Jetstar Pilots to Join AIPA
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Hmmm. Mulder. Still trying to solve mysteries?
Well, I have no idea who the other two are, and for all I know they may be one in the same. But they sure as sh1t arent me. Theres only one quim. Thank God. And I've never been on the Com, and I've never resigned. There, that narrows it down to maybe 2000 pilots for you, doesn't it!
But I would like to know who YOU are Mulder. You talk BIG, but you are here on pprune, hiding behind the same veil. That makes you a very similar animal, although one who is prone to hypocrisy.
Now, we all know why this discussion happens here. Honesty on Qrewroom, will cost you your career if you happen to be 'too honest'.
It just aint worth putting one's neck on the line for guys like you, Mulder. And the other 1000 or so Qantas pilots who are too apathetic to give a toss.
So Mulder? What exactly are YOU doing to help pilots, and what exactly do you see that has been positive from AIPA reecently?
Well, I have no idea who the other two are, and for all I know they may be one in the same. But they sure as sh1t arent me. Theres only one quim. Thank God. And I've never been on the Com, and I've never resigned. There, that narrows it down to maybe 2000 pilots for you, doesn't it!
But I would like to know who YOU are Mulder. You talk BIG, but you are here on pprune, hiding behind the same veil. That makes you a very similar animal, although one who is prone to hypocrisy.
Now, we all know why this discussion happens here. Honesty on Qrewroom, will cost you your career if you happen to be 'too honest'.
It just aint worth putting one's neck on the line for guys like you, Mulder. And the other 1000 or so Qantas pilots who are too apathetic to give a toss.
So Mulder? What exactly are YOU doing to help pilots, and what exactly do you see that has been positive from AIPA reecently?
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Quim et.al.,
You ask what I am doing?
Tell me. Do you consider your ranting and raving on this anonymous forum to somehow be helping pilots? All you do, in my opinion, is make us look like a mob a whinging spoilt brats!
You have never offered a solution, in any of your personas, just whinge whinge, woe is me.
Why are you scared of Qrewroom?
You, like many others, want to say whatever you want. The problem I see is that you don't want to be responsible or accountable for what comes out of your mouth.
Your career wouldn't be threatened by writing on Qrewroom, your career might be threatened if you are considered by your peers to be irrational, irresponsible and a liar. These personality traits shouldn't exist in any professional.
Leaders don't hide behind anonymity, they inspire others and lead. Moaning on this website does not inspire others to join in your cause (which to me looks like a sewing club of whingers). That's because you don't have the answers, just the perceived problems.
Unless you are prepared to stand up and be counted by volunteering to change things, you have no credibility.
You ask what I am doing?
Tell me. Do you consider your ranting and raving on this anonymous forum to somehow be helping pilots? All you do, in my opinion, is make us look like a mob a whinging spoilt brats!
You have never offered a solution, in any of your personas, just whinge whinge, woe is me.
Why are you scared of Qrewroom?
You, like many others, want to say whatever you want. The problem I see is that you don't want to be responsible or accountable for what comes out of your mouth.
Your career wouldn't be threatened by writing on Qrewroom, your career might be threatened if you are considered by your peers to be irrational, irresponsible and a liar. These personality traits shouldn't exist in any professional.
Leaders don't hide behind anonymity, they inspire others and lead. Moaning on this website does not inspire others to join in your cause (which to me looks like a sewing club of whingers). That's because you don't have the answers, just the perceived problems.
Unless you are prepared to stand up and be counted by volunteering to change things, you have no credibility.
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What will they get?
What will they get?
Not much guys.
Just industrial representation so that their EBAs may actually give them something that they want.
Just legal assistance so if the worst happens to their operation they might not go to jail.
Just loss of licence insurance so that they have some certainty about being able to pay their bills.
Just some assurance that cost driven managements won't be able to shop around to find other cheap pilots to undercut their careers.
Not much really.
Not much guys.
Just industrial representation so that their EBAs may actually give them something that they want.
Just legal assistance so if the worst happens to their operation they might not go to jail.
Just loss of licence insurance so that they have some certainty about being able to pay their bills.
Just some assurance that cost driven managements won't be able to shop around to find other cheap pilots to undercut their careers.
Not much really.
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No more loss of licence through AIPA. It is arranged through an outside company.
Also legal assistance varies. If its a squabble amongst guys within AIPA, AIPA will only supprt the first guy who fronts them.
Also legal assistance varies. If its a squabble amongst guys within AIPA, AIPA will only supprt the first guy who fronts them.
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And your
doesn't stand up to recent history.
You are right...not much really...just about sums AIPA up.
assurance that cost driven managements won't be able to shop around to find other cheap pilots to undercut their careers
You are right...not much really...just about sums AIPA up.
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JABAROO
FOR THE JETSTAR PILOT FRATERNITY TO JOIN AIPA WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL SUICIDE,EVERY TIME AIPA HAD ANY INDUSTRIAL ACTION THEY WOULD BE DRAGGED INTO THE FRAY.SHOULD IT COME TO THE INTEREST OF THE JETSTAR PILOTS AND QF PILOTS SELF INTEREST OF QF PILOTS WILL PREVAIL.YOU WOULD BE A MINORITY AND TREATED AS SUCH,SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS CONSULT THE PREVIOUS AUSTRALIAN AIRLINE PILOT GROUP.I SEE IT AS PLOY TO GET CONTROL OF JETSTAR PILOTS FOR THE AIPA SELF INTEREST. JETSTAR PILOTS BE WARNED DON'T SURRENDER YOUR POSITION FOR PIE IN THE SKY.
FOR THE JETSTAR PILOT FRATERNITY TO JOIN AIPA WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL SUICIDE,EVERY TIME AIPA HAD ANY INDUSTRIAL ACTION THEY WOULD BE DRAGGED INTO THE FRAY.SHOULD IT COME TO THE INTEREST OF THE JETSTAR PILOTS AND QF PILOTS SELF INTEREST OF QF PILOTS WILL PREVAIL.YOU WOULD BE A MINORITY AND TREATED AS SUCH,SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS CONSULT THE PREVIOUS AUSTRALIAN AIRLINE PILOT GROUP.I SEE IT AS PLOY TO GET CONTROL OF JETSTAR PILOTS FOR THE AIPA SELF INTEREST. JETSTAR PILOTS BE WARNED DON'T SURRENDER YOUR POSITION FOR PIE IN THE SKY.
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Seconded bigles
The good folk at Jetstar should think very carefully about this proposal.
Find out just why the AIPA was formed in the first place.
The old Leopards and their spots saying kind of comes to mind.
Cheers.
The good folk at Jetstar should think very carefully about this proposal.
Find out just why the AIPA was formed in the first place.
The old Leopards and their spots saying kind of comes to mind.
Cheers.
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Don't worry Keg,
It's just AFAP stooges representing their members by writing on pprune. If they spent the same amount of time actually looking after the people they take money from they wouldn't be in such a mess.
All Qantas Pilots in the QANTAS PILOTS UNION!
It's just AFAP stooges representing their members by writing on pprune. If they spent the same amount of time actually looking after the people they take money from they wouldn't be in such a mess.
All Qantas Pilots in the QANTAS PILOTS UNION!
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Spot on bigles!!
An AIPA tie up would only serve to limit opportunities available to Jetstar pilots within a rapidly expanding organization. AIPA knows this all too well and when push comes to shove 10% won’t cut it guys.
An AIPA tie up would only serve to limit opportunities available to Jetstar pilots within a rapidly expanding organization. AIPA knows this all too well and when push comes to shove 10% won’t cut it guys.
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I like the bit in that post about "every time AIPA takes industrial action... blah blah blah.." Since when does AIPA take industrial action?
They didn't on Jitconnict.
They didn't on Jetstar
They haven't for almost 40 years now...
I would like to think they would do it if some of the senior guys interests were threatened like getting outside pilots to fly the A380 etc but having a look at the track record.... I actually have my doubts.
They didn't on Jitconnict.
They didn't on Jetstar
They haven't for almost 40 years now...
I would like to think they would do it if some of the senior guys interests were threatened like getting outside pilots to fly the A380 etc but having a look at the track record.... I actually have my doubts.
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....and ever since "then", the brainwashing and indoctrination of all "newbies" into QF and throughout their career remains the same.
The philosophical "spots" haven't changed. Not a criticism as such its just that the AIPA dances to a different tune, with a different agenda.
The AIPA was set up out of arrogant self interest, turning its back on all other Australian pilots ever since. This Jetstar proposal is just more of the same.
Its so transparent its almost ludicrous.
Gosh even the QF shorthaul crews can't stand the AIPA, but unfortunately they have no choice....Jetstar crews still do so exercise that choice wisely.
The philosophical "spots" haven't changed. Not a criticism as such its just that the AIPA dances to a different tune, with a different agenda.
The AIPA was set up out of arrogant self interest, turning its back on all other Australian pilots ever since. This Jetstar proposal is just more of the same.
Its so transparent its almost ludicrous.
Gosh even the QF shorthaul crews can't stand the AIPA, but unfortunately they have no choice....Jetstar crews still do so exercise that choice wisely.
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Radnav, You are an idi... no, we can't say that these days can we.
Radnav, I disagree with what you just said.
Anyone has a choice these days, including QF shorthaul pilots. Some of them aren't members of any union. One such lad, actually joined AIPA for the duration of his Airbus conversion, must have been something to do with all the Airbus conversion failures from shorthaul ranks, and then promptly resigned again once he passed the course.
He is probably one of the people who are currently threatening legal action over the move of the A330 from shorthaul rostering to longhaul rostering.
That is by-the-by. I am glad that AIPA split from the AFAP all those years ago. It probably saved me from having to leave the country in 89. You can snipe from the sidelines all you like with you ideological BS, but nothing will change that fact.
Radnav, I disagree with what you just said.
Anyone has a choice these days, including QF shorthaul pilots. Some of them aren't members of any union. One such lad, actually joined AIPA for the duration of his Airbus conversion, must have been something to do with all the Airbus conversion failures from shorthaul ranks, and then promptly resigned again once he passed the course.
He is probably one of the people who are currently threatening legal action over the move of the A330 from shorthaul rostering to longhaul rostering.
That is by-the-by. I am glad that AIPA split from the AFAP all those years ago. It probably saved me from having to leave the country in 89. You can snipe from the sidelines all you like with you ideological BS, but nothing will change that fact.
