Virgin plane in emergency landing
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Virgin plane in emergency landing
December 2, 2004 - 12:23PM
A Virgin Blue plane made an emergency landing at Sydney Airport today after a tyre burst on take off from Brisbane.
Airport officials today said none of the 142 passengers on flight DJ204 were endangered as a result of the incident.
The plane landed in Sydney "without incident" about 7.45am (AEDT), a Sydney Airports Corporation spokeswoman said.
Passengers were bussed from the runway to the airport terminal.
Mechanics were still inspecting the aircraft late this morning to find the cause.
Virgin Blue spokeswoman Amanda Bolger said tyre burst on take off, something that happened from time to time.
"They landed in Sydney ... and then got the aircraft towed (from where it stopped) so it could have engineering inspection," she said.
Ms Bolger said aircraft were designed to cope with landing with one flat tyre.
"It's a standard procedure for pilots. They go through their checklist, land and then hand it over to engineers for an inspection," she said.
"One tyre blown is not a major issue."
My Bold
A Virgin Blue plane made an emergency landing at Sydney Airport today after a tyre burst on take off from Brisbane.
Airport officials today said none of the 142 passengers on flight DJ204 were endangered as a result of the incident.
The plane landed in Sydney "without incident" about 7.45am (AEDT), a Sydney Airports Corporation spokeswoman said.
Passengers were bussed from the runway to the airport terminal.
Mechanics were still inspecting the aircraft late this morning to find the cause.
Virgin Blue spokeswoman Amanda Bolger said tyre burst on take off, something that happened from time to time.
"They landed in Sydney ... and then got the aircraft towed (from where it stopped) so it could have engineering inspection," she said.
Ms Bolger said aircraft were designed to cope with landing with one flat tyre.
"It's a standard procedure for pilots. They go through their checklist, land and then hand it over to engineers for an inspection," she said.
"One tyre blown is not a major issue."
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Sounds like a job well done.
I remember some years ago both QF and AN 737-300/400's were having an inordinate number of tyre blowouts.
It turned out after investigation that the number of times tyres were re-treaded was reduced dramatically.
Hopefully the media will be able to contain themselves on this occasion!
I remember some years ago both QF and AN 737-300/400's were having an inordinate number of tyre blowouts.
It turned out after investigation that the number of times tyres were re-treaded was reduced dramatically.
Hopefully the media will be able to contain themselves on this occasion!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
"It's a standard procedure for pilots. They go through their checklist, land and then hand it over to engineers for an inspection," she said.
One tyre blown is not a major issue
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There is guidance in the Flight Crew Training Manual, a document available to crews in flight at VB Im told.
Ms. Bolger does a wonderful job at describing otherwise technical matters in terms that a newspaper and Joe Public can digest. Hence her position in PR.
I suppose you would give a much more accurate ( read anal and boring to the public ) description of todays event?
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There is guidance in the Flight Crew Training Manual, a document available to crews in flight at VB Im told.
Ms. Bolger does a wonderful job at describing otherwise technical matters in terms that a newspaper and Joe Public can digest. Hence her position in PR.
I suppose you would give a much more accurate ( read anal and boring to the public ) description of todays event?
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From the SMH:
Hahahaaaa......... What's the point of that. It's not an airbus. Aircraft were designed to land with all the tyres inflated ever since Pontius was a fat bastard and don't you go saying otherwise, Miss Hugnkiss.
Buzzy your use of the word "wonderful" makes me feel all warm and gooey.
She says aircraft are designed to land with a flat tyre.
Buzzy your use of the word "wonderful" makes me feel all warm and gooey.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Okay, here's MY attempt, Mr Buzzy.
VIRGIN PILOTS SURVIVE BLOW JOB
Two Virgin Blue pilots wrested their high speed tube from a fate possibly worth than Death, when they discovered one of the six rubbers that protect them from getting their @sses grazed on the asphalt, had blown.
It is believed this is the first time Virgin's tyres have been blown in Brisbane.
"One tyre blown is not a major issue.", said Kaptin M, "but when the entire aircraft demands it, it's a BIG job!"
"Fortunately pilots are trained for things like blown tires, engine failures, birds through the windscreen, inflight fires, and explosive decompressions. It's a standard procedure for pilots. They go through their checklist, land and then hand it over to engineers for an inspection." he said.
VIRGIN PILOTS SURVIVE BLOW JOB
Two Virgin Blue pilots wrested their high speed tube from a fate possibly worth than Death, when they discovered one of the six rubbers that protect them from getting their @sses grazed on the asphalt, had blown.
It is believed this is the first time Virgin's tyres have been blown in Brisbane.
"One tyre blown is not a major issue.", said Kaptin M, "but when the entire aircraft demands it, it's a BIG job!"
"Fortunately pilots are trained for things like blown tires, engine failures, birds through the windscreen, inflight fires, and explosive decompressions. It's a standard procedure for pilots. They go through their checklist, land and then hand it over to engineers for an inspection." he said.
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Without necessarily relating to this specific accident, can somebody answer: does a B737-800 pilot know (through a systems indication) if a tyre has burst, during takeoff, if the information doesn't get provided by a third party?
And what about a B767-300?
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And what about a B767-300?
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Sorry if I sound like a dunce, but this thread could be put to good use.
I keeping reading that we have bad reporters, PR people that just say anything they see fit.
We all know this, and it is becoming a waste of time.
Why don’t we use this site as a point of discussion on the incident?
I’m sure it has happened before, and there may be a few good points or lessons to be taken from an incident like this one.
I keeping reading that we have bad reporters, PR people that just say anything they see fit.
We all know this, and it is becoming a waste of time.
Why don’t we use this site as a point of discussion on the incident?
I’m sure it has happened before, and there may be a few good points or lessons to be taken from an incident like this one.
Corny, you said:
" Aircraft were designed to land with all the tyres inflated ever since Pontius was a fat bastard and don't you go saying otherwise, Miss Hugnkiss."
I reckon thats not a bad translation of the technical situation by Miss Huggnkiss.
The technical situation is something like there is a design safety factor on tyre load of at least two. Sure the other tyre will have been overstressed and scrapped, maybe the wheels as well. I'm pretty sure the axle and car (not on a 737?) are designed to handle this situation without deformation. Its not exactly an unknown or unusual hazard.
Could a real engineer please either contradict or elucidate further?
" Aircraft were designed to land with all the tyres inflated ever since Pontius was a fat bastard and don't you go saying otherwise, Miss Hugnkiss."
I reckon thats not a bad translation of the technical situation by Miss Huggnkiss.
The technical situation is something like there is a design safety factor on tyre load of at least two. Sure the other tyre will have been overstressed and scrapped, maybe the wheels as well. I'm pretty sure the axle and car (not on a 737?) are designed to handle this situation without deformation. Its not exactly an unknown or unusual hazard.
Could a real engineer please either contradict or elucidate further?
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I'm pretty sure the axle and car
Did you mean "truck"???
Leave the aviation stuff to the aviators, Sunfish........
PS: Mr Buzzy please stick with "Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, etc". Much more obnoxious and amusing.
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Sunfish: Both wheels removed and Quarantined. Inspect gear for damage, inspect rest of plane for skid marks and dents. Whether it be a nose or main, there's usually dents in something if it's come apart. If all looks good, launch it!
According to Chris Brady's excellent 737 Information Site, the 737-NG models have a pin fitted to the undercarriage housing which detects loose tread on the maingear tyres at gear retraction and presumably give an indication to the flight crew.
The pin is supposed to cause the gear to extend again and can only be reset on the ground by engineering staff.
Presumably a Ppruner with access to VB engineering may be able to shed further light on how the crew became aware of the problem.
Alert ATCO in the tower may also have noticed something abnormal, got the binocs out and advised said crew. Would be a pretty fine observation though, especially at busy times.
The pin is supposed to cause the gear to extend again and can only be reset on the ground by engineering staff.
Presumably a Ppruner with access to VB engineering may be able to shed further light on how the crew became aware of the problem.
Alert ATCO in the tower may also have noticed something abnormal, got the binocs out and advised said crew. Would be a pretty fine observation though, especially at busy times.
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criticalmass, I suspect the crew weren't aware of the problem until well into cruise. After the tyre was found/noticed, up to five aircraft were informed by ATC of the possibility. It wasn't until the remants were identified as belonging to a b737-800 that this crew were sure. Before that at least one other aircraft (b767) had requested emergency services on standby.
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I heard that a pilot noticed the rubber when taking off from BNE, Tower spotted it through binoculars and safety officer removed the bits within ten minutes and said it was from a big aircraft. Six aircraft were advised through ATC before engineers recognised it as a -800 main wheel tread. That left two, one on its way to MEL and VB holding en-route to SYD.
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On the 737NG there is a fitting in the entrance to each main wheel well that, when disturbed by a shredded tyre trying to pass, will shut off retract hydraulic pressure to that gear (only), and that gear will free fall back to the extended position.
And there it will remain until the fitting is replaced on the ground.
Its purpose is to protect all the componentary within the main wheel well area.
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And there it will remain until the fitting is replaced on the ground.
Its purpose is to protect all the componentary within the main wheel well area.
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And in other news today, "firemen rescue cat stuck up in tree"
YAWN
Dont the press have something other than
a blown tire to report.
Dont get me wrong Im sure you pilot types love chewing over this one in the the sim but really wouldnt the SLF be more concerned if they had have run out of cheese and crackers.
YAWN
Dont the press have something other than
a blown tire to report.
Dont get me wrong Im sure you pilot types love chewing over this one in the the sim but really wouldnt the SLF be more concerned if they had have run out of cheese and crackers.