ACA & Ansett!
ACA & Ansett!
Amos2,
For those of us O/S would you ( Or anyone else) mind putting down a brief outline.
Kind Regards,
Oz2
For those of us O/S would you ( Or anyone else) mind putting down a brief outline.
Kind Regards,
Oz2
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The gist of it was that the ex Ansett employees are mightily peeved that the Ansett "tax" didn't pay them all their award entitlements. All they got was the standard redundancy provisions.
This obviously falls way short of what someone with many years of service would have got had they been made redundant under normal conditions.
Joanne Turner, an ex F/A is beating the drum to try and get John Anderson to loosen the purse strings on the left over dough and pay up. From his tone in the interview I would say there is no chance of that . The election is over .
Worth a shot though.
This obviously falls way short of what someone with many years of service would have got had they been made redundant under normal conditions.
Joanne Turner, an ex F/A is beating the drum to try and get John Anderson to loosen the purse strings on the left over dough and pay up. From his tone in the interview I would say there is no chance of that . The election is over .
Worth a shot though.
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Dexter,
Your compassion and empathy are truly magnanimous. It is perhaps because of general empathy like yours that John Anderson sees no public benefit in giving Ansett staff their rightful entitlements.
No doubt you, like just about every other pilot not in Ansett benefitted from the loss of our careers, so you see, to show further indifference is particularly insulting. Perhaps, in the absence of anything else you could pull your head in.
Your compassion and empathy are truly magnanimous. It is perhaps because of general empathy like yours that John Anderson sees no public benefit in giving Ansett staff their rightful entitlements.
No doubt you, like just about every other pilot not in Ansett benefitted from the loss of our careers, so you see, to show further indifference is particularly insulting. Perhaps, in the absence of anything else you could pull your head in.
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what a lot of bollixs longjohn. no other employees gets specail consideraton if there company gos titsup.
so you rekon evry other pilot shud pay in to a speciel fund for youse to i surpose.
like lotsa others i read about the ansett pilot warren (not his real name) who had a million dollar worth of properties an was crying because he coudnt pay his tax. poor prick.
lotsa people loose there jobs these days. its a part a life.
stop tryin to bludge off of others.
so you rekon evry other pilot shud pay in to a speciel fund for youse to i surpose.
like lotsa others i read about the ansett pilot warren (not his real name) who had a million dollar worth of properties an was crying because he coudnt pay his tax. poor prick.
lotsa people loose there jobs these days. its a part a life.
stop tryin to bludge off of others.
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AN get over it!
Ex AN staff get over it!!! you are not the only ones to have been laid off but are quite typically the biggest to complain! You guys complained like hell when AN was up and running and now you complain like hell when it collapses?? we have all been laid off but are not as fortunate as you to have it happen on an election year! Get over it you are boring us..
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Do I detect a bit of the old "possum-stirring", amos2?
Dexter - the quality of your reply appears to match the abysmal quality of your grammar and spelling; if you have nothing but invective to offer may I request that you stay silent? Your vitriol and abuse add nothing to the discussion, on a subject of which you, obviously, have no understanding whatever.
TheNightOwl.
Dexter - the quality of your reply appears to match the abysmal quality of your grammar and spelling; if you have nothing but invective to offer may I request that you stay silent? Your vitriol and abuse add nothing to the discussion, on a subject of which you, obviously, have no understanding whatever.
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It is very unfortunate what happened, but that is life. Most of us (including me) have lost jobs and are owed money that will never be repaid.
The hardest thing for most of these people to come to terms with is that they had pay and conditions that were far beyond their education , training and experience. It would be interesting to find out how many have been able to achieve matching salaries etc outside of ANsett; not many I dare suggest.
At then end of the day if losing your job is the worst thing to happen to you then you are very lucky. If your "job" was also your identity and image then GET A LIFE!!
The levy should NEVER have been collected in the first place. It is OBSCENE to expect an average wage earner/traveller to cough up money for people who in many instances were earning six figure salaries for an extended period. If the workers were too stupid to put some away for a rainy day; or maintained a lifestyle beyond what they could afford then welcome or to reality-it bites!!
Let go and get on with it
The hardest thing for most of these people to come to terms with is that they had pay and conditions that were far beyond their education , training and experience. It would be interesting to find out how many have been able to achieve matching salaries etc outside of ANsett; not many I dare suggest.
At then end of the day if losing your job is the worst thing to happen to you then you are very lucky. If your "job" was also your identity and image then GET A LIFE!!
The levy should NEVER have been collected in the first place. It is OBSCENE to expect an average wage earner/traveller to cough up money for people who in many instances were earning six figure salaries for an extended period. If the workers were too stupid to put some away for a rainy day; or maintained a lifestyle beyond what they could afford then welcome or to reality-it bites!!
Let go and get on with it
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I must admit even though I am ex Ansett and miss the company alot I am over all this redundancy stuff. I'm still owed quite a bit but if I never hear from the two Marks again I wouldn't be upset.
It always amazed me the way the pre dispute pilots complained and in some ways now I can understand it but as I always say if you can't let time heal your wounds you are going to lead a fairly miserable life.
It would be nice to see another 20K in the bank account but after four years there is no point holding my breath.
I do still miss the airbus though but again surprised myself last week by knocking back a job flying one.
Time moves on
It always amazed me the way the pre dispute pilots complained and in some ways now I can understand it but as I always say if you can't let time heal your wounds you are going to lead a fairly miserable life.
It would be nice to see another 20K in the bank account but after four years there is no point holding my breath.
I do still miss the airbus though but again surprised myself last week by knocking back a job flying one.
Time moves on
Bonvul,
Thanks for the insight - the dissapointment has heeled over now and dont give a lot of thought to the past. Very happy how it has all panned out, mind you wouldn't like to do it all again. I do however wish those more desperate were able to receive more of the money collected ON THEIR BEHALF !! To me, the levy paying public have really been done over here, not just the ex AN'ers.
Dexter, you must truly be a misereble soul. Don't tell me........ failed the Ansett interview? I'm betting a certain bearded english chap is your secret hero - for all his services to Australian aviation.
Thanks for the insight - the dissapointment has heeled over now and dont give a lot of thought to the past. Very happy how it has all panned out, mind you wouldn't like to do it all again. I do however wish those more desperate were able to receive more of the money collected ON THEIR BEHALF !! To me, the levy paying public have really been done over here, not just the ex AN'ers.
Dexter, you must truly be a misereble soul. Don't tell me........ failed the Ansett interview? I'm betting a certain bearded english chap is your secret hero - for all his services to Australian aviation.
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The bottom line is that the goverment only ever agreed to pay the ansett staff the normal redundancy payout, because at that time they were going to get virtually nothing.
That the levy raised far exceeded that is irrelevant.
I for one was mightly pissed off that my money was being used to pay Ansett workers their entitlements, they were not a govement organisation and were not entitled to goverment funds.
That they in fact got private funds to pay them really stuck in my craw.
What was previously said by Dexter is quite correct and the excess raised should be repaid to the people who paid it, failing that it should at the very least be used to offset some of the airport taxes we now pay.
That the levy raised far exceeded that is irrelevant.
I for one was mightly pissed off that my money was being used to pay Ansett workers their entitlements, they were not a govement organisation and were not entitled to goverment funds.
That they in fact got private funds to pay them really stuck in my craw.
What was previously said by Dexter is quite correct and the excess raised should be repaid to the people who paid it, failing that it should at the very least be used to offset some of the airport taxes we now pay.
Evertonian
Okay, here goes...
SEESA = Govt funds paid to AN staff - Good
AN Tax = Insurance to cover Govt losses for SEESA - Bad (for punters)
70% paid out = Pretty much all we'd get - Good (better than sweet FA)
Govt profit = Monies collected above & beyond SEESA - Bad (SEESA was well covered & tax should've been lifted earlier)
The excess collected as AN Tax should not be going to employees of AN. (Me) The Govt ensured our initial redundancy payments (SEESA) to hide the fact that there was woefully inadequate protection for workers in the event of redundancies. Also, it highlights how crooks like Murdoch can get away with anything.
My perfect result = Govt covers all loopholes in redundancy issues including Super. AN's legacy is that this deficiency in our system is fixed, meaning that tools like Dexter don't go through what Ansett, Compass, Kodak, Arnotts etc, etc, etc staff have already been through.
SEESA = Govt funds paid to AN staff - Good
AN Tax = Insurance to cover Govt losses for SEESA - Bad (for punters)
70% paid out = Pretty much all we'd get - Good (better than sweet FA)
Govt profit = Monies collected above & beyond SEESA - Bad (SEESA was well covered & tax should've been lifted earlier)
The excess collected as AN Tax should not be going to employees of AN. (Me) The Govt ensured our initial redundancy payments (SEESA) to hide the fact that there was woefully inadequate protection for workers in the event of redundancies. Also, it highlights how crooks like Murdoch can get away with anything.
My perfect result = Govt covers all loopholes in redundancy issues including Super. AN's legacy is that this deficiency in our system is fixed, meaning that tools like Dexter don't go through what Ansett, Compass, Kodak, Arnotts etc, etc, etc staff have already been through.
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Well, I don't think any deficiency has been fixed, with all due respect Buster, (being a Bombers supporter and all that!) and I'm not too sure that there was any deficiency to be fixed in the first place.
Any company going broke, for whatever reason, has a devastating affect on staff and shareholders. If it happens to be caused by mis-management or some one sticking their fingers in the till it hurts even more!
But, the bottom line is, it has happened before and will happen again and is no different than any other investment you might make in life!
Should we talk about HIH, Harris Scarfe, One Tel and many others where many people lost jobs and/or heaps of dough and received no Government support? Sure, I know our PM helped his brother Stan out a few years ago, and, many years ago, the Victorian state government imposed a fuel levee to assist the share holders of Farrows Pyramid Society, at taxpayers expense. That was wrong then as any support for Ansett, at taxpayers expense, is wrong now!
Lost money on a property investment or on the share market recently? Expect the Government to help cover your losses? Yeah, sure you do and so do I but,...in our dreams!!
Any company going broke, for whatever reason, has a devastating affect on staff and shareholders. If it happens to be caused by mis-management or some one sticking their fingers in the till it hurts even more!
But, the bottom line is, it has happened before and will happen again and is no different than any other investment you might make in life!
Should we talk about HIH, Harris Scarfe, One Tel and many others where many people lost jobs and/or heaps of dough and received no Government support? Sure, I know our PM helped his brother Stan out a few years ago, and, many years ago, the Victorian state government imposed a fuel levee to assist the share holders of Farrows Pyramid Society, at taxpayers expense. That was wrong then as any support for Ansett, at taxpayers expense, is wrong now!
Lost money on a property investment or on the share market recently? Expect the Government to help cover your losses? Yeah, sure you do and so do I but,...in our dreams!!