NAS Wind Back Problems
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NAS Wind Back Problems
It appears that CASA has told the Minister that the NAS wind back education material is both misleading and too late. It also appears that AA had no intention of complying with the Minster’s approach radar directive for Class C – they were counting on Ferguson getting in and reversing the directive.
The wind back message is obviously not getting out as most believe it won’t happen – which in itself is creating a safety problem. I understand that only three instructors turned up at the instructor wind back forum in Sydney when over 100 were expected – very embarrassing for Airservices.
Does anyone know what is happening?
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The wind back message is obviously not getting out as most believe it won’t happen – which in itself is creating a safety problem. I understand that only three instructors turned up at the instructor wind back forum in Sydney when over 100 were expected – very embarrassing for Airservices.
Does anyone know what is happening?
hermeias
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It appears that CASA has told the Minister that the NAS wind back education material is both misleading and too late.
It also appears that AA had no intention of complying with the Minster’s approach radar directive for Class C – they were counting on Ferguson getting in and reversing the directive.
I heard the exact opposite.
I was told that the radar was going ahead, regardless of who won the election.
I also heard that where the minister directs airservices to expend monies over and above the normal, it becomes a commonwealth funding problem not an airservices problem.
So big John has made the direction, he pays!
I was told that the radar was going ahead, regardless of who won the election.
I also heard that where the minister directs airservices to expend monies over and above the normal, it becomes a commonwealth funding problem not an airservices problem.
So big John has made the direction, he pays!
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The election result was never going to change the NAS enhancement (still not a rollback guys). AsA is still proceeding with it up til I was last on shift (yesterday).
JA's direction had the caveat of when able to be complied with. So as far as AsA is concerned, it will still comply with the direction as soon as practicable. Remember it would be a large expensive project that would take years to implement.
Election result never ever was a consideration for AsA management.
JA's direction had the caveat of when able to be complied with. So as far as AsA is concerned, it will still comply with the direction as soon as practicable. Remember it would be a large expensive project that would take years to implement.
Election result never ever was a consideration for AsA management.
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I understand that only three instructors turned up at the instructor wind back forum in Sydney when over 100 were expected – very embarrassing for Airservices.
If the forum was reasonably well advertised, then such a turnout simply reflects the apathy amongst the targeted participants.
A few years ago Airservices facilitated a forum at Bankstown to discuss all manner of concerns raised by the local operators. In spite of direct advice to those known to have an interest in the outcomes, NOT ONE pilot/operator/resident showed up.
You can't educate those who won't make the effort to be educated..
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Yeah DHD and DP have the goods.
From the Labor Aviation policy document.
On 30 August 2004, John Anderson issued two Directions to Airservices
Australia. One requires Airservices Australia to establish and operate radar at
a number of additional airports. The cost of the establishment of these radar is
estimated to be $150 million.
Section 16 of the Air Services Act states that costs incurred by Airservices
Australia, if greater than would otherwise have been incurred as a result of
Directions from the Minister, must be paid for by the Commonwealth.
Australia. One requires Airservices Australia to establish and operate radar at
a number of additional airports. The cost of the establishment of these radar is
estimated to be $150 million.
Section 16 of the Air Services Act states that costs incurred by Airservices
Australia, if greater than would otherwise have been incurred as a result of
Directions from the Minister, must be paid for by the Commonwealth.
From the Labor Aviation policy document.
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I've heard the pilot T+E described as "incomprehensible cr@p", but it looked reasonable to me. Better than the US CTAF cr@p I saw, let alone the S2B cr@p.
"Change fatigue" seems endemic, and hardly encouraging when you consider the minute amount of the list of not-yet-scheduled that has even been attemped yet.
I saw a deluge of phone calls in the week prior to implementation last year, don't see why anybody will take this change seriously before then.
If all the pilots out there are raging and foaming about the 25NOV04 changes (like Dick and the AOPA Dick-ettes seem to feel) they would have used this forum as an opportunity to bite ASA people on the neck. They didn't, THEY DON'T GIVE A RAT'S @RSE THEN
The direction said "soon as possible" 25NOV is not possible goose-boy.
"Change fatigue" seems endemic, and hardly encouraging when you consider the minute amount of the list of not-yet-scheduled that has even been attemped yet.
I saw a deluge of phone calls in the week prior to implementation last year, don't see why anybody will take this change seriously before then.
I understand that only three instructors turned up at the instructor wind back forum in Sydney when over 100 were expected
It also appears that AA had no intention of complying with the Minster’s approach radar directive for Class C
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5miles and especially karrank who wrote "If all the pilots out there are raging and foaming about the 25NOV04 changes (like Dick and the AOPA Dick-ettes seem to feel) they would have used this forum as an opportunity to bite ASA people on the neck. They didn't, THEY DON'T GIVE A RAT'S @RSE THEN "
I do give a rat's arse.
I check my e mail every day. At 10.00pm when I checked I received an e mail telling me that the Sydney meeting was on THAT DAY. I suppose I have to go to Brisbane or Melbourne to attend?
Perhaps someone is only going through the motion of advertising them. Or perhaps they only know in the morning what they do that day.
Has anyone been advised by other means?
I do give a rat's arse.
I check my e mail every day. At 10.00pm when I checked I received an e mail telling me that the Sydney meeting was on THAT DAY. I suppose I have to go to Brisbane or Melbourne to attend?
Perhaps someone is only going through the motion of advertising them. Or perhaps they only know in the morning what they do that day.
Has anyone been advised by other means?
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http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...uctorforum.asp
Remaining forums for instructors: General pilot forums to follow...
Parafield 12th October 2004 , 1800L
Parafield Flying Club, Lockheed Lane , Parafield Airport
Hobart 12th October 2004 , 1800L
Aero Club of Southern Tasmania , Cambridge Aerodrome, Rosny Park
Jandakot 13th October 2004 , 1800L
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia , 41 Eagle Drive , Jandakot
Canberra 13th October 2004 , 1800L
Canberra Aero Club, Unit 3 Widgeon offices Walker St , Canberra Airport
Darwin 14th October 2004 , 1800L
Airport Management Centre, 1 Fenton Court , Marrara.
Maroochydore 14th October 2004 , 1800L
Maroochydore Aero Club, Maroochy Airport , Mudjimba
Remaining forums for instructors: General pilot forums to follow...
Parafield 12th October 2004 , 1800L
Parafield Flying Club, Lockheed Lane , Parafield Airport
Hobart 12th October 2004 , 1800L
Aero Club of Southern Tasmania , Cambridge Aerodrome, Rosny Park
Jandakot 13th October 2004 , 1800L
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia , 41 Eagle Drive , Jandakot
Canberra 13th October 2004 , 1800L
Canberra Aero Club, Unit 3 Widgeon offices Walker St , Canberra Airport
Darwin 14th October 2004 , 1800L
Airport Management Centre, 1 Fenton Court , Marrara.
Maroochydore 14th October 2004 , 1800L
Maroochydore Aero Club, Maroochy Airport , Mudjimba
So we have to wait until OCT28 for mappacks and the like. I hope I am getting a 12 month extension to my AIP subscription
Wouldn't it be great come NOV12 it all gets scuttled
...again!
Mark
Wouldn't it be great come NOV12 it all gets scuttled
...again!Mark
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Pinched off the Airservices web site...
Albury 3 rd Nov 1830 Albury & District Aero Club, Borella Rd. Albury Airport
Coffs Harbour 3 rd Nov 1830 Coffs Harbour & District Aero Club, 15 Aviation Drive, Coffs Harbour
Gold Coast 3 rd Nov 1830 Calypso Plaza , 97 Griffith St, Coolangatta
Sydney/Bankstown 4 th Nov 1800 / 2000 Bankstown Rydges - Cnr Hume Highway & Strickland Street Bass Hill
Cairns 5 th Nov 1830 Sheridan Plaza, 295 Sheridan St, North Cairns
Rockhampton 9 th Nov 1830 Rockhampton Aero Club, Canoona Road , Rockhampton
Launceston 9 th Nov 1830 Tasmanian Aero Club, Launceston Airport, Evandale
Adelaide/Parafield 9 th Nov 1830 Hilton Adelaide 233 Victoria Square, Adelaide,
Hobart 10 th Nov 1830 Hotel Grand Chancellor 1 Davey Street Hobart
Mackay 10 th Nov 1830 Mackay Aero Club, Casey Avenue, Mackay
Darwin 10 th Nov 1830 Crowne Plaza 32 Mitchell Street Darwin
Perth/Jandakot 11 th Nov 1830 Parmelia Hilton 14 Mill Street, Perth
Brisbane 15 Nov 1830 Brisbane Marriott 515 Queen Street Brisbane
Tamworth 16 th Nov 1830 BAE Systems Flight Training Australia, Tamworth Airport
Maroochydore 17 th Nov 1830 Maroochydore Aero Club, Maroochy Airport Mudjimba
Melbourne/Moorabbin/Essendon 17 th Nov 1830 Novotel St Kilda 16 The Esplanade, St Kilda
Townsville 18 th Nov 1830 Townsville Aero Club, Discount Drive, Garbutt
Canberra 22 nd Nov 1830 2 Brindabella Circuit, Canberra Airport
Alice Springs 23 rd Nov 1830 Alice Springs Aero Club, Davis Drive, Alice Springs Airport
Thank you for that I have posted the information and stickied the link separately. Pity about the rain today and I'm sure you will find your silken touch soon.
Albury 3 rd Nov 1830 Albury & District Aero Club, Borella Rd. Albury Airport
Coffs Harbour 3 rd Nov 1830 Coffs Harbour & District Aero Club, 15 Aviation Drive, Coffs Harbour
Gold Coast 3 rd Nov 1830 Calypso Plaza , 97 Griffith St, Coolangatta
Sydney/Bankstown 4 th Nov 1800 / 2000 Bankstown Rydges - Cnr Hume Highway & Strickland Street Bass Hill
Cairns 5 th Nov 1830 Sheridan Plaza, 295 Sheridan St, North Cairns
Rockhampton 9 th Nov 1830 Rockhampton Aero Club, Canoona Road , Rockhampton
Launceston 9 th Nov 1830 Tasmanian Aero Club, Launceston Airport, Evandale
Adelaide/Parafield 9 th Nov 1830 Hilton Adelaide 233 Victoria Square, Adelaide,
Hobart 10 th Nov 1830 Hotel Grand Chancellor 1 Davey Street Hobart
Mackay 10 th Nov 1830 Mackay Aero Club, Casey Avenue, Mackay
Darwin 10 th Nov 1830 Crowne Plaza 32 Mitchell Street Darwin
Perth/Jandakot 11 th Nov 1830 Parmelia Hilton 14 Mill Street, Perth
Brisbane 15 Nov 1830 Brisbane Marriott 515 Queen Street Brisbane
Tamworth 16 th Nov 1830 BAE Systems Flight Training Australia, Tamworth Airport
Maroochydore 17 th Nov 1830 Maroochydore Aero Club, Maroochy Airport Mudjimba
Melbourne/Moorabbin/Essendon 17 th Nov 1830 Novotel St Kilda 16 The Esplanade, St Kilda
Townsville 18 th Nov 1830 Townsville Aero Club, Discount Drive, Garbutt
Canberra 22 nd Nov 1830 2 Brindabella Circuit, Canberra Airport
Alice Springs 23 rd Nov 1830 Alice Springs Aero Club, Davis Drive, Alice Springs Airport
Thank you for that I have posted the information and stickied the link separately. Pity about the rain today and I'm sure you will find your silken touch soon.
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I just wish our 'friends' in AOPA would start to act with some responsibility. It is only when they do will there be any chance of it gaining the respectibility it had ten years ago.
(There is a message there, but I don't think they see it somehow)
At a time when GA need AOPA more than any time in history it is again dominated by ego's that have achieved nothing since the last election and furthermore can't see the damage they are doing not only to AOPA but to the industry they profess to serve.
No wonder the membership is still falling!
Tragic
(There is a message there, but I don't think they see it somehow)
At a time when GA need AOPA more than any time in history it is again dominated by ego's that have achieved nothing since the last election and furthermore can't see the damage they are doing not only to AOPA but to the industry they profess to serve.
No wonder the membership is still falling!
Tragic
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But on this post I violently disagree with you.
There are some 'old school' types out there who have past their use by date. They try to dominate the debate and then go 'anti-AOPA' when thy don't get their (minority view) way.
Look on the AOPA web site. They have achieved heaps for a voluteer mob despite the constant niggling from the 'old detractors'
There are some 'old school' types out there who have past their use by date. They try to dominate the debate and then go 'anti-AOPA' when thy don't get their (minority view) way.
Look on the AOPA web site. They have achieved heaps for a voluteer mob despite the constant niggling from the 'old detractors'
