, Griffith,
Gunnedah, Inverell, Lightning Ridge, Lismore,
Lord Howe Island Merimbula, Moree, Moruya,
Mudgee, Narrabri, Narrandera, Orange,
Parkes, Port Macquarie, Tamworth, Taree,
Wagga Wagga, Walgett West, Wyalong
Queensland
Archerfield, Aurukun, Badu Island, Bamaga,
Barcaldine, Bedourie, Birdsville, Blackall,
Blackwater, Boigu Island, Boulia, Bundaberg,
Burketown, Charleville, Cloncurry, Coconut/Poruma Island,
Coen, Cooktown, Cunnamulla, Darnley/Erub Island,
Doomadgee, Dunk Island, Edward River/Pormpuraaw,
Emerald, Gladstone, Hervey Bay, Horn Island,
Hughenden, Iron Range/Lockhart, Julia Creek,
Karumba ,Kowanyama, Kubin/Moa Island,
Lizard Island, Longreach, Mabuiag Island,
Maryborough, Moranbah, Mornington Island,
Murray/Mer Island, Normanton, Palm Island,
Quilpie, Richmond, Roma, Saibai, St George,
Sue/Warraber Island, Thangool, Thargomindah,
Toowoomba, Windorah, Winton, Yam Island,
Yorke Island.
Victoria
Essendon (GA), Essendon (RPT), Hamilton,
Latrobe Valley, Moorabbin (GA), Moorabbin (RPT),
Mount Hotham, Portland, Warrnambool.
Tasmania
Cambridge, Flinders Island, King Island, Strahan.
South Australia
Ceduna, Coober Pedy, Kingscote, Mount Gambier,
Olympic Dam, Parafield, Port Augusta, Port Lincoln,
Whyalla.
Western Australia
Albany, Carnarvon, Derby/Curtin, Esperance,
Fitzroy Crossing, Geraldton, Halls Creek,
Jandakot, Kalbarri, Laverton, Learmonth,
Leinstar, Leonora, Meekatharra, Mount Magnet,
Ravensthorpe, Shark Bay/Monkey Mia, Wiluna.
Northern Territory
Bathurst Island, Elcho Island , Garden Point,
Hooker Creek/Lajamanu, Kalkgurung/Kalkaringi,
Katherine/Tindal, Lake Evella, McArthur River,
Maningrida, Milingimbi, Numbulwar, Port Keats,
Ramingining, Snake Bay, Tennant Creek,
Victoria River Downs.
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New South Wales
Albury, Armidale, Bankstown, Bathurst, Bourke,
Belmont, Broken Hill, Cobar, Cooma, Coonabarabran,
Coonamble, Dubbo, Grafton, Griffith,
Gunnedah, Inverell, Lightning Ridge, Lismore,
Lord Howe Island Merimbula, Moree, Moruya,
Mudgee, Narrabri, Narrandera, Orange,
Parkes, Port Macquarie, Tamworth, Taree,
Wagga Wagga, Walgett West, Wyalong
Queensland
Archerfield, Aurukun, Badu Island, Bamaga,
Barcaldine, Bedourie, Birdsville, Blackall,
Blackwater, Boigu Island, Boulia, Bundaberg,
Burketown, Charleville, Cloncurry, Coconut/Poruma Island,
Coen, Cooktown, Cunnamulla, Darnley/Erub Island,
Doomadgee, Dunk Island, Edward River/Pormpuraaw,
Emerald, Gladstone, Hervey Bay, Horn Island,
Hughenden, Iron Range/Lockhart, Julia Creek,
Karumba ,Kowanyama, Kubin/Moa Island,
Lizard Island, Longreach, Mabuiag Island,
Maryborough, Moranbah, Mornington Island,
Murray/Mer Island, Normanton, Palm Island,
Quilpie, Richmond, Roma, Saibai, St George,
Sue/Warraber Island, Thangool, Thargomindah,
Toowoomba, Windorah, Winton, Yam Island,
Yorke Island.
Victoria
Essendon (GA), Essendon (RPT), Hamilton,
Latrobe Valley, Moorabbin (GA), Moorabbin (RPT),
Mount Hotham, Portland, Warrnambool.
Tasmania
Cambridge, Flinders Island, King Island, Strahan.
South Australia
Ceduna, Coober Pedy, Kingscote, Mount Gambier,
Olympic Dam, Parafield, Port Augusta, Port Lincoln,
Whyalla.
Western Australia
Albany, Carnarvon, Derby/Curtin, Esperance,
Fitzroy Crossing, Geraldton, Halls Creek,
Jandakot, Kalbarri, Laverton, Learmonth,
Leinstar, Leonora, Meekatharra, Mount Magnet,
Ravensthorpe, Shark Bay/Monkey Mia, Wiluna.
Northern Territory
Bathurst Island, Elcho Island , Garden Point,
Hooker Creek/Lajamanu, Kalkgurung/Kalkaringi,
Katherine/Tindal, Lake Evella, McArthur River,
Maningrida, Milingimbi, Numbulwar, Port Keats,
Ramingining, Snake Bay, Tennant Creek,
Victoria River Downs.
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Really????
This is going to be fun.
I regularly go airside at most of those outer area strips with all sorts of prohibited items; dangerous goods, sharps, etc. How are they going to police me getting off one of HA's 210's at a way out of the way strip with all this contraband, loaded at Darwin and not EVER having been security checked???
And guess what?? IF I don't carry these items and do the work I go for, aviation will get VERY bent and twisted about it. Over stating the case? Not even slightly! I fix weather stations and need all of these horrendous items to do so.
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I regularly go airside at most of those outer area strips with all sorts of prohibited items; dangerous goods, sharps, etc. How are they going to police me getting off one of HA's 210's at a way out of the way strip with all this contraband, loaded at Darwin and not EVER having been security checked???
And guess what?? IF I don't carry these items and do the work I go for, aviation will get VERY bent and twisted about it. Over stating the case? Not even slightly! I fix weather stations and need all of these horrendous items to do so.
40 - love. Game point.
If this is really the case then something is totally wrong. What about pax walking to GA aircraft? What about my leatherman tool? Even my fuel drainer is a weapon.
I can't believe this is going to happen. If it did there would be chaos followed by serious political fallout.
I can't believe this is going to happen. If it did there would be chaos followed by serious political fallout.