"THE" Callsign Spankers
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Overheard in LHR on the 23rd:
Read back for a push and start approval/clearance was:
"Face South, thankyou, push approved."
It sounded really slack inserting "Thankyou" instead of callsign, and the controller sounded peeved but let it go. And they say the poms are slack on the radio although this guy did have a district English-style accent but it was hard to place.... probably because he'd made it up himself. I think he picked it up off the radio because it faded as he made his way east.
Anyway back to the whinge, this shabby R/T procedure continued with "Thank you" instead of "Callsign" every time. GND fella finally had enough and demanded a proper readback.
So instead of just observing correct radio-telephony SOPs, this git suddenly became "THE" Qantas XXX in every transmission. "THE" Qantas XXX...Talk about cultural and professional cringe.
Whoever it was, he'd already sounded clueless with NO callsign but to then become "THE" Qantas XXX he really sounded like a complete and utter spanker.
Now tell me, anyone in Kwantarse, is it a QF thing??? Are they likely to realise what complete grippers they sounded like??? Would they care?
Serious Question: Is this what they teach or is it the result of years of self-delusion emerging unchecked in the LH seat??? The sad thing was it was obviously the FO making the initial calls on GND.
I thought Qantarse had high standards. I thought they did everything PERFECTLY according to the book. Now I'm not so sure they're all that "pro". This was the sort of performance you normally hear the shabby Euro LCCs giving.
Read back for a push and start approval/clearance was:
"Face South, thankyou, push approved."
It sounded really slack inserting "Thankyou" instead of callsign, and the controller sounded peeved but let it go. And they say the poms are slack on the radio although this guy did have a district English-style accent but it was hard to place.... probably because he'd made it up himself. I think he picked it up off the radio because it faded as he made his way east.
Anyway back to the whinge, this shabby R/T procedure continued with "Thank you" instead of "Callsign" every time. GND fella finally had enough and demanded a proper readback.
So instead of just observing correct radio-telephony SOPs, this git suddenly became "THE" Qantas XXX in every transmission. "THE" Qantas XXX...Talk about cultural and professional cringe.
Whoever it was, he'd already sounded clueless with NO callsign but to then become "THE" Qantas XXX he really sounded like a complete and utter spanker.
Now tell me, anyone in Kwantarse, is it a QF thing??? Are they likely to realise what complete grippers they sounded like??? Would they care?
Serious Question: Is this what they teach or is it the result of years of self-delusion emerging unchecked in the LH seat??? The sad thing was it was obviously the FO making the initial calls on GND.
I thought Qantarse had high standards. I thought they did everything PERFECTLY according to the book. Now I'm not so sure they're all that "pro". This was the sort of performance you normally hear the shabby Euro LCCs giving.
Now tell me, anyone in Kwantarse, is it a QF thing??? Are they likely to realise what complete grippers they sounded like??? Would they care?
Highly spankable indeed.
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Ah yes...
More drivel.
Good work son. A fine whinge it is too.
A bite? Maybe one or two...
Really though, I've seen better.
Better you crack that remote and get some free porn instead of wasting your time here.
Fool.
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Good work son. A fine whinge it is too.
A bite? Maybe one or two...
Really though, I've seen better.
Better you crack that remote and get some free porn instead of wasting your time here.
Fool.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Unprofessional r/t procedures
"GAF-o-mater " - is that like the Mother of all GAFs, Jerricho?
And if you look at the thing closely, it's fluctuating on the MAX side of giving one, indicating that Bloggsie is a bit stressed out by this stuff.
Back to topic...r/t procedures have become pretty unprofessional and non-standard with some operators trying to sound "cool", in recent times.
The Yanks lead the way in many areas....
"Checkin' in at three five ohhhh", or
"Out of 4 point three for one five ohhhh"
"THE Speed Bird"
"GAF-o-mater " - is that like the Mother of all GAFs, Jerricho?
And if you look at the thing closely, it's fluctuating on the MAX side of giving one, indicating that Bloggsie is a bit stressed out by this stuff.
Back to topic...r/t procedures have become pretty unprofessional and non-standard with some operators trying to sound "cool", in recent times.
The Yanks lead the way in many areas....
"Checkin' in at three five ohhhh", or
"Out of 4 point three for one five ohhhh"
"THE Speed Bird"
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Gee if you think QF are bad in controlled airspace you should hear them going into Class G and MBZ's!! Fair dinkum you'd think it was some bloke on his first solo!! QF are consistantly bad in this department.
Some of the worst radio work I have ever heard would have been a QF 737 going into Ayers Rock a while ago on a busy day and this clown in the 737 blocked both the Area and MBZ with an abortion of a radio call.
Something to the tune of.............
"Umm errr all stations in the Ayers Rock Area VXJ an RPT (he fair dinkum said that) Boeing 737 Jet inbound on the umm errr 155 Radial err um Bearing to no the bearing from the umm err Ayers Rock NDB ummm errr ............................... (5 sec pause) we are now 75 no 45 DME tracking for a right downwind....um errr..... runway 31 um err no runway 13." Then went over the MBZ and proceeded to block that frequency as well. Guys then attempted to call for seperation by he wouldn't answer!!
Have heard similar debacles in Broome.
Some of the worst radio work I have ever heard would have been a QF 737 going into Ayers Rock a while ago on a busy day and this clown in the 737 blocked both the Area and MBZ with an abortion of a radio call.
Something to the tune of.............
"Umm errr all stations in the Ayers Rock Area VXJ an RPT (he fair dinkum said that) Boeing 737 Jet inbound on the umm errr 155 Radial err um Bearing to no the bearing from the umm err Ayers Rock NDB ummm errr ............................... (5 sec pause) we are now 75 no 45 DME tracking for a right downwind....um errr..... runway 31 um err no runway 13." Then went over the MBZ and proceeded to block that frequency as well. Guys then attempted to call for seperation by he wouldn't answer!!
Have heard similar debacles in Broome.
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Give ém a break Scud, It's easy for you to be the master of your domain when you're doing the same thing every day but these guys have to maintain familiarity with lots of places and lots of airspace. Im sure if you asked most 737 crews in Australia, going into Class G is something they dont get to do very often.
Mr Buzzy sorry that doesn't really rate as an excuse does it!
How many engine fires do they deal with each month but we still expect them to be able to handle one when it happens!
That is what simulators and ground school is for! As for saying that the RPT guys have a hard time flying in to all sorts of different airspace, sheesh, give me a break. Your typical hard working GA charter pilot regularly flys in C, G, D and GAAP airspace. How on earth do they manage.
Has anyone noticed the trend of some plonkers to change the tense of their call eg "Bugsmasher Delta Oscar Golf joins downwind runway 27..." or " Deathtrap Papah India Golf enters and backtracks runway three zero..."
How many engine fires do they deal with each month but we still expect them to be able to handle one when it happens!
That is what simulators and ground school is for! As for saying that the RPT guys have a hard time flying in to all sorts of different airspace, sheesh, give me a break. Your typical hard working GA charter pilot regularly flys in C, G, D and GAAP airspace. How on earth do they manage.
Has anyone noticed the trend of some plonkers to change the tense of their call eg "Bugsmasher Delta Oscar Golf joins downwind runway 27..." or " Deathtrap Papah India Golf enters and backtracks runway three zero..."
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yyyyup...
Anyway the 737 jocks in Aust tend to have their act together. It's the guys who go abroad I'm worried about. The further they go the worse their habits get.
Ibex was that you in LHR working your RT hand? Sorry to offend but if it wasn't shameful you wouldn't be so worked up. Not my fault this guy thinks he's in BA with the lords.
So the "THE" compulsion comes from BA, hey? Why doesn't that surprise me. Maybe they should base -400 pilots in LHR along with the hosties as this will allow them to fully insert the plum in mouths and cultivate their pommy roots.
You could almost see the SOs' eyes rolling back in their skulls as they listened to that ****. After years of expoure, though, they will become one themselves and the cycle will continue.
Anyway the 737 jocks in Aust tend to have their act together. It's the guys who go abroad I'm worried about. The further they go the worse their habits get.
Ibex was that you in LHR working your RT hand? Sorry to offend but if it wasn't shameful you wouldn't be so worked up. Not my fault this guy thinks he's in BA with the lords.
So the "THE" compulsion comes from BA, hey? Why doesn't that surprise me. Maybe they should base -400 pilots in LHR along with the hosties as this will allow them to fully insert the plum in mouths and cultivate their pommy roots.
You could almost see the SOs' eyes rolling back in their skulls as they listened to that ****. After years of expoure, though, they will become one themselves and the cycle will continue.
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How many engine fires do they deal with each month but we still expect them to be able to handle one when it happens!
Your typical hard working GA charter pilot regularly flys in C, G, D and GAAP airspace. How on earth do they manage.
Anyways this is yet another something/nothing discussion.
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Flyingins mate, ROFLAOM! What am I to say? Do I say g'day mate"? or what? Not that I mind of course.
I'm worried that you say I should shut up. If I am stupefyingly wrong, then I will shut up. Please tell me when this occurs (which is pretty regular). Otherwise please tell me when I am right but stilll should shut up.
Personally, absent the weather on Wednesday, I would have thought a cheery "g'day" is OK at least honoring the role ATC play in keeping us from sharing alumininium.
Anyway, God bless ATC. What an unforgiving job.
I'm worried that you say I should shut up. If I am stupefyingly wrong, then I will shut up. Please tell me when this occurs (which is pretty regular). Otherwise please tell me when I am right but stilll should shut up.
Personally, absent the weather on Wednesday, I would have thought a cheery "g'day" is OK at least honoring the role ATC play in keeping us from sharing alumininium.
Anyway, God bless ATC. What an unforgiving job.
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The fact that they don't fly in class G often doesn't rate as an excuse. I don't fly into big city airports often but when I do I make sure that I do my homework and am prepared. SO far I haven't managed to make a fool of myself.
My point is that QF radio work is consistantly bad in Class G ops which is where I do alot of my flying. The funny thing is that it isn't too hard to get it right. All you need is a distance; bearing altitude; ETA and intentions. It takes about 10 secs. Write it down if you have to ( i used to!) but when guys are fanging around at high speed I don't think that you can afford to bugger up the RT's as that is what we are relying on for seperation.
The fact that they don't fly in class G often doesn't rate as an excuse. I don't fly into big city airports often but when I do I make sure that I do my homework and am prepared. SO far I haven't managed to make a fool of myself.
My point is that QF radio work is consistantly bad in Class G ops which is where I do alot of my flying. The funny thing is that it isn't too hard to get it right. All you need is a distance; bearing altitude; ETA and intentions. It takes about 10 secs. Write it down if you have to ( i used to!) but when guys are fanging around at high speed I don't think that you can afford to bugger up the RT's as that is what we are relying on for seperation.