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Apart from one single point, Ydraw, I didn't say you were wrong. Indeed, the opposite is true. I said that QF NEEDs to improve.
What I am saying is that you put your point across SOOOOOOO badly that no-one is interested in listening to you, because you clearly are a serial whinger with zero idea, and a serious chip on your shoulder.
I am saying that if you want to make your point then do so. By stating:
you lose your reader straight away. They think that you are a fool.
Yes you did. It's clear you cant even remember what you have written. What was it you said about flight attendants again?
My friend, if you wish to get on here and pontificate about how right you really are, then at least get you facts straight. And they're YOUR facts, not mine.
You have zero credibility. You can't even whinge properly.
Oh, and by the way? I am listening. And so are most of my collegues. Despite the fact that management arent.
I think that you should go away now and fly VB with the rest of your Ugg Boot brigade.
What I am saying is that you put your point across SOOOOOOO badly that no-one is interested in listening to you, because you clearly are a serial whinger with zero idea, and a serious chip on your shoulder.
I am saying that if you want to make your point then do so. By stating:
I don't care how I "come across".
If you reread my post, I didn't "pick the ****" out of anyone during my flight
My friend, if you wish to get on here and pontificate about how right you really are, then at least get you facts straight. And they're YOUR facts, not mine.
You have zero credibility. You can't even whinge properly.
Oh, and by the way? I am listening. And so are most of my collegues. Despite the fact that management arent.
I think that you should go away now and fly VB with the rest of your Ugg Boot brigade.
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Ydraw,
Mate, I am certainly no apologist for Qantas and I am not cabin crew, but you need to have a long look at yourself before you get 20 years in the slammer for road rage.
Lesson #1 in life is that the world is not fair. Plenty of other people have actually waited in the wrong queue - I've made it an art form. There are worse things in life than not getting a skinful at your own desired pace. Others have posted about the visa situation - many people complain endlessly over things that they know nothing about - airline passengers have made it an art form. Those that can't control themselves (usually after too many beers) sometimes end up on air rage charges and in jail. Nobody should have to work in an environment where they are attacked by yobbos who decide to use violence just becuase they've paid for an air ticket. I'd suggest you were targetted as a potential air rage case by the cabin crew on the flight you wrote about and that you were denied further service - that is the cabin crew's right and their manager's responsibility.
Lesson #2, if your image of airline cabin crew is gorgeous hosties blowing smoke up your arse about what a great guy you are while they ply you with endless alcohol - then forget it! It's not going to happen on quite a few other airlines too, I reckon. The reason for the great chickie babes in Cathay and SIA is that they pay them crap and retire them young. In Australia, there are a few things like discrimination laws that are in the way of your dream bunch of bodascious babes!
Lesson #3, if you want to change the world (or Qantas in your case) don't bitch about it on the Internet, get off your arse and do something about it by sending a letter to the company and formally complaining. You took the time to write it on the net, why not send it to the company - at least some QF ****** would have to read it. Bitching on the net won't achieve anything.
Lesson #4, treat people the way that you would like to be treated. You obviously hate Qantas, so what was your attitude when you first got on board the aircraft? Try being polite - it might get you a lot further. If your reply is that they're in a f^&king service industry, well, that's true ... but you'll get better service I'm sure if you try to be a bit nicer yourself. I have travelled a lot in business class and the number of times you hear a "please" or "thank you" or other common courtesy is EXTREMELY low. The reason why some of those QF boilers are the way they are is probably because they've been serving passengers like you for so long.
Rant over! I'm sure that you'd say it's all bullsh*t. But maybe in another 20 years or so when life has taken a real hard crack at you, you'll realise that common courtesy and consideration is the greatest gift that one human being can give to another.
Mate, I am certainly no apologist for Qantas and I am not cabin crew, but you need to have a long look at yourself before you get 20 years in the slammer for road rage.
Lesson #1 in life is that the world is not fair. Plenty of other people have actually waited in the wrong queue - I've made it an art form. There are worse things in life than not getting a skinful at your own desired pace. Others have posted about the visa situation - many people complain endlessly over things that they know nothing about - airline passengers have made it an art form. Those that can't control themselves (usually after too many beers) sometimes end up on air rage charges and in jail. Nobody should have to work in an environment where they are attacked by yobbos who decide to use violence just becuase they've paid for an air ticket. I'd suggest you were targetted as a potential air rage case by the cabin crew on the flight you wrote about and that you were denied further service - that is the cabin crew's right and their manager's responsibility.
Lesson #2, if your image of airline cabin crew is gorgeous hosties blowing smoke up your arse about what a great guy you are while they ply you with endless alcohol - then forget it! It's not going to happen on quite a few other airlines too, I reckon. The reason for the great chickie babes in Cathay and SIA is that they pay them crap and retire them young. In Australia, there are a few things like discrimination laws that are in the way of your dream bunch of bodascious babes!
Lesson #3, if you want to change the world (or Qantas in your case) don't bitch about it on the Internet, get off your arse and do something about it by sending a letter to the company and formally complaining. You took the time to write it on the net, why not send it to the company - at least some QF ****** would have to read it. Bitching on the net won't achieve anything.
Lesson #4, treat people the way that you would like to be treated. You obviously hate Qantas, so what was your attitude when you first got on board the aircraft? Try being polite - it might get you a lot further. If your reply is that they're in a f^&king service industry, well, that's true ... but you'll get better service I'm sure if you try to be a bit nicer yourself. I have travelled a lot in business class and the number of times you hear a "please" or "thank you" or other common courtesy is EXTREMELY low. The reason why some of those QF boilers are the way they are is probably because they've been serving passengers like you for so long.
Rant over! I'm sure that you'd say it's all bullsh*t. But maybe in another 20 years or so when life has taken a real hard crack at you, you'll realise that common courtesy and consideration is the greatest gift that one human being can give to another.
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What I am saying is that you put your point across SOOOOOOO badly that no-one is interested in listening to you, because you clearly are a serial whinger with zero idea, and a serious chip on your shoulder.
The fact is that my article has been read by thousands of people - for a long time it was in the top 5 results for a google search for "Qantas". Most who have commented did indeed listen, and agreed with the sentiments expressed.
Forgive me for not being Oscar Wilde, but the purpose of my website is partly to entertain. My writing style is quite popular among over 700 visitors a day to my site.
I didn't lose any readers as a result of this article - in fact it was the most popular in the history of my site. You guys are still talking about it 15 months after the fact. That should tell you and your colleagues something.
Yes you did. It's clear you cant even remember what you have written. What was it you said about flight attendants again?
I think that you should go away now and fly VB with the rest of your Ugg Boot brigade.
That's exactly the kind of attitude displayed by Qantas hosties everywhere. They look down their noses at the economy class passengers, as if they themselves are nuclear scientists or something? You're a waiter. Get over yourself!
The reason for the great chickie babes in Cathay and SIA is that they pay them crap and retire them young. In Australia, there are a few things like discrimination laws that are in the way of your dream bunch of bodascious babes!
Lesson #3, if you want to change the world (or Qantas in your case) don\'t bitch about it on the Internet, get off your arse and do something about it by sending a letter to the company and formally complaining. You took the time to write it on the net, why not send it to the company - at least some QF ****** would have to read it. Bitching on the net won\'t achieve anything.
My article achieved a great deal. Not only did it bring the situation to the attention of other Australians, I also attracted the attention of Qantas public relations, who sent a shill to try and debunk my claims. His name is "Mike", you can read is efforts in the comments below my article. In addition, we enacted an unofficial boycott of Qantas. I guarantee you that result is a hell of a lot more than I would have got from writing to Qantas management.
Lesson #4, treat people the way that you would like to be treated. You obviously hate Qantas, so what was your attitude when you first got on board the aircraft? Try being polite - it might get you a lot further.
I\'d suggest you were targetted as a potential air rage case by the cabin crew on the flight
I fail to see why you think I\'m a candidate for air or road rage.
Despite the poor treatment I received on my flight, the most amount of fuss I kicked up was continuing to turn on the light on my seat for service despite the hostesses\' obvious wish to be left alone to do crossword puzzles. I was perfectly calm the whole time. The only time I spoke to the air crew was to ask for a drink, and I did so politely each time.
If you think asking for service consitutes the beginning of air rage, then it\'s no wonder that such incidents are increasing. I guess hostesses really do feel that anyone asking for more than the 2 provided drinks are troublemakers by default.
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Mmmmmm. A quick wander around your web site about sums it up.
Gutter trash, slime, filth.
No, matter of fact I'm a pilot. But that doesn't mean that I look down MY nose at FA's like you obviously do, nor do I treat them solely as sex objects like you clearly do. You are a very sad human being.
Ydraw. You are a troll with little or no respect for other human beings, unless you see them to be of benefit to yourself.
My back is turned on you.
Gutter trash, slime, filth.
No, matter of fact I'm a pilot. But that doesn't mean that I look down MY nose at FA's like you obviously do, nor do I treat them solely as sex objects like you clearly do. You are a very sad human being.
Ydraw. You are a troll with little or no respect for other human beings, unless you see them to be of benefit to yourself.
My back is turned on you.
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Ydraw,
Is he another incarnation of Cornholio, Kornholio, Cornholeeo?
Cheers, HH.
PS: Are you planning on becoming a regular member of the hang $hit on Qantas brigade?
Is he another incarnation of Cornholio, Kornholio, Cornholeeo?
Cheers, HH.
PS: Are you planning on becoming a regular member of the hang $hit on Qantas brigade?
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No, matter of fact I'm a pilot. But that doesn't mean that I look down MY nose at FA's like you obviously do, nor do I treat them solely as sex objects like you clearly do. You are a very sad human being.
As for me being a troll, haven't we forgotten something here? It was this board that linked to ME and then started to badmouth me. I am here to defend myself, not to troll.
No matter what you think of my writing, that doesn't change the fact that there is a problem with the attitude of the air crew at Qantas. You can label me whatever you like, but the fact is that, as a pilot, you'd never be exposed to poor service because of your position. So really, you aren't even qualified to comment.
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From another section of this board:
Neatly sums up the attitude we're talking about here. Without the "self-loading freight" you have to put up with, you wouldn't have jobs.
Cabin Crew
The other half of the airborne team who put up with the self-loading freight.
The other half of the airborne team who put up with the self-loading freight.
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Chill Baby
Get a Sense of humour.
Not much positive about anything on your website.There is a cure for Seasonally Affected Disorder(from which you appear to suffer)....its called a Happy Box.Only too happy to purchase one for you in LHR when next I`m there.
Not much positive about anything on your website.There is a cure for Seasonally Affected Disorder(from which you appear to suffer)....its called a Happy Box.Only too happy to purchase one for you in LHR when next I`m there.
YDRAW On one point. Let's see how VB deals with the current young, slim and groovy FAs in fifteen years time. SIA pay theirs a bonus if they leave! What will VB do?
The SQ accident at Taipai revealled that the SIA stick insects COULD NOT OPEN the emegency exits and had to be assisted by male passengers. I know who I would want dragging me out of a burning wreckage.
The SQ accident at Taipai revealled that the SIA stick insects COULD NOT OPEN the emegency exits and had to be assisted by male passengers. I know who I would want dragging me out of a burning wreckage.
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YDRAW On one point. Let's see how VB deals with the current young, slim and groovy FAs in fifteen years time. SIA pay theirs a bonus if they leave! What will VB do?
The SQ accident at Taipai revealled that the SIA stick insects COULD NOT OPEN the emegency exits and had to be assisted by male passengers. I know who I would want dragging me out of a burning wreckage.
Opening doors is not complex stuff. If the hosties can't do it, I'm sure someone would work it out. As happened above.
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I really don't know why you guys persist with this.
Yobbo himself says he knows little about the industry; that is also obvious from his blog.
He has his opinion, some of it is valid, most of it isn't. I agree that the greatest problem Qantas has is the inconsistency of the service. Sometimes it is bad, often it is as good or better than most.
(Pilots passenger as well too Yobbo. I have also paxed on both SQ and Cathay and found the service was not the quantum leap on QF that some would say).
Why anyone gives any creedence to this guy, because he has a blog is beyond me. Must be the squeaky wheel syndrome.
Yobbo himself says he knows little about the industry; that is also obvious from his blog.
He has his opinion, some of it is valid, most of it isn't. I agree that the greatest problem Qantas has is the inconsistency of the service. Sometimes it is bad, often it is as good or better than most.
(Pilots passenger as well too Yobbo. I have also paxed on both SQ and Cathay and found the service was not the quantum leap on QF that some would say).
Why anyone gives any creedence to this guy, because he has a blog is beyond me. Must be the squeaky wheel syndrome.
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Opening doors is not complex stuff. If the hosties can't do it, I'm sure someone would work it out.
I just want them to stop being so bloody bitchy and do their job
I am here to defend myself, not to troll
So really, you aren't even qualified to comment
No-one is disputing the fact that QF needs some work on it's customer service sometimes.
What is in dispute is your unbelievably ignorant and abrasive attitude. You seem to think that you can talk to anyone in any fashion that you see fit. Well you arrogant fool, I'm here to tell you that you wont be tolerated. So you are now receiving some of your own invective right back again.
The other problem is that you have a few affirmative replies, and therefore you seem to think that you somehow represent the community at large? 700 hits a day is not significant. Adolf Hitler had a few followers too. Does this mean that they weren't wrong simply because they were followers?
Wrap your argument up, place it in a nice polite letter, and send it to little Geoff D. He'd love to hear from you.
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No, actually, you stated that you wanted them all out of a job. Apparently along with the rest of us.
If you're decent at your job then I'm sure you'll be able to find another job when Qantas collapses. Most of their air crew wouldn't qualify under that condition though. They aren't good at their jobs. If they were, there wouldn't be so many complaints.
(I've got no complaints with Qantas pilots, as far as I know they're the best in the world.)
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"I really don't know why you guys persist with this."
Me neither mate.
Ydraw: “I stated that I wanted Qantas to go broke.”
Get off the idiot pills and start taking reality pills.
Why are we wasting time, effort and band width on some half baked, illiterate yobbo who thinks he knows it all about the airline industry?
Why do those who are least inclined to pay the real cost of air travel, expect to travel First Class.........?
Woomera
Me neither mate.
Ydraw: “I stated that I wanted Qantas to go broke.”
Get off the idiot pills and start taking reality pills.
Why are we wasting time, effort and band width on some half baked, illiterate yobbo who thinks he knows it all about the airline industry?
Why do those who are least inclined to pay the real cost of air travel, expect to travel First Class.........?
Woomera
