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I think ASIC's a waste of time and money too ... despite full uniform and accompanied by other crew all with ASICs flapping, security checkers insist on checking inside navbags and inside each Jepp folder. Even had to remove my belt before stepping though a second time - while clutching trou in front of pax.
Sorry , what's an ASIC for again?
i just hope there is an exemption for ASIC holders! not likely
Sorry , what's an ASIC for again?
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This issue was brought up on the AOPA forum in March this year. I wrote to my local MP and the Liberal candidate - who sent back form responses. I also wrote to most of the papers but didn't get published at the time. I've also written to them again now that the matter is before the Senate.
One way to paint this is as the thin edge of the wedge - strike fear and uncertainty into Joe Public by hinting that it could next be heavy truck drivers and bus drivers, then finally private motorists who need security checks. We'll all have de-facto 'Australia Cards'
Nearly 2 decades ago Peter Garrett campaigned passionately against the introduction of the 'Australia Card'. Write to him and ask him if he still believes it to be an invasion of our civil liberties or has he sold out his principles to join the ALP
Write to Senator Allison and Campbell who spoke on this matter. Senator Campbell says that an aircraft 'of any size' can be an enhanced weapon. Ask him whether a stolen petrol tanker wired with explosive and detonated on George St Sydney would cause more or less damage than a Piper Warrior? Ask him how then he can label as 'ludicrous' the security checking of heavy vehicle drivers?
This issue was brought up on the AOPA forum in March this year. I wrote to my local MP and the Liberal candidate - who sent back form responses. I also wrote to most of the papers but didn't get published at the time. I've also written to them again now that the matter is before the Senate.
One way to paint this is as the thin edge of the wedge - strike fear and uncertainty into Joe Public by hinting that it could next be heavy truck drivers and bus drivers, then finally private motorists who need security checks. We'll all have de-facto 'Australia Cards'
Nearly 2 decades ago Peter Garrett campaigned passionately against the introduction of the 'Australia Card'. Write to him and ask him if he still believes it to be an invasion of our civil liberties or has he sold out his principles to join the ALP
Write to Senator Allison and Campbell who spoke on this matter. Senator Campbell says that an aircraft 'of any size' can be an enhanced weapon. Ask him whether a stolen petrol tanker wired with explosive and detonated on George St Sydney would cause more or less damage than a Piper Warrior? Ask him how then he can label as 'ludicrous' the security checking of heavy vehicle drivers?
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I SAY AGAIN... Professional pilots will have the check paid for by their company. It will just mean yet another form to sign. Some commercial pilots will have to pay for it themselves, then they will claim a tax deduction, just like their medical, charts, documents, sunglasses etc. PRIVATE PILOTS are the ones who have a problem here, so what is AOPA doing to help?
if all airmen fail to unite on something as serious as this, then it will only get worse! sure, some will be protected from it all by their employer, but for how long!, your employer might not continue to wear extra costs to help you keep your licence!
once again, the pilots cop all the flack and cost by a government that want to appear to be doing something without upsetting joe public.
can anyone post a copy of a form letter that othes can sign and post to all and sundry?
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ICTZ has a point and at least he’s tried to do something about it.
Here’s the problem as I see it as a series of points
Pilots are seen as a soft target by government generally. (Remember the almost complete lack of public support in 1989, learn the lesson).
Aviation is a soft media target. Look how any flying event gets far more media attention than an earth-bound one.
For example, look what happens when a 737 gets a flat tyre. Compare with a semi shedding a tyre on the freeway. Only one story makes the 6PM news and the front page, and it’s not the semi.
Professional pilots can claim the $200 security impost as a tax deduction, that’s if their airline doesn’t cough up for them.
PPLs can’t claim the charge as any kind of a deduction because they’re not generating an income from flying.
Government won’t care because someone who pays and flies for private reasons is obviously rich enough to pay the security impost. They’re not battling like a truck driver, and everyone drives a car so they must be safe, right?
However, Governments do eventually bend under weight of opinion. So the next thing I will write is a letter to Anderson to suggest the Ansett-cum-Security levy should be used to pay for my and oher PPL’s security clearances.
And perhaps if a few hundred of us write, they will start to get the message.
We can only try. I’d rather do something, and fail, than sit around like some of the other do-nothing posters here and whinge about what ICTZ has or has not achieved. Get off your collective bums, people and pen a letter to the pollies like ICTZ suggested!
If you keep doing what you’ve always done you’re going to get what you’ve always got.
i.e. Shafted.
So log off, and get writing. Now. Just do it.
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Here’s the problem as I see it as a series of points
Pilots are seen as a soft target by government generally. (Remember the almost complete lack of public support in 1989, learn the lesson).
Aviation is a soft media target. Look how any flying event gets far more media attention than an earth-bound one.
For example, look what happens when a 737 gets a flat tyre. Compare with a semi shedding a tyre on the freeway. Only one story makes the 6PM news and the front page, and it’s not the semi.
Professional pilots can claim the $200 security impost as a tax deduction, that’s if their airline doesn’t cough up for them.
PPLs can’t claim the charge as any kind of a deduction because they’re not generating an income from flying.
Government won’t care because someone who pays and flies for private reasons is obviously rich enough to pay the security impost. They’re not battling like a truck driver, and everyone drives a car so they must be safe, right?
However, Governments do eventually bend under weight of opinion. So the next thing I will write is a letter to Anderson to suggest the Ansett-cum-Security levy should be used to pay for my and oher PPL’s security clearances.
And perhaps if a few hundred of us write, they will start to get the message.
We can only try. I’d rather do something, and fail, than sit around like some of the other do-nothing posters here and whinge about what ICTZ has or has not achieved. Get off your collective bums, people and pen a letter to the pollies like ICTZ suggested!
If you keep doing what you’ve always done you’re going to get what you’ve always got.
i.e. Shafted.
So log off, and get writing. Now. Just do it.
VHCU
Of course you're right VH, and I think that we should write to our elected representatives as well, but why stop there?
We could do as you say and we might even get the pollies to change their minds, but we would have missed a great opportunity to display our willingness to sacrifice our petty differences for the general good. Make no mistake, if we don't make a stand now, then who will, and when?
Now, just how should we respond to this threat to our civil liberties, and to the sanity of our society? The ideal situation would be for the majority of pilots to come out publicly against this, and other utterly insane security measures. If we could get other aviation participants to join in too, so much the better. Engineers, ATC, Operators, (even CASA!), the more the merrier.
The public see us as a very conservative group who act only when our interests are at stake. If we took a stand on this, they will realise that pilots, whom they generally trust, have acted uncharacteristically because they do not subscribe to the current madness. This would convince many people that the direction we are taking is leading to a degradation of our "civilisation". There are already a large number of civilised people who understand this, so we won't be alone, and we would be in very good company. Nearly all the world's best thinkers are aware of the irrational actions of our leaders in this crisis.
But we have to set aside our differences first. In a way, this is a great thing to happen, if it acts as the catalyst for public unity and against public apathy. We could emerge from this united and strong, or divided and weak. In fact, it may just be in the terrorists best interests too if we, the general public, were strengthened. Our weakness has got us where we are now.
Have you guys seen the reaction of the thousands of Ukranians who have stood outside in the snow for days protesting against the recent election when their High Court ruled the election invalid? The weather isn't nearly so bad outside in Oz.
If only we could come together like that we would succeed. The question is how bad does it have to get before we are prepared to act?
Also, the reason why the general public don't give a damn about the well-being of pilots is because we generally don't give a damn about theirs.
How many individual pilots, pilot's unions, associations, or aviation industry groups took it upon themselves to comment on the stupidity of pax having their nail clippers confiscated, or reinforcing cockpit doors? The inference is that we mistrust our pax, the people we rely on for our livelihood, or at the very least, hold them in contempt because of the misdeeds of an infinitely small group who have a need to make a political point.
We need to act less out of self-interest and more out of general interest if we really want others to support us when we need it.
It's the old story, united we stand, divided we fall, and at the moment we're all falling, not just pilots. To take it one step further, how many citizens recognized the dangerous precedent of allowing our govt to turn their backs on our fellow citizens accused of terrorist activities in Iraq? "Innocent until proven guilty" is there for a bloody good reason, so mass hysteria doesn't result in a Star Chamber mentality. It is there not just to protect good people like you and I, but people we think are bad too. This is because we could be wrong, and history has shown that we often are when we let emotion rule our thinking. In fact, the meaning behind civilisation implies that we apply science, our higher instincts, and reason to the conduct and organisation of our society, instead of reverting to fear, violence, and other basic instincts.
Didn't we all take up flying because we recognised it as a higher form of self-expression, a greater opportunity to be great?
Here's our opportunity.
Life's a bitch, then you fly!
We could do as you say and we might even get the pollies to change their minds, but we would have missed a great opportunity to display our willingness to sacrifice our petty differences for the general good. Make no mistake, if we don't make a stand now, then who will, and when?
Now, just how should we respond to this threat to our civil liberties, and to the sanity of our society? The ideal situation would be for the majority of pilots to come out publicly against this, and other utterly insane security measures. If we could get other aviation participants to join in too, so much the better. Engineers, ATC, Operators, (even CASA!), the more the merrier.
The public see us as a very conservative group who act only when our interests are at stake. If we took a stand on this, they will realise that pilots, whom they generally trust, have acted uncharacteristically because they do not subscribe to the current madness. This would convince many people that the direction we are taking is leading to a degradation of our "civilisation". There are already a large number of civilised people who understand this, so we won't be alone, and we would be in very good company. Nearly all the world's best thinkers are aware of the irrational actions of our leaders in this crisis.
But we have to set aside our differences first. In a way, this is a great thing to happen, if it acts as the catalyst for public unity and against public apathy. We could emerge from this united and strong, or divided and weak. In fact, it may just be in the terrorists best interests too if we, the general public, were strengthened. Our weakness has got us where we are now.
Have you guys seen the reaction of the thousands of Ukranians who have stood outside in the snow for days protesting against the recent election when their High Court ruled the election invalid? The weather isn't nearly so bad outside in Oz.
If only we could come together like that we would succeed. The question is how bad does it have to get before we are prepared to act?
Also, the reason why the general public don't give a damn about the well-being of pilots is because we generally don't give a damn about theirs.
How many individual pilots, pilot's unions, associations, or aviation industry groups took it upon themselves to comment on the stupidity of pax having their nail clippers confiscated, or reinforcing cockpit doors? The inference is that we mistrust our pax, the people we rely on for our livelihood, or at the very least, hold them in contempt because of the misdeeds of an infinitely small group who have a need to make a political point.
We need to act less out of self-interest and more out of general interest if we really want others to support us when we need it.
It's the old story, united we stand, divided we fall, and at the moment we're all falling, not just pilots. To take it one step further, how many citizens recognized the dangerous precedent of allowing our govt to turn their backs on our fellow citizens accused of terrorist activities in Iraq? "Innocent until proven guilty" is there for a bloody good reason, so mass hysteria doesn't result in a Star Chamber mentality. It is there not just to protect good people like you and I, but people we think are bad too. This is because we could be wrong, and history has shown that we often are when we let emotion rule our thinking. In fact, the meaning behind civilisation implies that we apply science, our higher instincts, and reason to the conduct and organisation of our society, instead of reverting to fear, violence, and other basic instincts.
Didn't we all take up flying because we recognised it as a higher form of self-expression, a greater opportunity to be great?
Here's our opportunity.
Life's a bitch, then you fly!
Yep - Creampuff is right. This was listed for House of Reps last Thursday but ran out of time so likely to be today or later this week.
Everybody give your Federal Member a ring right now - I did.
Very interested in the analogy of the delivery truck packed full of boom boom stuff. Suggested if they insist on this crap that as the measure is there to "protect" the whole community, even if misguided, then whole community pays!
Everybody give your Federal Member a ring right now - I did.
Very interested in the analogy of the delivery truck packed full of boom boom stuff. Suggested if they insist on this crap that as the measure is there to "protect" the whole community, even if misguided, then whole community pays!
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Professional pilots will have the check paid for by their company.
The company I work for has said that as this is a reissue of a Licence that I hold, it is not in the same category as an ASIC, which I hand back to the company if I leave, or an instrument renewal, which is a proficiency check required by my employment, and written in to the award.
It will not be covered by my company. I and my 200+ colleagues at my particular company will be paying. Similar situation at most major employers at Darwin.
You may be surprised to know that we lucky professionals have to pay for lots of things off our own bats.... documents, charts, medicals, licences....
Tax deductible maybe, but even for a top income earner an expense of $200 is a real cost of >$100.
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Wow Manwell...impressed with your last post...but for those of us based overseas can someone post the email addresses of suitable people to write too...I think Ferguson's was a few pages back but who else?
EDIT: I got Fergusons email off the other related thread and it was wrong...still have a copy of the ring stinger email if anyone has a correct email addy.
EDIT: I got Fergusons email off the other related thread and it was wrong...still have a copy of the ring stinger email if anyone has a correct email addy.
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Exactly, why not check everyone then.... even the garbage collector. He might plant a bomb in parliament house or at the airport.
Let me guess, they are thinking one of us is gonna crash a B747 into Canberra.
Even, if they check them I dont think there is anyway one could be turned back if he is a suicidal maniac.
They've gone paranoid. But this is what I really think behind this.
Profits, profits, profits.............. at our expense
Who voted for the coalition again ?
DeltaSix
Let me guess, they are thinking one of us is gonna crash a B747 into Canberra.
Even, if they check them I dont think there is anyway one could be turned back if he is a suicidal maniac.
They've gone paranoid. But this is what I really think behind this.
Profits, profits, profits.............. at our expense
Who voted for the coalition again ?
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DISGUSTING
This bloody government nonesense has to stop.
I only read about it in The Australian on Friday, the $200 security check is to become law.
If it wasn't the coalition it would be labour or someone else.
I don't care if they want to check me out, I'm ex-RAAF (cleared to secret), ex-Dept of Aviation, got a blue card, surf lifesaver, family man etc. etc. blah blah..... but for F....k's sake WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!! And every 2 years. Bureacracy gone mad.
I'm not really a terrorist but I might start terrorising some of the politicians and bureaucrats in Canberra.
Aviation is becoming a cash cow and it has to stop.
OK, I'm going to get on the phone to my local member, Anderson's office in Canberra and electorate, DOTARS the man is Andrew Tongue First Asst Secretary, and Andy Turner, Office of Transport Security.
I URGE YOU ALL WITH AN INTEREST TO GET GOING AND OBJECT IN THE STRONGEST TERMS DIRECTLY TO THESE PEOPLE.
WITHOUT ACTION ON OUR PART THEY WILL KEEP SCREWING US.
I only read about it in The Australian on Friday, the $200 security check is to become law.
If it wasn't the coalition it would be labour or someone else.
I don't care if they want to check me out, I'm ex-RAAF (cleared to secret), ex-Dept of Aviation, got a blue card, surf lifesaver, family man etc. etc. blah blah..... but for F....k's sake WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!! And every 2 years. Bureacracy gone mad.
I'm not really a terrorist but I might start terrorising some of the politicians and bureaucrats in Canberra.
Aviation is becoming a cash cow and it has to stop.
OK, I'm going to get on the phone to my local member, Anderson's office in Canberra and electorate, DOTARS the man is Andrew Tongue First Asst Secretary, and Andy Turner, Office of Transport Security.
I URGE YOU ALL WITH AN INTEREST TO GET GOING AND OBJECT IN THE STRONGEST TERMS DIRECTLY TO THESE PEOPLE.
WITHOUT ACTION ON OUR PART THEY WILL KEEP SCREWING US.
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And What IF ???
I certinaly agree that we must all make a call or send an email. I have done mine,
WHAT ABOUT YOU, if not then get right to it.
It can't hurt but it may help.
One of my concerns, is what will become of some poor sod who fails the check, or is held up while extra checks are made.
It does happen, not to me but I have seen a person held from reciving a security clearance for over five months. he got it in the end, so what was the hold up. This was with the DoD so he just pulled a few guard duties while waiting, but thats not an option in the aviation sector.
Who is going to pay the wages of the poor sod while he can't fly, and what if its a negative, because you have some left wing looney in the family, on the wifes side of course. What happens to you career, what happens to your life.
I hope the dolts in DOTARS have considered this, but I wont hold my breath.
As yet my company has not advised us if they will be paying the $200, I personal doubt thay would. As yet I have not heard of one comany that is going to pay for its staff.
Send a FAX/EMAIL/or PHONE NOW!!!!!!
WHAT ABOUT YOU, if not then get right to it.
It can't hurt but it may help.
One of my concerns, is what will become of some poor sod who fails the check, or is held up while extra checks are made.
It does happen, not to me but I have seen a person held from reciving a security clearance for over five months. he got it in the end, so what was the hold up. This was with the DoD so he just pulled a few guard duties while waiting, but thats not an option in the aviation sector.
Who is going to pay the wages of the poor sod while he can't fly, and what if its a negative, because you have some left wing looney in the family, on the wifes side of course. What happens to you career, what happens to your life.
I hope the dolts in DOTARS have considered this, but I wont hold my breath.
As yet my company has not advised us if they will be paying the $200, I personal doubt thay would. As yet I have not heard of one comany that is going to pay for its staff.
Send a FAX/EMAIL/or PHONE NOW!!!!!!
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First it was their insistance (with no procedures in place) that overseas licence holders had to have verification with licence issuer, which killed the oversas flying tourist market.
That seems to be gettiing sorted now - funny thing is, these overseas certificate of validation holders are NOT subject to any security checks other than licence, logbook, medical and overseas verification. Off they can go in the Warrior to cause as much terror as they like.
Now they have killed off the overseas PPL market, we used to be able to do them in 4-5 weeks. Now it takes two months to get a student pilot licence, and about three weeks to get a medical certificate after the medical. So unless these people have at least three months to spare, millions of export dollars are gone.
Meanwhile as a CFI people are wandering in and expecting me to give up half an hour of my time to sign all the forms, check the documents etc. I don't mind for our own students but the govt seems to expect us CFIs to do this for all and sundry in our own time for free. Perhaps some of the fee could come back to those of us who can't earn dollars flying because we are too busy doing their work for them.
And presumably once the student has done all these checks and got their student licence for free, they then have to pay for it all to be done again? Doesn't make sense to me.
Last time I saw Peter Garrett I was in the mosh pit, wonder if he remembers me? Reckon he's a sell out now anyway, sang songs like "US forces" in the good old days, now is just another pollie toeing the party line.
That seems to be gettiing sorted now - funny thing is, these overseas certificate of validation holders are NOT subject to any security checks other than licence, logbook, medical and overseas verification. Off they can go in the Warrior to cause as much terror as they like.
Now they have killed off the overseas PPL market, we used to be able to do them in 4-5 weeks. Now it takes two months to get a student pilot licence, and about three weeks to get a medical certificate after the medical. So unless these people have at least three months to spare, millions of export dollars are gone.
Meanwhile as a CFI people are wandering in and expecting me to give up half an hour of my time to sign all the forms, check the documents etc. I don't mind for our own students but the govt seems to expect us CFIs to do this for all and sundry in our own time for free. Perhaps some of the fee could come back to those of us who can't earn dollars flying because we are too busy doing their work for them.
And presumably once the student has done all these checks and got their student licence for free, they then have to pay for it all to be done again? Doesn't make sense to me.
Last time I saw Peter Garrett I was in the mosh pit, wonder if he remembers me? Reckon he's a sell out now anyway, sang songs like "US forces" in the good old days, now is just another pollie toeing the party line.
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Don't forget your state Senators too - they're the ones who agreed to this stinking pile of cr@p
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/senator...s/si-state.htm
Nice sample lettre on AGACF too..
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/senator...s/si-state.htm
Nice sample lettre on AGACF too..
This is my letter to Senator Campbell - feel free to steal part or all of it
Dear Senator Campbell,
I am writing to you regarding the 'Aviation Security Amendment Bill 2004' that was recently read in the Senate. As a private pilot I wish to complain about the unnecessary fees proposed for all pilots throughout Australia and the erosion of our civil liberties.As well as being a costly and resource intensive operation, this legislation will not identify all security threats. In the terrible events of 11th September 2001 it was not a licensed pilot who carried out the terrorist acts, but a student with very little training. In fact, at the time the media made much of the fact that a complete novice could learn to crash a plane using Microsoft Flight Simulator (will purchasers of this software also be screened?) .
This section of the bill will do little to enhance the security of Australia but will place another burden on an industry that is already struggling under over-regulation and rising costs. As a private pilot I can not claim the cost of this security check (which I am told is $150 more than an ASIC) as an expense, and contrary to public opinion - most private pilots are not rich millionaires like the Dick Smiths and Sir Richard Bransons of the world. Many small operators have already informed their pilots that they will not meet the cost - the pilots will have to pay it themselves. You say that you have spent a lot of time in the general aviation sector, so you would be aware that GA pilots are poorly paid in comparison to their airline counterparts, in fact some earn less than the people who refuel their aircraft. About the only people who won't be adversely affect are the airline pilots of QANTAS, Virgin Blue etc.
The time taken to perform this security check will also adversely affect GA and the training industry. I have spoken to an instructor who had a student wait 3 months for their licence from CASA. What delays will we see when this legislation takes effect !?! This causes delays in their flying training as they cannot proceed until they receive their licence. In comparison, aviation training in New Zealand is booming.
Furthermore, the screening of every pilot raises the question of where does it end? Should drivers of heavy vehicles also be screening? Bus drivers? Private motorsists On reading Hansards I see this was labelled as "ludicrous", however I ask you - what would be the most dangerous? The small Cessna 152s and 172s that I fly or a stolen petrol tanker wired with explosive and driven into the centre of Sydney? Overseas experience has shown that the terrorists 'weapon of choice' is a car, truck or small van packed with explosive - yet the users of these vehicles are not being screened. In Senate you stated that "an aeroplane of virtually any size can be turned into an enhanced weapon.". If this is correct - why are glider pilots and ultralight pilots not being screened? Advances in ultralight design have progressed to the stage that some are as big as a Cessna 152 and being of streamlined fibreglass design can fly faster than this aircraft.
I ask that the government reconsider this section of the bill to prevent the unneccesary burden it would place on the general aviation sector. Whilst I have nothing to fear from a security check (having infact already undergone one when applying for a position with defence forces), pilots are being unfairly targetted - I do not like being considered a potential terrorist simply because of my hobby. In the United States of America - the country that suffered an attack by terrorists in hijacked aircraft - they have no intention of screening every pilot - so why does Australia?
I am writing to you regarding the 'Aviation Security Amendment Bill 2004' that was recently read in the Senate. As a private pilot I wish to complain about the unnecessary fees proposed for all pilots throughout Australia and the erosion of our civil liberties.As well as being a costly and resource intensive operation, this legislation will not identify all security threats. In the terrible events of 11th September 2001 it was not a licensed pilot who carried out the terrorist acts, but a student with very little training. In fact, at the time the media made much of the fact that a complete novice could learn to crash a plane using Microsoft Flight Simulator (will purchasers of this software also be screened?) .
This section of the bill will do little to enhance the security of Australia but will place another burden on an industry that is already struggling under over-regulation and rising costs. As a private pilot I can not claim the cost of this security check (which I am told is $150 more than an ASIC) as an expense, and contrary to public opinion - most private pilots are not rich millionaires like the Dick Smiths and Sir Richard Bransons of the world. Many small operators have already informed their pilots that they will not meet the cost - the pilots will have to pay it themselves. You say that you have spent a lot of time in the general aviation sector, so you would be aware that GA pilots are poorly paid in comparison to their airline counterparts, in fact some earn less than the people who refuel their aircraft. About the only people who won't be adversely affect are the airline pilots of QANTAS, Virgin Blue etc.
The time taken to perform this security check will also adversely affect GA and the training industry. I have spoken to an instructor who had a student wait 3 months for their licence from CASA. What delays will we see when this legislation takes effect !?! This causes delays in their flying training as they cannot proceed until they receive their licence. In comparison, aviation training in New Zealand is booming.
Furthermore, the screening of every pilot raises the question of where does it end? Should drivers of heavy vehicles also be screening? Bus drivers? Private motorsists On reading Hansards I see this was labelled as "ludicrous", however I ask you - what would be the most dangerous? The small Cessna 152s and 172s that I fly or a stolen petrol tanker wired with explosive and driven into the centre of Sydney? Overseas experience has shown that the terrorists 'weapon of choice' is a car, truck or small van packed with explosive - yet the users of these vehicles are not being screened. In Senate you stated that "an aeroplane of virtually any size can be turned into an enhanced weapon.". If this is correct - why are glider pilots and ultralight pilots not being screened? Advances in ultralight design have progressed to the stage that some are as big as a Cessna 152 and being of streamlined fibreglass design can fly faster than this aircraft.
I ask that the government reconsider this section of the bill to prevent the unneccesary burden it would place on the general aviation sector. Whilst I have nothing to fear from a security check (having infact already undergone one when applying for a position with defence forces), pilots are being unfairly targetted - I do not like being considered a potential terrorist simply because of my hobby. In the United States of America - the country that suffered an attack by terrorists in hijacked aircraft - they have no intention of screening every pilot - so why does Australia?
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Thanks Biggles, I'll write a PROTEST letter to this guy and give him a piece of my mind.
Also, the email addresses are also good Uncommon Sense.
The "What If " is what gets me. It is a real possibility.
C'mon guys, they can break us and screw us one by one but if we bond together it will be harder for them and hopefully get the message accross to these pollies.
We have to protect our industry from being screwed by them.
Aviation is already one of the toughest industry to be in without these people putting extra burden on us. As CFI has said, they have already killed a large part of the overseas PPL market and therefore the local schools are suffering for it. Let's not let them get through and kill us as well.
Obiwan, that's a good letter..... I might use some of it
DeltaSix
Also, the email addresses are also good Uncommon Sense.
The "What If " is what gets me. It is a real possibility.
C'mon guys, they can break us and screw us one by one but if we bond together it will be harder for them and hopefully get the message accross to these pollies.
We have to protect our industry from being screwed by them.
Aviation is already one of the toughest industry to be in without these people putting extra burden on us. As CFI has said, they have already killed a large part of the overseas PPL market and therefore the local schools are suffering for it. Let's not let them get through and kill us as well.
Obiwan, that's a good letter..... I might use some of it
DeltaSix
We're in
We have organised every Aero Club in and around John Anderson's electorate (Gwydir) to send Emails from every member; that's Scone, Mudgee, Gunnedah, Narrabri, Moree, Wee Waa and Walget.
Am organising a petition to be signed by every pilot in Gwydir and presented to Anderson and Marn Fergsn, first name on the petition: Col Pay.
Have contacts in Tamworth getting involved.
Give it our best shot
Am organising a petition to be signed by every pilot in Gwydir and presented to Anderson and Marn Fergsn, first name on the petition: Col Pay.
Have contacts in Tamworth getting involved.
Give it our best shot