Qf LAME OT bans
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They cant just keep increasing our wages every year without some return from us.
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If the lames accept a bit of pain Im sure we could get a wage rise and maybe even a higher priority for staff travel upgrades.
The blokes are so pi##ed off with the airlines attitude and arrogance when it comes to wages, conditions and changes in the workplace. 66% for Management and 3% for workers if they suffer some pain is a joke. The cosy relationship between the union and Qf has delivered us nothing but pain over the years. Those days have now ended with the unofficial OT bans. The members no longer listen to the Exec and therefore aren't controlled by BD and friends. Stick your friggen agreement where it fits Mr Q.
"good working relationship with company"???????????????????
What about a good working relationship with the members you are supposed to represent?
This clown is an idiot. To get management respect, you need a feral President and committee like the building workers.
"good working relationship with company"???????????????????
What about a good working relationship with the members you are supposed to represent?
This clown is an idiot. To get management respect, you need a feral President and committee like the building workers.
Furthermore, the idea that the company can take more and more and everbody gets more except the labor force is seriously flawed.
I\'m afraid, as with CASA, this is only going to end one way - a large hole in the ground someday followed by a royal commission as to why safety is no longer a priority.
What about a good working relationship with the members you are supposed to represent?
This clown is an idiot. To get management respect, you need a feral President and committee like the building workers.
"good working relationship with company"???????????????????
What about a good working relationship with the members you are supposed to represent?
This clown is an idiot. To get management respect, you need a feral President and committee like the building workers.
Furthermore, the idea that the company can take more and more and everbody gets more except the labor force is seriously flawed.
I\'m afraid, as with CASA, this is only going to end one way - a large hole in the ground someday followed by a royal commission as to why safety is no longer a priority.
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"So how are your little ot bans going. Between the 6 of you I bet the airline are shaking at there knees."
That's odd, no gound engineer I come into contact with is doing overtime.
That's odd, no gound engineer I come into contact with is doing overtime.
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That's odd, no gound engineer I come into contact with is doing overtime.
What about a good working relationship with the members you are supposed to represent?
Nobody gives a damn about staff travel upgrades, how the hell do they help me feed the family.
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That's right 'Q' I can just see the LAME's being upgraded to sit with one of the Board members or even the little man himself, when they go on their free travel. They would really have a lot to talk about.
Honestly LAMES don't want first class travel they would be happier with a firmer on load priority and a business seat. But then who can get a sit these days, the company is going so well there always full.
Go figure and little Geoff still keeps crying poor, every time a new EBA comes around geoff can pull out a disaster from his hat that is going to affect the companies profitabilty, just long enough to sway the vote.
Honestly LAMES don't want first class travel they would be happier with a firmer on load priority and a business seat. But then who can get a sit these days, the company is going so well there always full.
Go figure and little Geoff still keeps crying poor, every time a new EBA comes around geoff can pull out a disaster from his hat that is going to affect the companies profitabilty, just long enough to sway the vote.
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"I thought you bus drivers knew how to spell."
thankew Mr Q. now lets have a few from ewe..
Typical loose liped rubbish...
disruption to the enginering business
Nowone nows about this OT ban
and grangstanding on this respected forum.
Most lames are suportive of
Keep geussing fools
To much of a pay cut
It takes an extremly dedicated individual
nights reveiwing email, answering calls etc...
the Mexican s**t stirers.
OK losers I want a few misconsceptions cleared up.
have freinds on the floor and up higher.
try and dispell the lies
in good sted
spend less time slaging me
I dont seem to be having to much trouble
alaea members are more than satisfyed
its all a matter of respect and proffessionalism
i now i'm bad butt your a berluddy shocker!!
thankew Mr Q. now lets have a few from ewe..
Typical loose liped rubbish...
disruption to the enginering business
Nowone nows about this OT ban
and grangstanding on this respected forum.
Most lames are suportive of
Keep geussing fools
To much of a pay cut
It takes an extremly dedicated individual
nights reveiwing email, answering calls etc...
the Mexican s**t stirers.
OK losers I want a few misconsceptions cleared up.
have freinds on the floor and up higher.
try and dispell the lies
in good sted
spend less time slaging me
I dont seem to be having to much trouble
alaea members are more than satisfyed
its all a matter of respect and proffessionalism
i now i'm bad butt your a berluddy shocker!!
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DEXTER
Nice to see some humour thrown into the slanging match.
Bruddy Bewt!
Mr Qantas, I dont know what the awards say about working OT and if it is mandatory, but I can't see any manager or supervisor placing pressure on a LAME to work overtime after he says he is tired from working OT in the past. Particularly if something about SAFETY is mumbled.
Or try this one, I am fatigued and I believe that if I work I will be placing myself at risk of an accident. Now that will send OH&S alarm bells ringing.
Seriously, negotiations are the way to go. NEGOTIATIONS! BOTH PARTIES need to participate.
Good luck to you all on both sides, sounds like a place I wouldnt want to be in.
Nice to see some humour thrown into the slanging match.
Bruddy Bewt!
Mr Qantas, I dont know what the awards say about working OT and if it is mandatory, but I can't see any manager or supervisor placing pressure on a LAME to work overtime after he says he is tired from working OT in the past. Particularly if something about SAFETY is mumbled.
Or try this one, I am fatigued and I believe that if I work I will be placing myself at risk of an accident. Now that will send OH&S alarm bells ringing.
Seriously, negotiations are the way to go. NEGOTIATIONS! BOTH PARTIES need to participate.
Good luck to you all on both sides, sounds like a place I wouldnt want to be in.
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QFFFFF'D
Count the number of EBA'S that QF has stitched us up.The number you come up with, is how many defects we should be writing in the Techlog, before each preflight,"NOT JUST ONE".In my mind,this would seriously and rapidly fill up the Techlog with Hold items.We are Lames,who out there has the right to challenge the merits of any defect we enter in the log."ONLY OTHER LAMES".Come on boys its time to fight these pricks we call an employer.
You know what the ****ty thing is,about this situation.Most Lame's I work with,"DO" bust their ass to keep an aircraft on time,but the company rewards their Managers with large pay rises and they dont even have "peoples lives"in their hands.
You know what the ****ty thing is,about this situation.Most Lame's I work with,"DO" bust their ass to keep an aircraft on time,but the company rewards their Managers with large pay rises and they dont even have "peoples lives"in their hands.
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Or try this one, I am fatigued and I believe that if I work I will be placing myself at risk of an accident. Now that will send OH&S alarm bells ringing.
if employees are that tired they are crashing on the way home, (some have crashed leaving the car park and QF drive!) then what does this say about the quality and the effrot thay are putting into their work while on overtime??
Qf have screwed everyone they can over and won EVERY time! all the best of luck in the upcoming battles! (the AMWU are always up for a good fight!)
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accidents
Hey,Ultralights,
Do you realise qantas have a waffle policy of"No accidents at any time",But behind closed management doors,this policy only matters at work,as QF dont really give a damn about any of their employees once they leave the gate.
Do you realise qantas have a waffle policy of"No accidents at any time",But behind closed management doors,this policy only matters at work,as QF dont really give a damn about any of their employees once they leave the gate.
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Qf IR out for someones head. Senior Management have held emergency meetings and warned ALAEA officials that they will be seeking the leaders of this action and won't hold back when the punishment is dished out. It is rumoured that some senior ALAEA officials may "dob in" the ring leaders and make false statements in order to kill off political opponents. Members are advised not to discuss the situation with any member of the ALAEA EBA negotiating committee.
737 sits idle at Melbourne hangar for over a week with fuel quantity defect. No LAME is available to get the aircraft back in service and Senior managers are fuming. Heavy maint provided 2 LAMEs to work for a limited time on the airplane but were unable to fix the problem. HM Mel have now been informed that any LAME who breaks rank will never work in Line again.
BBJ and Nauru airplanes sit idle tonight and no LAME has made themselves available to fly in and rectify the broken birds. Maybe some Managers could pull some spanners out.
Bans now moving into HM, Base Serv and other areas in conjunction with the EBA offer. International Terminals now "onboard".
737 sits idle at Melbourne hangar for over a week with fuel quantity defect. No LAME is available to get the aircraft back in service and Senior managers are fuming. Heavy maint provided 2 LAMEs to work for a limited time on the airplane but were unable to fix the problem. HM Mel have now been informed that any LAME who breaks rank will never work in Line again.
BBJ and Nauru airplanes sit idle tonight and no LAME has made themselves available to fly in and rectify the broken birds. Maybe some Managers could pull some spanners out.
Bans now moving into HM, Base Serv and other areas in conjunction with the EBA offer. International Terminals now "onboard".
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Maybe some Managers could pull some spanners out.
as tits on a bull. thats how usfull there showing them selfs to be when theres sumwons reely needed.
all this threats from managment is making me loose more sleep an getting tireder wundring what akshun there goin to take.
definately no chance off o/t for me with that sorter pressure!
as tits on a bull. thats how usfull there showing them selfs to be when theres sumwons reely needed.
all this threats from managment is making me loose more sleep an getting tireder wundring what akshun there goin to take.
definately no chance off o/t for me with that sorter pressure!
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ALL THE BEST GUYS
I wish you guys all the best in your endevours.Far too long corperate suits have devalued the work and sacrifice that LAMES make to keep the a/c flying.Always going the distance!.How many times have we had to make that phone call to wives and family saying we have to stay back to complete a job?.More and more lately due to cost savings on manpower.When will companys learn that LAMES are cheap insurance.A lot of companys in europe and the us have realised the error of there ways in removing LAMES from the tarmac and are putting engineers back at the coalface.think about it, they know the aircraft that transit,the history and specific probs that certain a/c may have had.Remove them and you remove that intimate knowlege they have and that means delays .
Just be careful guys big brother will be out there
P.S Mr qeerass, sorry, Mr Qantas- I cant believe you are a LAME how can you turn on your peers? you of all people should know the sacrifices LAMES make, you should be ashamed of yourself by devalueing your profession ALAEA A
Just be careful guys big brother will be out there
P.S Mr qeerass, sorry, Mr Qantas- I cant believe you are a LAME how can you turn on your peers? you of all people should know the sacrifices LAMES make, you should be ashamed of yourself by devalueing your profession ALAEA A
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managers fixing indication probs
QUOTE"Maybe some Managers could pull some spanners out".
Managers fix fuel cal problem.
HA Ha, I'd like to see that.
Maybe I could be wrong,some of them might really need the $2 a day extra for working in a fuel tank.
Manager 1. "PSD 60 test box,whats that?."
Manager 2. "Dont confuse me, Im still counting my xmas bonus"
Manager 1. "What, I thought you were locating the fuel tanks!"
Manager 2. "Don't pressure me, I'll find em"
Manager 2. "Hey I think we connect that box to those (antenna) things in the tanks".
Manager 1. "What's this TSU thing it keeps saying here in the maint instructions?"
Manager 2. "Oh thats part of the new indication system I I advised the company to pick up a few years ago,made the system more reliable.Got me a big fat bonus for that one too"
Managers fix fuel cal problem.
HA Ha, I'd like to see that.
Maybe I could be wrong,some of them might really need the $2 a day extra for working in a fuel tank.
Manager 1. "PSD 60 test box,whats that?."
Manager 2. "Dont confuse me, Im still counting my xmas bonus"
Manager 1. "What, I thought you were locating the fuel tanks!"
Manager 2. "Don't pressure me, I'll find em"
Manager 2. "Hey I think we connect that box to those (antenna) things in the tanks".
Manager 1. "What's this TSU thing it keeps saying here in the maint instructions?"
Manager 2. "Oh thats part of the new indication system I I advised the company to pick up a few years ago,made the system more reliable.Got me a big fat bonus for that one too"
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The parties are committed to complete negotiations on the new agreement prior to the expiry of this Agreement.
This is one clause that can be negotiated away for the next EBA because it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
It's been the same for every EBA from the beginning, and I was led to believe last time it was the mexicans slowing down the proceedings, so what excuse are they going to use this time?
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Time running out is a tactic. Everything is supposed to then come to a head and see who blinks first.
Usually it is the union that blinks because of concern for members jobs and a lack of financial resources, and of course a worry about prejudicing that "close working relationship" with "management"
The company IR guys on the other hand have no such concerns.
The actual reality of the industrial relations club is that you can be as brutal as hell because its only a game to them.
Pressure is going to ramp up eventually. Expect the Packer press and their mates to be writing things like "Tsunami Relief Efforts Hampered by striking engineers".
Then of course the Minister for Qantas will roll in and make threateneing government noises.
The only safe argument you guys can make is...... safety and the need for adequate rest
Usually it is the union that blinks because of concern for members jobs and a lack of financial resources, and of course a worry about prejudicing that "close working relationship" with "management"
The company IR guys on the other hand have no such concerns.
The actual reality of the industrial relations club is that you can be as brutal as hell because its only a game to them.
Pressure is going to ramp up eventually. Expect the Packer press and their mates to be writing things like "Tsunami Relief Efforts Hampered by striking engineers".
Then of course the Minister for Qantas will roll in and make threateneing government noises.
The only safe argument you guys can make is...... safety and the need for adequate rest
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All this misinformation is starting to wear a bit thin with the members and management alike. It has always been a tactic of the undesireables to use places like this to spread there lies though. I for one WILL NOT be taking any action over the lame certification issue or the eba what ever the outcome of membership votes is.
More likely will be to see large groups of us taking relief under section 298 of the work place relations act and what affect will that have on the creditability of our membership? Something you Mexicans ought to have a little think about.
More likely will be to see large groups of us taking relief under section 298 of the work place relations act and what affect will that have on the creditability of our membership? Something you Mexicans ought to have a little think about.